Biden should deal with the border issue, but he’ll win anyhow.

[The Real timschochet]

I’ve been a pretty open borders guy my entire life but the current numbers of people coming are unsustainable even for me. And there’s a growing political reality that liberals need to face: this issue, not abortion, not the future of our democracy, not inflation, not Trump’s crimes, may very well be the #1 issue next November. And if that happens Biden is going to lose and Donald Trump is going to be our next President- shudder. 
 

So Biden needs to deal with this now. Not the Trump way, not inhumanly, but we’ve got to shut down the flow. If we don’t we’re all screwed. 

[posty]

Isn’t Harris the border czar?

[League Champion]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So Biden needs to deal with this now.

Why hasn't he and why isn't he? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge]

Not inhumanely. What did trump do inhumanely?  Use Obamas cages?  Tds severe. The borders should have never been open. And if you think there is a single voter that’s gonna be like well Biden tried to do something in the last 6 months I’m gonna vote for him now. You’re dumb

[Hardcore troubadour]

Huh? The border is secure. And the GDP is up slightly. What’s the issue? 

[Mike Hunt]

12 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve been a pretty open borders guy my entire life but the current numbers of people coming are unsustainable even for me. And there’s a growing political reality that liberals need to face: this issue, not abortion, not the future of our democracy, not inflation, not Trump’s crimes, may very well be the #1 issue next November. And if that happens Biden is going to lose and Donald Trump is going to be our next President- shudder. 
 

So Biden needs to deal with this now. Not the Trump way, not inhumanly, but we’ve got to shut down the flow. If we don’t we’re all screwed. 

 

Tim, you have always been right until you are wrong.  

Miscalculated this one years ago.  

[RLLD]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve been a pretty open borders guy my entire life but the current numbers of people coming are unsustainable even for me. And there’s a growing political reality that liberals need to face: this issue, not abortion, not the future of our democracy, not inflation, not Trump’s crimes, may very well be the #1 issue next November. And if that happens Biden is going to lose and Donald Trump is going to be our next President- shudder. 
 

So Biden needs to deal with this now. Not the Trump way, not inhumanly, but we’ve got to shut down the flow. If we don’t we’re all screwed. 

Yeah, perhaps.  I just think that pushing the abortion thing is the biggest bat they have to swing.  The border is of course an issue, it does appear that they can no longer pretend it is not without repurcussion.  The economy is a bigger issue, no matter what numbers they tout the impacts of inflation will not abate....this is something they do not seem to fully appreciate. Their messaging around economics has to change, completely.

[The Real timschochet]

7 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

Not inhumanely. What did trump do inhumanely?  Use Obamas cages?  Tds severe. The borders should have never been open. And if you think there is a single voter that’s gonna be like well Biden tried to do something in the last 6 months I’m gonna vote for him now. You’re dumb

1. Family separation. I don’t believe in that. 
 

2. I’m not worried about you or anyone else who thinks like you- you’re never going to vote for Biden anyhow. I’m concerned about the independent voter who doesn’t think about this issue unless it’s an emergency- and right now it’s an emergency. We need to remove it from emergency status so that they focus on other issues at the ballot box. Can that be done in 6 months? I don’t know. But they’d better try. 

[The Real timschochet]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

 

Tim, you have always been right until you are wrong.  

Miscalculated this one years ago.  

I didn’t miscalculate it. I expressed my beliefs about what America should be about and I continue to hold those beliefs. But we’ve reached crisis mode so now we have to act in an emergency in ways that we didn’t have to act before. 

[League Champion]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So Biden needs to deal with this now. 

Why hasn't he and why isn't he? 

[iam90sbaby]

Immigration has been an issue since before I was even born and it's been swept under the rug, it's too late now to even do anything about it 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Why did they stop DNA testing at the border? 

[The Real timschochet]

2 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Why hasn't he and why isn't he? 

Do you think asking this question twice makes it more pertinent? Perhaps you should ask it a third or fourth time? 
 

He hasn’t, IMO, because for a Democrat there is no political gain to doing so unless it’s tied to overall immigration reform, which Republicans will not accept so there’s no way to get that done. Now however I don’t think he has any choice- and if you’re paying attention to the last few days Biden is moving on this issue. 

[iam90sbaby]

1 minute ago, The Real timschochet said:

Do you think asking this question twice makes it more pertinent? Perhaps you should ask it a third or fourth time? 
 

He hasn’t, IMO, because for a Democrat there is no political gain to doing so unless it’s tied to overall immigration reform, which Republicans will not accept so there’s no way to get that done. Now however I don’t think he has any choice- and if you’re paying attention to the last few days Biden is moving on this issue. 

If Biden got rid of the immigration act of 64 and reinstated what we did previously, I would vote democrat until I died with a smile on my face.

[listen2me 23]

Sounds like your new Ukraine stance.  

[The Real timschochet]

1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said:

Sounds like your new Ukraine stance.  

What is that? 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Tom is only concerned about an election. Not the safety and security of our country.  Party first. 

[posty]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

What is that? 

It is the country that Russia is having a war with, but that isn’t important right now…

[listen2me 23]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tom is only concerned about an election. Not the safety and security of our country.  Party first. 

A crazy Lib to a T. Virtue this virtue that, but down the road just tells on himself that he actually doesn't care as much as he acts.  Its about elections.   

Like Ukraine, he was all in.  Then when time passes and he realizes his side can't really get a "win" out of current stances, he totally decides to go the other way.  We must fight off Russia with blank checks!  This is important!   Hundreds of thousands die.  "Ok Putin can have some land, winter is here so I think we should try and wrap this thing up". 

It is comical at his level of fake.  He has no shame.  

[Voltaire]

So the primary motivation for the Biden administration to pivot on border policy is not overcrowding, nor lack of resources, nor crime, nor depressed wages? It is because it Joe Biden's re-election possibilities?

Well, however we get there...

Put a Band-Aid on there, remove it this time next year, and be grateful for the 11 months we had with the Band-Aid.

[Strike]

16 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tom is only concerned about an election. Not the safety and security of our country.  Party first. 

I've been telling you guys since Tim got here that this is all just a game to him.  He doesn't care what's best for the country.  He thinks he's playing a game.

[RaiderHaters Revenge]

43 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

1. Family separation. I don’t believe in that. 
 

2. I’m not worried about you or anyone else who thinks like you- you’re never going to vote for Biden anyhow. I’m concerned about the independent voter who doesn’t think about this issue unless it’s an emergency- and right now it’s an emergency. We need to remove it from emergency status so that they focus on other issues at the ballot box. Can that be done in 6 months? I don’t know. But they’d better try. 

so you think illegals should have more rights than americans, now we are getting down to it

and just for reference here you go

https://www.vera.org/news/children-are-still-being-separated-from-their-families-at-the-border

so cut the crap, learn the issue

If I break the law in ANY COUNTRY in the world and my kid is with me, WE WILL BE SEPARATED.  Its that simple, dont break the law, dont suffer the consequences, I guess

also there are plenty of kids showing up with non biological relatives

 

[HellToupee]

59 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

So Biden needs to deal with this now

Why hasn't he and why isn't he? 

[RaiderHaters Revenge]

44 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I didn’t miscalculate it. I expressed my beliefs about what America should be about and I continue to hold those beliefs. But we’ve reached crisis mode so now we have to act in an emergency in ways that we didn’t have to act before. 

you think america should be about come here illegally and skip the lines of people waiting to come here the correct way.  

[Stryker Ryker]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve been a pretty open borders guy my entire life but the current numbers of people coming are unsustainable even for me. And there’s a growing political reality that liberals need to face: this issue, not abortion, not the future of our democracy, not inflation, not Trump’s crimes, may very well be the #1 issue next November. And if that happens Biden is going to lose and Donald Trump is going to be our next President- shudder. 
 

So Biden needs to deal with this now. Not the Trump way, not inhumanly, but we’ve got to shut down the flow. If we don’t we’re all screwed. 

Seeing as how him & his cronies are the ones literally forcing it open I doubt he will ever shut it. His agents will literally go take down barriers, cut open fences, even used a damn front loader to lift up barbed wire fence so illegals could cross into America No Biden is DONE. He won’t win re-election & everyone knows it. Yet he refuses to give up power. Sounds like a dictator to most of us normal Americans 

[League Champion]

36 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

hasn’t, IMO, because for a Democrat there is no political gain to doing so unless it’s tied to overall immigration

But why would Democrats want this?? Why would any American want this? 

[The Real timschochet]

17 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've been telling you guys since Tim got here that this is all just a game to him.  He doesn't care what's best for the country.  He thinks he's playing a game.

You’re so full of sh!t. It’s not a game and has never been a game to me. I firmly believe that more open immigration is what’s best for this country. But we’re facing an emergency. 

[Patented Phil]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

I’ve been a pretty open borders guy my entire life but the current numbers of people coming are unsustainable even for me.

What's maddening with you is that the first half of your sentence unavoidably leads to the second half.  My dog understands this.  1+1=2.

[Hardcore troubadour]

35 minutes ago, Strike said:

I've been telling you guys since Tim got here that this is all just a game to him.  He doesn't care what's best for the country.  He thinks he's playing a game.

Tim is Soft and well fed. Never had to sweat it out. 

[supermike80]

Telling you now, and I've said it countless times.  The ONLY reason Timmy is switching his position here is because CNN or MSNBC or Vox or Huffpost have.  That is the only reason.  Remember, Tim is utterly incapable of thinking for himself.   

I think you all know that, but it's good to point it out when he does this so you all know where he is coming from

[RLLD]

16 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re so full of sh!t. It’s not a game and has never been a game to me. I firmly believe that more open immigration is what’s best for this country. But we’re facing an emergency. 

I am grateful you see it.  It was evident much earlier, but that you now see it should result in hope.  I surmise that if YOU now see it, others with your similar positions and views perhaps also finally see it.

With this should come at least some pressure on Democrat leaders to stop this game. And perhaps, if needed, fewer Democrats.....and with that.....fewer ruinous policies.

[MLCKAA]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re so full of sh!t. It’s not a game and has never been a game to me. I firmly believe that more open immigration is what’s best for this country. But we’re facing an emergency. 

It seems like you’re being disingenuous.  You favor open borders, but right now it’s a problem.  You only consider it a problem because it may prevent Biden’s re-election.  But it’ll prevent his re-election because it’s a real problem.

[weepaws]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Tim is Soft and well fed. Never had to sweat it out. 

Tough guy

[League Champion]

40 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I firmly believe that more open immigration is what’s best for this country. But we’re facing an emergency. 

Vote Republican. 

You can't cry about it now, you voted for it. 

[weepaws]

3 minutes ago, League Champion said:

Vote Republican. 

You can't cry about it now, you voted for it. 

What’s the benefit since they are on the same team? 

[Ron 'Tator Salad' White]

1 hour ago, posty said:

It is the country that Russia is having a war with, but that isn’t important right now…

And don’t call me Shirley 

[IGotWorms]

They do need to mitigate the issue politically, yes.

Because voters don’t believe they can trust democrats on the border, it will have to be over the top action.

But then do you risk losing your base for going too far?

It’s a tough spot, for sure.

[League Champion]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

But then do you risk losing your base for going too far?

At what point is enough enough for Democrats? This isn't good for any of us, regardless of political affiliation. 

Even the hardest of hardcore Democrats have to know that this isn't good. 

[The Real timschochet]

1 hour ago, Patented Phil said:

What's maddening with you is that the first half of your sentence unavoidably leads to the second half.  My dog understands this.  1+1=2.

No it doesn’t. You can fit 100, 000 people in a large stadium but if you have one entrance and tell everybody to run in at full speed you’re going to have problems. 

[The Real timschochet]

59 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

It seems like you’re being disingenuous.  You favor open borders, but right now it’s a problem.  You only consider it a problem because it may prevent Biden’s re-election.  But it’ll prevent his re-election because it’s a real problem.

I want open controlled immigration. If it’s out of control, I can live with that so long as the numbers aren’t too large, right now they are.