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Just now, Ultra Max Power said:

I think this causes too big of a headache for the company.  When I first started at my current job there was a policy to live within 45 minutes of the base due to recall timelines.  It was slowly complained about enough that they finally dropped it. 

If employees start demanding companies pay for their commutes, companies are going to dictate commuting restrictions. 

Orrrr allow people who CAN be remote TO be remote. I am a recruiter. I have literally no need to be in an office. Ever. I can get my job done sitting on my pontoon. What would ever make me want to go back to wasting 15 hours a week if I did not have to. A lot of jobs are like this. A lot of jobs can be done at home. 

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1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

I think part of finding a job is about location. If you are new in a field and are trying to establish yourself, pay your dues. Move closer or suck it up. You haven't earned anything yet. Once you establish yourself as a leader, a technical guru, a stellar salesman, etc...then you can demand the "cater to me" approach. Until then, screw it.

Oh for sure. I worked onsite for years and paid my dues. I drove the racetrack that is I94 daily and seen some crazy shitt. At a certain point I just got tired of the commute and started to look for remote jobs. I could not be happier. That being said I really believe that if you are forced to come into the office the company should offer something to offset that. Lunch, gas cards, a bonus at the end of the quarter for coming in. Things that show a company understands that you are commuting to the job and it costs both time and money for you. 

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Just now, kilroy69 said:

Orrrr allow people who CAN be remote TO be remote. I am a recruiter. I have literally no need to be in an office. Ever. I can get my job done sitting on my pontoon. What would ever make me want to go back to wasting 15 hours a week if I did not have to. A lot of jobs are like this. A lot of jobs can be done at home. 

I have done weekly travel for more than 14 years to other states and I have done local and remote work all in the same company as a consultant. There are companies that want your presence on the client site. 

There are tons of jobs that need you in person. 

It's up to the company and their wants for how they run things. If you don't like, go get a job somewhere else. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

I have done weekly travel for more than 14 years to other states and I have done local and remote work all in the same company as a consultant. There are companies that want your presence on the client site. 

There are tons of jobs that need you in person. 

It's up to the company and their wants for how they run things. If you don't like, go get a job somewhere else. 

Fock that noise. My dad spent 2 and a half hours a day on the road for 35 years. that is like 23k hours not getting paid. Hard, hard, hard pass. 

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9 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Oh for sure. I worked onsite for years and paid my dues. I drove the racetrack that is I94 daily and seen some crazy shitt. At a certain point I just got tired of the commute and started to look for remote jobs. I could not be happier. That being said I really believe that if you are forced to come into the office the company should offer something to offset that. Lunch, gas cards, a bonus at the end of the quarter for coming in. Things that show a company understands that you are commuting to the job and it costs both time and money for you. 

I don't know. I guess owners, CEOs, investors could come back and say well, we set up the business, take on a lot of liability, bought/rent the property, manage the human resources, etc, to provide you with a way to support your family and make a living, so that way more offsets your 20 minute commute and the couple bucks you spend on gas. 

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4 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Fock that noise. My dad spent 2 and a half hours a day on the road for 35 years. that is like 23k hours not getting paid. Hard, hard, hard pass. 

Sounds like he should have moved closer to work. I would have. 

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Just now, seafoam1 said:

I don't know. I guess owners, CEOs, investors could come back and say well, we set up the business, take on a lot if liability, bought/rent the property, manage the human resources, etc, to provide you with a way to support your family and make a living, so that way more offsets your 20 minute commute and the couple bucks you spend on gas. 

Oh I hear ya. I would just hard pass on any company that did so and I think a lot of the younger generation feels the same. It is not the 9 to 5. It is the 730 to 630 that gets them. 

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5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Sounds like he should have moved closer to work. I would have. 

Not a chance man. He worked for GM in the DET. We lived/live in a quiet community that has almost no crime to speak of. Like mayberry RFD. One cop.  Great schools, great community. I have been around the US and came back here to settle down. It is one of the safest places I can image to raise kids. 

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Certainly the messenger is annoying, but I think it’s fair to ask whether the 40 hour work week is necessary any longer.

With so many increases to efficiency and productivity why do we still need it?

And if we do still need it, then what’s this all for? Technology, AI, work from home, etc etc, what good is any of it if there’s no corresponding reduction in the work grind?

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3 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Not a chance man. He worked for GM in the DET. We lived/live in a quiet community that has almost no crime to speak of. Like mayberry RFD. Great schools, great community. I have been around the US and came back here to settle down. 

Nice. I traveled 600 miles in each direction every week to do consulting work with DTE. 48 weeks a year for about 3.5 years. 

Detroit is surreal. I've never been in a city (downtown) that big that is so quiet even at 9am on a weekday.  

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15 hours ago, jerryskids said:

She is beginning to realize that she needs an alpha male to take care of her.  For such a guy she would do anything.  And I mean anything.  :thumbsup: 

Man this is cringey, Jerry :( 

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7 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Certainly the messenger is annoying, but I think it’s fair to ask whether the 40 hour work week is necessary any longer.

With so many increases to efficiency and productivity why do we still need it?

And if we do still need it, then what’s this all for? Technology, AI, work from home, etc etc, what good is any of it if there’s no corresponding reduction in the work grind?

So do people simply want to be paid for 40 hours of work for 25 hours of actual work? Or do they just want a part time job? They need to make up their minds.

The costs of all the progress you mention needs to come into play. Technology is not cheap. It costs more.

 

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1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

So do people simply want to be paid for 40 hours of work for 25 hours of actual work? Or do they just want a part time job? They need to make up their minds.

The costs of all the progress you mention meed to come into play. Technology is not cheap. It costs more.

 

They want to be paid for a full time job. If a full time job can now be done in 32 hours, then that’s what they should be paid for.

I mean there was a time you had to work weekends too. Maybe you got Christmas and Easter off. Did we all accept a 30% pay cut when they invented the weekend? :wacko:

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33 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Orrrr allow people who CAN be remote TO be remote. I am a recruiter. I have literally no need to be in an office. Ever. I can get my job done sitting on my pontoon. What would ever make me want to go back to wasting 15 hours a week if I did not have to. A lot of jobs are like this. A lot of jobs can be done at home. 

If you can work remotely and a company is still forcing you to come in, it may be time to look for a new position.  If no one is willing to come into work the company will adjust.  If they find someone to fill that opening it's the nature of the business.

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

So do people simply want to be paid for 40 hours of work for 25 hours of actual work? Or do they just want a part time job? They need to make up their minds.

The costs of all the progress you mention needs to come into play. Technology is not cheap. It costs more.

 

 

From what I see of people accumulating 10's of thousands of posts per year on the forums over the last 20 years. It seems that many geeks get paid for 40 hours but put in less than 20.

 

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Just now, IGotWorms said:

They want to be paid for a full time job. If a full time job can now be done in 32 hours, then that’s what they should be paid for.

I mean there was a time you had to work weekends too. Maybe you got Christmas and Easter off. Did we all accept a 30% pay cut when they invented the weekend? :wacko:

What's with pay cuts? It's either you get paid salary, which means someone values you for that much, or you get paid hourly and that's self explanitory. Why are you saying someone should get 40 hours of pay for 32 hours of effort?

 

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3 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

From what I see of people accumulating 10's of thousands of posts per year on the forums over the last 20 years. It seems that many geeks get paid for 40 hours but put in less than 20.

 

17,890 :thumbsup: Nice work by you.

And in consulting at my last company, they paid for results. Not hours. If it takes an hour, it took an hour. If it takes 60 hours in a week, it took 60 hours. Same pay. 

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11 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Certainly the messenger is annoying, but I think it’s fair to ask whether the 40 hour work week is necessary any longer.

With so many increases to efficiency and productivity why do we still need it?

And if we do still need it, then what’s this all for? Technology, AI, work from home, etc etc, what good is any of it if there’s no corresponding reduction in the work grind?

I think the theory is that you make more money when the business improves.  It's not the case everywhere, but as someone who works hiring actions I'm confident when I say that if you give the employee a choice of taking more time off or getting a pay increase as a reward, the pay increase is the clear winner.  

I think the generation wants to work less and get paid the same and that just isn't a reality for a lot of companies.   

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7 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

17,890 :thumbsup: Nice work by you.

And in consulting at my last company, they paid for results. Not hours. If it takes an hour, it took an hour. If it takes 60 hours in a week, it took 60 hours. Same pay. 

 

I also have 2,000 on FBG, ~5,000 on the defunct fflivewire,  500 on thehulltruth, 500 on arstechnica, and 200 on a local fishing site.

 

I am here today when I should be working, because I do not need 40 hours a week to do my job yet my employer makes me work those hours. I am looking forward to the day when we work 9 80's or 32 hours a week. Hopefully it becomes the standard before I retire.

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10 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

What's with pay cuts? It's either you get paid salary, which means someone values you for that much, or you get paid hourly and that's self explanitory. Why are you saying someone should get 40 hours of pay for 32 hours of effort?

 

Whoosh

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10 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I think the theory is that you make more money when the business improves.  It's not the case everywhere, but as someone who works hiring actions I'm confident when I say that if you give the employee a choice of taking more time off or getting a pay increase as a reward, the pay increase is the clear winner.  

I think the generation wants to work less and get paid the same and that just isn't a reality for a lot of companies.   

Was it a reality for a lot of companies when people worked seven days a week down in the coal mines, getting black lung if they were lucky enough not to get killed earlier in a mine cave-in?

Times change, and thank goodness for that!

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13 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

I think the theory is that you make more money when the business improves.  It's not the case everywhere, but as someone who works hiring actions I'm confident when I say that if you give the employee a choice of taking more time off or getting a pay increase as a reward, the pay increase is the clear winner.  

I think the generation wants to work less and get paid the same and that just isn't a reality for a lot of companies.   

If I was given the option of either a 10% pay raise or I could take off 10% of the time that I would otherwise be working I would take the additional vacation easily.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Was it a reality for a lot of companies when people worked seven days a week down in the coal mines, getting black lung if they were lucky enough not to get killed earlier in a mine cave-in?

Times change, and thank goodness for that!

Yeah, pretty sure all those coal miners were laid off.  Thank goodness for that. 

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11 minutes ago, Ultra Max Power said:

Yeah, pretty sure all those coal miners were laid off.  Thank goodness for that. 

Actually probably most of them died, but their children and grandchildren were able to go to college and get safer jobs with better benefits :thumbsup:

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15 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said:

 

I also have 2,000 on FBG, ~5,000 on the defunct fflivewire,  500 on thehulltruth, 500 on arstechnica, and 200 on a local fishing site.

 

I am here today when I should be working, because I do not need 40 hours a week to do my job yet my employer makes me work those hours. I am looking forward to the day when we work 9 80's or 32 hours a week. Hopefully it becomes the standard before I retire.

Are you getting paid hourly or yearly salary? 

My point is, if you get paid salary, it is what it is if you deliver on time everything that is expected of you. That is what they are asking for. That's the job.

But if you get paid hourly, are you basically asking for businesses to pay more hourly for less work returned. Just tell them you prefer to be a part time employee. 

At least lay it out like that. 

 

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Actually probably most of them died, but their children and grandchildren were able to go to college and get safer jobs with better benefits :thumbsup:

So you are saying that in current day America that stress isn't a number one killer? 

You can mix eras all you like, but they don't relate. So your arguments fall flat.

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4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

So you are saying that in current day America that stress isn't a number one killer? 

Another great argument for the 32hr work week! :thumbsup:

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6 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Another great argument for the 32hr work week! :thumbsup:

How so? Do you think stress comes from work only and not from being out of shape, having a bad home life, making stupid personal decisions like using drugs/alcohol, etc?

You seriously think having a full time  job is the reason for people not managing their lives well? Instead of it being a personal problem? 

You dopes really think this?

You need to find some better friends. 

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29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

Actually probably most of them died, but their children and grandchildren were able to go to college and get safer jobs with better benefits :thumbsup:

And then complain about those jobs being too tough.  Perfect circle. 

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1 minute ago, Ultra Max Power said:

And then complain about those jobs being too tough.  Perfect circle. 

I don’t think you’re understanding. Progress was good then, and it’d be good now :doh:

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3 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I don’t think you’re understanding. Progress was good then, and it’d be good now :doh:

No, your "progress" example was people being phased out of their jobs. Its not good for them.  

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Just now, Ultra Max Power said:

No, your "progress" example was people being phased out of their jobs. Its not good for them.  

lol, this dipsh1t wants us all back in the coal mines :rolleyes:

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I thought biden was a master at creating jobs and the nation is flourishing? And everyone is happy.

Am I wrong?

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2 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

lol, this dipsh1t wants us all back in the coal mines :rolleyes:

Where did he say that?

And what about this?

Do you think stress comes from work only and not from being out of shape, having a bad home life, making stupid personal decisions like using drugs/alcohol, etc?

You seriously think having a full time  job is the reason for people not managing their lives well? Instead of it being a personal problem? 

You dopes really think this?

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“Soft men create hard times”. Bunch of Nerf Balls up in here. 

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29 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

lol, this dipsh1t wants us all back in the coal mines :rolleyes:

And and you're the d****** that is raging against an argument nobody made and that you made up out of thin air.

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This video is stupid. She is stupid. All the people coming to her defense are stupid. 

The biggest problem this whiny brat has is that her commute takes forever.

Somehow our society decided that instead of telling people to either live with their stupid decisions or move on, we now somehow think that what we should do is find a way to fix it for her. 

Omg let's make work only 32 hours. Omg let her work from home. Omg give her a rent stipend so she can live next door to her job.

Hey idiot. Find a different job and sftu. 

 

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