Iran

[seafoam1]

22 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? 

Seriously. Liberals are that dumb..

[The Girlfriend]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Oh my God, if they actually had a nuclear bomb when Trump was still president? They’d be trying to impeach him saying that he’s not keeping us safe. 
 

Problem is they have no credibility. We tried their plan and it wasn’t working. They were still trying to make one and I’m pretty sure they never really stopped. 
 

So they have no better ideas on how to handle this. But if I have my choice, I would rather be offensive like we are than this placating defense they always wanna play.

False.  They were not trying to make a bomb under the JCPOA.  This has never been disputed.

[seafoam1]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Oh my God, if they actually had a nuclear bomb when Trump was still president? They’d be trying to impeach him saying that he’s not keeping us safe. 
 

Problem is they have no credibility. We tried their plan and it wasn’t working. They were still trying to make one and I’m pretty sure they never really stopped. 
 

So they have no better ideas on how to handle this. But if I have my choice, I would rather be offensive like we are than this placating defense they always wanna play.

They got as far along as they did BECAUSE of liberal president's lack of accountability on the world stage. Obama and Biden were doing all the wrong things. 

It's amazing how liberals mentally process things in life. They are all 55 year old children. 

[cyclone24]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

They got as far along as they did BECAUSE of liberal president's lack of accountability on the world stage. Obama and Biden were doing all the wrong things. 

It's amazing how liberals mentally process things in life. They are all 55 year old children. 

I mean, I don’t 100% blame them. They try to tactic of negotiating and play them and hoped it worked because nobody else has figured them out on either side of the aisle. I’m just not gonna listen to a lot of their BS that this isn’t working and crying about it because they have no better solutions.
 

Just whack them, take over the street and get it over with. We have to stop playing patty cake. Now if they want to rip on that part of it? I’ll stand there with them, but not how they’re doing it. Somebody had to kick the crap out of them.

[seafoam1]

6 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

False.  They were not trying to make a bomb under the JCPOA.  This has never been disputed.

Mdc.

[SaintsInDome2006]

12 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Oh my God, if they actually had a nuclear bomb when Trump was still president? They’d be trying to impeach him saying that he’s not keeping us safe. 

Shouldn’t that have happened already? As a result of tearing up the deal in 2018 Iran vastly expanded its HEU program. Even as we’ve been told Iran is weeks away for years now by Netanyahu, we’re 8 years in. And as a result we’ve gone to war & instead of halting the program we face loss of the Strait, which has never been an issue in history.

Look what happened with North Korea, a farce. They expanded their nukes delivery capabilities in Trump1 after Trump howled & stamped his feet online. At the end of which he recognized NK & expressed his “love” for Kim. We the US conceded everything there.

And Russia, same thing, rather than ending the war, Russia has ramped up its attacks on civilians to ever worsening depths of depravity. 

[seafoam1]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

I mean, I don’t 100% blame them. They try to tactic of negotiating and play them and hoped it worked because nobody else has figured them out on either side of the aisle. I’m just not gonna listen to a lot of their BS that this isn’t working and crying about it because they have no better solutions.
 

Just whack them, take over the street and get it over with. We have to stop playing patty cake. Now if they want to rip on that part of it? I’ll stand there with them, but not how they’re doing it. Somebody had to kick the crap out of them.

We have 50 years of history of Iran being a terrorist country. What further proof has anyone ever needed. They get a nuke, they use it in one way or another. Terrorism gets a lot louder at that point. 

[TimHauck]

2 hours ago, The Girlfriend said:

weaking?  The citizens of Iran don't want us dead.  They want their freedom.

 

2 hours ago, JuneJuly said:

Who told you that?   

Donald Trump

[shadrap]

57 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Shouldn’t that have happened already? As a result of tearing up the deal in 2018 Iran vastly expanded its HEU program. Even as we’ve been told Iran is weeks away for years now by Netanyahu, we’re 8 years in. And as a result we’ve gone to war & instead of halting the program we face loss of the Strait, which has never been an issue in history.

Look what happened with North Korea, a farce. They expanded their nukes delivery capabilities in Trump1 after Trump howled & stamped his feet online. At the end of which he recognized NK & expressed his “love” for Kim. We the US conceded everything there.

And Russia, same thing, rather than ending the war, Russia has ramped up its attacks on civilians to ever worsening depths of depravity. 

We conceded everything during the Clinton years.  Love how you blame Trump though.  Says a lot.

[jerryskids]

7 hours ago, The Girlfriend said:

How many millions of Iranians do we have to kill before we can declare victory?

As someone said, as many as it takes.

And as long as people like you show no stomach for it, Iran has a chance.

I would call it suicidal empathy, but it's just suicidal, because the Left lacks the ability to empathize with Iran.  Sympathize, yes -- oh no, some innocent people will die!  Some critical infrastructure will be destroyed!  We must stop!

But Iran licks their chops at this.  Like all Islamic militant states since, well, Islam, weakness is a sign from Allah that they should destroy the weaklings.  I listened to a pod over the weekend that talked about the Barbary pirates during revolutionary times -- at one point early in our founding, the US paid 1/5 of its revenue to the pirates.  Thomas Jefferson, who philosophically opposed a standing military, ended up building up our navy and attacking the pirates.  Because he realized that there is only one currency they understand -- superior power.

Like Hamas, Iran doesn't care if their own people die.  Heck, they killed 50K+ in a few days.  They would welcome some innocent deaths because they know they have your ilk in their corner screaming "genocide!"

You can't attribute western ideals to Islamic autocratic regimes.

The way to beat Iran is to curb stomp them to within an inch of death, cut off their balls and shove them in their mouth, then ask if they are ready to surrender.

This is reality, and to think otherwise is wishcasting.

Perhaps other presidents didn't go after Iran because they realized this; that's a discussion we can have.  But, this president did, and here we are.  

[SaintsInDome2006]

8 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As someone said, as many as it takes.

And as long as people like you show no stomach for it, Iran has a chance.

I would call it suicidal empathy, but it's just suicidal, because the Left lacks the ability to empathize with Iran.  Sympathize, yes -- oh no, some innocent people will die!  Some critical infrastructure will be destroyed!  We must stop!

But Iran licks their chops at this.  Like all Islamic militant states since, well, Islam, weakness is a sign from Allah that they should destroy the weaklings.  I listened to a pod over the weekend that talked about the Barbary pirates during revolutionary times -- at one point early in our founding, the US paid 1/5 of its revenue to the pirates.  Thomas Jefferson, who philosophically opposed a standing military, ended up building up our navy and attacking the pirates.  Because he realized that there is only one currency they understand -- superior power.

Like Hamas, Iran doesn't care if their own people die.  Heck, they killed 50K+ in a few days.  They would welcome some innocent deaths because they know they have your ilk in their corner screaming "genocide!"

You can't attribute western ideals to Islamic autocratic regimes.

The way to beat Iran is to curb stomp them to within an inch of death, cut off their balls and shove them in their mouth, then ask if they are ready to surrender.

This is reality, and to think otherwise is wishcasting.

Perhaps other presidents didn't go after Iran because they realized this; that's a discussion we can have.  But, this president did, and here we are.  

Guys. Guys?

This takes troops. 

[jerryskids]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Guys. Guys?

This takes troops. 

Depends what we do, but probably.  

To take Kharg Island, sure.

To turn their coastline into glass, and bomb anything or anyone with remotely military significance?  No.

[SaintsInDome2006]

7 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Depends what we do, but probably.  

To take Kharg Island, sure.

To turn their coastline into glass, and bomb anything or anyone with remotely military significance?  No.

Unless you’re talking about nukes, no that won’t do it. And we already bombed the hell out of them for 4 months, & you saw how that ended. 

So yes, what you want will require troops.

[SaintsInDome2006]

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

We conceded everything during the Clinton years.  Love how you blame Trump though.  Says a lot.

Clinton isn’t a bad point. I don’t know about Iran (did nothing I guess) but in North Korea we saw the same thing. Clinton got a nuke deal with NK for a ton of money & development promises, Bush claimed it was too weak, terminated it, cut to now where NK has a full on nuclear weapons & ICBM program, including developing subs.

[Voltaire]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Unless you’re talking about nukes, no that won’t do it. And we already bombed the hell out of them for 4 months, & you saw how that ended. 

So yes, what you want will require troops.

We only bombed miliary targets. I'm hearing we're hitting Kharg Island right now, but I don't know to trust the YouTube source, so hopefully its finally infrastructure time.

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just now, Voltaire said:

We only bombed miliary targets. I'm hearing we're hitting Kharg Island right now, but I don't know to trust the YouTube source, so hopefully its finally infrastructure time.

Many examples in history. Bombing civilians &/or their infrastructure just hardens their resolve. Not a good club to join btw, all the members are historic bad guys.

[Hardcore troubadour]

I say we give them a nuke. 

[Gepetto]

They didn't kill 50,000 of their people, not even 30,000. 

While human rights organizations methodically confirm thousands of protester deaths, the exact "known for sure" number killed by the government is highly disputed. Independent monitors report upwards of 6,000 to 7,000 fatalities in recent crackdowns, while the Iranian government admits to exactly 3,117 deaths.

[Voltaire]

4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Many examples in history. Bombing civilians &/or their infrastructure just hardens their resolve. Not a good club to join btw, all the members are historic bad guys.

Who cares about their resolve? If the place reduced to MadMaxistan, Tina Turner can run the place for all I care since she doesn't have the capacity to develop a bomb. And you don't bomb civilians, just infrastructure.

[thegeneral]

What’s this about Japan entering the fray?

[Hardcore troubadour]

5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Many examples in history. Bombing civilians &/or their infrastructure just hardens their resolve. Not a good club to join btw, all the members are historic bad guys.

FDR is a historic bad guy? So is Truman? Wow. 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just now, Voltaire said:

Who cares about their resolve? If the place reduced to MadMaxistan, Tina Turner can run the place for all I care since she doesn't have the capacity to develop a bomb.

Because if we change the regime we change the policy.

Infrastructure doesn’t have anything to do with any of that. Then we just target the development sites.

[SaintsInDome2006]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

FDR is a historic bad guy? So is Truman? Wow. 

Are you a Noam Chomsky leftist now? But if you raise thst point it’s illustrative, we occupied Germany & Japan with troops. They didn’t crumble after Dresden or burning Tokyo.

[Voltaire]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Because if we change the regime we change the policy.

Infrastructure doesn’t have anything to do with any of that. Then we just target the development sites.

Changing the regime from the air is hard. They just hide, burrow in, and wait for the bombing to stop. Infrastructure on the other hand is easy, they can't hide or move it.

[SaintsInDome2006]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

Changing the regime from the air is hard. They just hide, burrow in, and wait for the bombing to stop. Infrastructure on the other hand is easy, they can't hide or move it.

Right, agree.

I don’t see how the US let Iran move anything first go ’round.

[Hardcore troubadour]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Are you a Noam Chomsky leftist now? But if you raise thst point it’s illustrative, we occupied Germany & Japan with troops. They didn’t crumble after Dresden or burning Tokyo.

I addressed your historical “bad guy” statement. How about you stick to what I say? 

[SaintsInDome2006]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I addressed your historical “bad guy” statement. How about you stick to what I say? 

Ok sure. No FDR & Truman aren’t historic bad guys because the US fire bombed Dresden & Tokyo (UK realky in Dresden). But it also wasn’t US policy. Best example of that right now is Russia vs Ukraine where it is policy, & Nazi Germany vs London where it was policy, & Imp. Japan in Nanking where it was policy, or Nazi Germany in Warsaw & Stalin in Warsaw again. You want to line up with the communist left & tear down the US you go right on ahead.

[The Girlfriend]

47 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

As someone said, as many as it takes.

And as long as people like you show no stomach for it, Iran has a chance.

I would call it suicidal empathy, but it's just suicidal, because the Left lacks the ability to empathize with Iran.  Sympathize, yes -- oh no, some innocent people will die!  Some critical infrastructure will be destroyed!  We must stop!

But Iran licks their chops at this.  Like all Islamic militant states since, well, Islam, weakness is a sign from Allah that they should destroy the weaklings.  I listened to a pod over the weekend that talked about the Barbary pirates during revolutionary times -- at one point early in our founding, the US paid 1/5 of its revenue to the pirates.  Thomas Jefferson, who philosophically opposed a standing military, ended up building up our navy and attacking the pirates.  Because he realized that there is only one currency they understand -- superior power.

Like Hamas, Iran doesn't care if their own people die.  Heck, they killed 50K+ in a few days.  They would welcome some innocent deaths because they know they have your ilk in their corner screaming "genocide!"

You can't attribute western ideals to Islamic autocratic regimes.

The way to beat Iran is to curb stomp them to within an inch of death, cut off their balls and shove them in their mouth, then ask if they are ready to surrender.

This is reality, and to think otherwise is wishcasting.

Perhaps other presidents didn't go after Iran because they realized this; that's a discussion we can have.  But, this president did, and here we are.  

What's the end game?  If Iran doesn't care if we kill a million Iranians, why do it?  What are we trying to achieve?

[Voltaire]

Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok sure. No FDR & Truman aren’t historic bad guys because the US fire bombed Dresden & Tokyo. But it also wasn’t US policy. Best example of that right now is Russia vs Ukraine where it is policy, & Nazi Germany vs London where it was policy, & Imp. Japan in Nanking where it was policy, or Nazi Germany in Warsaw & Stalin in Warsaw again. You want to line up with the communist left & tear down the US you go right on ahead.

First, you literally, and I know how to use that word properly, you literally 100% absolutly are, right now, sitting in front of the computer have been line up with communists that clearly want to tear down the US. Half your party is communist and the other half caters to their every wish.

As for us, we just want to make sure Iran doesn't develop a bomb. MadMaxistan cannot develop a bomb. It has nothing to do with Communism, or Nazism, or Liberalism or anything other than anti-radical Islam terrorism.

Also, we'll see what get verified, I hear Kharg Island is on fire, so it looks like we're done being nice and patient and careful not to hurt their economy. Unfortunately they showed that they were never serious about negotiating in good faith or rejoining the world community as a normal nation, so this was where it had to go.

[SaintsInDome2006]

2 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

irst, you literally, and I know how to use that word properly, you literally 100% absolutly are, right now, sitting in front of the computer have been line up with communists that clearly want to tear down the US. Half your party is communist and the other half caters to their every wish.

I know what communism is & the damage it’s done. I don’t need Ask Jeeves. Most of maga does not imo & wouldn’t know it if it was marching down their Main Street.

[Hardcore troubadour]

12 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok sure. No FDR & Truman aren’t historic bad guys because the US fire bombed Dresden & Tokyo (UK realky in Dresden). But it also wasn’t US policy. Best example of that right now is Russia vs Ukraine where it is policy, & Nazi Germany vs London where it was policy, & Imp. Japan in Nanking where it was policy, or Nazi Germany in Warsaw & Stalin in Warsaw again. You want to line up with the communist left & tear down the US you go right on ahead.

It wasn’t policy? Huh? We did it. They ordered it. You’re spiraling. Go have a drink. 

[seafoam1]

3 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

First, you literally, and I know how to use that word properly, you literally 100% absolutly are, right now, sitting in front of the computer have been line up with communists that clearly want to tear down the US. Half your party is communist and the other half caters to their every wish.

As for us, we just want to make sure Iran doesn't develop a bomb. MadMaxistan cannot develop a bomb. It has nothing to do with Communism, or Nazism, or Liberalism or anything other than anti-radical Islam terrorism.

Also, we'll see what get verified, I hear Kharg Island is on fire, so it looks like we're done being nice and patient and careful not to hurt their economy. Unfortunately they showed that they were never serious about negotiating in good faith or rejoining the world community as a normal nation, so this was where it had to go.

100%

[SaintsInDome2006]

4 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

As for us, we just want to make sure Iran doesn't develop a bomb. MadMaxistan cannot develop a bomb. It has nothing to do with Communism, or Nazism, or Liberalism or anything other than anti-radical Islam terrorism.

Also, we'll see what get verified, I hear Kharg Island is on fire, so it looks like we're done being nice and patient and careful not to hurt their economy. Unfortunately they showed that they were never serious about negotiating in good faith or rejoining the world community as a normal nation, so this was where it had to go.

Ok let’s watch & see. IMO we’ve already done this, but hey let’s give her another whirl.

[Voltaire]

1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I know what communism is & the damage it’s done. I don’t need Ask Jeeves. Most of maga does not imo & wouldn’t know it if it was marching down their Main Street.

No, we do see it marching down Main Street. They're out there right now and you're passing out balloons.

[seafoam1]

3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

I know what communism is & the damage it’s done. I don’t need Ask Jeeves. Most of maga does not imo & wouldn’t know it if it was marching down their Main Street.

Nothing you say will make anyone believe that. You have been so off on every stance you have been taking. 

[SaintsInDome2006]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It wasn’t policy? Huh? We did it. They ordered it. You’re spiraling. Go have a drink. 

No, it wasn’t. FDR & Truman didn’t order civilians & whole cities wasted. 

Nukes aside of course.

If you really want good sources on your büllshit anti-American POV go look up the actual woke leftists from the 60s & 70s who were fed it by their Stalinist & Maoist fellow travelers. It’s trite in 2026.

[Voltaire]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Ok let’s watch & see. IMO we’ve already done this, but hey let’s give her another whirl.

We were extremely careful not to target infrastructure last time because Trump wanted them to reform with everything intact other than their military. If Kharg Island really is on fire, that means we've taken the gloves off. This is something entirely different.

[Hardcore troubadour]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

No, it wasn’t. FDR & Truman didn’t order civilians & whole cities wasted. 

Nukes aside of course.

If you really want good sources on your büllshit anti-American POV go look up the actual woke leftists from the 60s & 70s who were fed it by their Stalinist & Maoist fellow travelers. It’s trite in 2026.

So they didn’t know civilians would be killed? 

[Voltaire]

8 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

No, it wasn’t. FDR & Truman didn’t order civilians & whole cities wasted. 

Nukes aside of course.

If you really want good sources on your büllshit anti-American POV go look up the actual woke leftists from the 60s & 70s who were fed it by their Stalinist & Maoist fellow travelers. It’s trite in 2026.

In 2026, there's a real wave of Communists taking over the Democrat Parry and we see you, and people like you, running interference for them. In the 60s and 70s, the Democrats still had the wherewithal to keep the Weathermen and Black Panthers and Communists out of the Party. Now, in 2026, you Dems have run out of gas. The only spark of energy is on your radical left flank, so you just roll over and let them take run things.

[The Girlfriend]

5 minutes ago, Voltaire said:

In 2026, there's a real wave of Communists taking over the Democrat Parry and we see you, and people like you, running interference for them. In the 60s and 70s, the Democrats still had the wherewithal to keep the Weathermen and Black Panthers and Communists out of the Party. Now, in 2026, you Dems have run out of gas. The only spark of energy is on your radical left flank, so you just roll over and let them take run things.

Can you name one communist?