Trump's NY Election Interference Trial - Trump is found guilty on all 34 counts

[squistion]

The first criminal trial of a former President begins today in New York with jury selection.

Post any trial news, updates or your commentary on the proceedings in this thread. 

https://www.npr.org/2024/04/15/1238536885/trump-hush-money-trial

Trump's criminal trial, a first for a former president, begins Monday

For the first time in U.S. history, a former president will sit in a courtroom for the first day of his criminal trial.

Former President Donald Trump faces 34-count felony counts alleging that he falsified New York business records in order to conceal damaging information to influence the 2016 presidential election. Monday kicks off an 18-person jury selection for the trial that is expected to last about six weeks — even as Trump campaigns to be president once again.

The trial begins after a 20-day delay was granted by New York Judge Juan Merchan to give both legal teams time to review 31,000 records provided by the U.S. Attorney's Office. In recent weeks, Merchan also issued a gag order on Trump that specifically bars him from making, or directing others to make, public statements about witnesses, prosecutors or jurors. He later extended the order to cover the families after Trump went after the judge's daughter by name on the former president's social media site. [...]

The district attorney hopes to make this case about 2016 election interference

A grand jury indicted Trump in the spring of last year, marking the first time a former or sitting president faced criminal charges. Republicans quickly dismissed the indictment as an overreach of power by District Attorney Alvin Bragg, who had brought the charges. Trump has pleaded not guilty.

At the center of the trial are 11 "hush money" payments to adult film actor Stormy Daniels who, at the time Trump was first running for president, threatened to go public with accusations she'd had an affair with him not long after he married Melania Trump.

The lawsuit alleges that payments were made from Trump's flagship Trump Organization to Michael Cohen, then a vice president and counsel at the company. The payments were described by the Trump Organization falsely as "legal retainers"; they were, in fact, reimbursements to Cohen for paying Daniels.

Cohen transferred that money to Daniels less than two weeks before the 2016 election. After Trump won, he reimbursed Cohen, including with his own personal checks. Trump has denied an affair with Daniels, but in 2018 he admitted reimbursing Cohen for money paid to her, arguing it had nothing to do with the campaign.

The indictment also includes a separate $150,000 payment to another woman – the Playboy model Karen McDougal, who has spoken openly about her experience – who claimed to have had an intimate relationship with Trump.

The fact of the payments and the false records isn't in dispute. What Bragg has to prove is that Trump made them in order to further other crimes, such as violating campaign finance law and mischaracterizing the payments for tax purposes.

[TBayXXXVII]

You gotta love it when a segment of society wants to prosecute someone for the sole purpose that this person disagrees with them politically.  I thought our country was supposed to be above that.  Guess not.

[Ron_Artest]

I'm just here for all the Maga tears. 

[Engorgeous George]

I did not think the Stormy Daniels incident was an affair.  I thought it a one time thing.  I must not have followed along thoroughly when it all came out.

 

Frankly I find Stormy Daniels a bit of a pig.  Karen McDougal on the other hand is fine as frog's hair. 

 

I guess the trial will give me time to become reacquainted with all the salacious details.

[Hardcore troubadour]

10 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I did not think the Stormy Daniels incident was an affair.  I thought it a one time thing.  I must not have followed along thoroughly when it all came out.

 

Frankly I find Stormy Daniels a bit of a pig.  Karen McDougal on the other hand is fine as frog's hair. 

 

I guess the trial will give me time to become reacquainted with all the salacious details.

The salacious details is what this is all about. The charge is garbage and they know it. 

[Ron_Artest]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I did not think the Stormy Daniels incident was an affair.  I thought it a one time thing.  I must not have followed along thoroughly when it all came out.

 

Frankly I find Stormy Daniels a bit of a pig.  Karen McDougal on the other hand is fine as frog's hair. 

 

I guess the trial will give me time to become reacquainted with all the salacious details.

According to Stormy it was a one time thing and she didn't want to have anything to do with him.  She described it as rape, but acknowledges that she never said no so she could not and did not claim it as rape, but she described it as he forced himself on her and she froze and took it.  Same thing he's done his entire life.

[thegeneral]

8 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I did not think the Stormy Daniels incident was an affair.  I thought it a one time thing.  I must not have followed along thoroughly when it all came out.

 

Frankly I find Stormy Daniels a bit of a pig.  Karen McDougal on the other hand is fine as frog's hair. 

 

I guess the trial will give me time to become reacquainted with all the salacious details.

Trump says he never banged her never knew about the payments, right?

[Engorgeous George]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

According to Stormy it was a one time thing and she didn't want to have anything to do with him.  She described it as rape, but acknowledges that she never said no so she could not and did not claim it as rape, but she described it as he forced himself on her and she froze and took it.  Same thing he's done his entire life.

I would not term that an affair as did the original post.  To me an affair has the connotation of something which was ongoing or repeated over time, it is something more than a one time thing.  Not that this has anything to do with the charges.  

 

I wonder if Trump's lawyers will offer to stipulate to some of the facts so as to limit testimony a bit.  

[squistion]

 

[thegeneral]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

I would not term that an affair as did the original post.  To me an affair has the connotation of something which was ongoing or repeated over time.

I will try this line with my wife. 

[Reality]

Banana Republic.

[Engorgeous George]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Trump says he never banged her never knew about the payments, right?

I forget where he ended up on this.  To my recollection he did deny the incident but then stated (or maybe he had his proxies state) that it did occur but the payments were not about the campaign, it was about Melania not finding out.  As i said the trial will certainly refresh my recollection.  I don't want to get the facts wrong and have folks think I did so with soime agenda.

[Hardcore troubadour]

Didn’t Stormy deny anything happened ? 

[Engorgeous George]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I will try this line with my wife. 

Let us know how it goes.  

 

"Honey I did not have an affair with that women, I just opportunistically banged the skank that one time."

[thegeneral]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

I forget where he ended up on this.  To my recollection he did deny the incident but then stated (or maybe he had his proxies state) that it did occur but the payments were not about the campaign, it was about Melania not finding out.  As i said the trial will certainly refresh my recollection.  I don't want to get the facts wrong and have folks think I did so with soime agenda.

Donald says he can’t wait to testify so we’ll see. He def said he didn’t bang her and that he didn’t know about payments. He kinda has issues with his memory though. 

[squistion]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Donald says he can’t wait to testify so we’ll see. He def said he didn’t bang her and that he didn’t know about payments. He kinda has issues with his memory though. 

There is no way his attorneys will allow him to testify. If they did it would be a gift to the prosection. 

[Engorgeous George]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

Donald says he can’t wait to testify so we’ll see. He def said he didn’t bang her and that he didn’t know about payments. He kinda has issues with his memory though. 

Well I imagine jury selection will go on for many days so it will be some time before we hear the prosecution's case in detail and even more before we hear from Trump.  

[Ron_Artest]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t Stormy deny anything happened ? 

She was paid off to deny it, yes.  She since went public and broke the NDA after Magas started threatening her and her daughters lives.

[thegeneral]

10 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Didn’t Stormy deny anything happened ? 

Hard to trust porn stars or the dudes who pay them off after they bang them behind wife’s back.

[Engorgeous George]

I think there ought to be a porn star/client privilege, sort of like with priests/penetants.  What is said (and paid) in the sanctity of the fornicatorium stays in the fornicatorium.

 

Of course Trump would still have a problem as such privileges only extend to the the two individuals involved in the act.  Once he brings a third party into the relationship to pay the porn star the privilege is broken.  Third parties outside of attornies pretty much always break these privileges and for attornies the privileges only remain as to legal advice, not as to other functions like forwarding a criminal enterprise by being a bagman. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

16 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

She was paid off to deny it, yes.  She since went public and broke the NDA after Magas started threatening her and her daughters lives.

If it was an NDA, why did she deny it ? Why not no comment? 

[Ron_Artest]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it was an NDA, why did she deny it ? Why not no comment? 

That letter was written by the Trump team and she was told to sign it or she would be in violation of the NDA.

[Engorgeous George]

Outrunning the past can be difficult.

 

Sometimes money is not a sufficient deoderant.

 

Skanks, god love em but they just are not good at shutting the hell up.

[thegeneral]

4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

If it was an NDA, why did she deny it ? Why not no comment? 

Probably embarrassed she got raw dogged by that dude.

[IGotWorms]

55 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You gotta love it when a segment of society wants to prosecute someone for the sole purpose that this person disagrees with them politically.  I thought our country was supposed to be above that.  Guess not.

I think they’re prosecuting him because they believe he committed at least 88 separate felonies

[IGotWorms]

27 minutes ago, squistion said:

There is no way his attorneys will allow him to testify. If they did it would be a gift to the prosection. 

This is true but also Trump does not want to testify either. This is his standard m.o. — claim he wants to tell his side but somehow he’s being “silenced”

[thegeneral]

Just now, IGotWorms said:

This is true but also Trump does not want to testify either. This is his standard m.o. — claim he wants to tell his side but somehow he’s being “silenced”

He is looking forward to telling the truth he said, and added that’s “all he can do!”

[The Real timschochet]

Some pundits predict the jury selection could last up to two weeks. So anyone waiting for real news out of this thing better be patient, 

[IGotWorms]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Some pundits predict the jury selection could last up to two weeks. So anyone waiting for real news out of this thing better be patient, 

It’s too bad it isn’t televised, though I do think it’s probably for the best 

[double tour]

One needs a hazmat suit just to enter this thread with all the liberal jizz flying around. 

How many years now that all you FBG boyo castaways have been masturbating in the hopes of getting Trump ?

Take a week off every once in a while and enjoy your boyfriends. 

[The Real timschochet]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You gotta love it when a segment of society wants to prosecute someone for the sole purpose that this person disagrees with them politically.  I thought our country was supposed to be above that.  Guess not.

According to polling the fact that you are a conservative makes you far more likely to believe this. Most people who are not conservatives don’t. 

Its fascinating to me that a guy as privileged and as expert at manipulating the legal system as Donald Trump has somehow convinced millions of people that he is a victim here but there’s no doubt that he has. 

[Beaker15]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You gotta love it when a segment of society wants to prosecute someone for the sole purpose that this person disagrees with them politically.  I thought our country was supposed to be above that.  Guess not.

Probably the most accurate thing I have seen posted in here this year.

[BeachGuy23]

Cultist bigly mad their master actually has to follow laws like the rest of us.

Man the details of this cover up and attempt by Trump to influence the election are going to bigly turn off non-cultist women and independents.

Love this for them.

[BeachGuy23]

1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

You gotta love it when a segment of society wants to prosecute someone for the sole purpose that this person disagrees with them politically.  I thought our country was supposed to be above that.  Guess not.

Dude broke the law and you cultist can't adhere your lips to his as$ fast enough.

LMFAO

cucks

[TBayXXXVII]

 

24 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I think they’re prosecuting him because they believe he committed at least 88 separate felonies

 

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

According to polling the fact that you are a conservative makes you far more likely to believe this. Most people who are not conservatives don’t. 

Its fascinating to me that a guy as privileged and as expert at manipulating the legal system as Donald Trump has somehow convinced millions of people that he is a victim here but there’s no doubt that he has. 

 

4 minutes ago, BeachGuy23 said:

Dude broke the law and you cultist can't adhere your lips to his as$ fast enough.

LMFAO

cucks

 

Let's say that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has changed in the last 70+ years... but, Trump ran as a Democrat in 2016 (not Hillary), and beat a Republican.  Then, in 2020, a Republican beat Trump. 

True or false....

There would have been a total of ZERO investigations and charges against Donald Trump.

 

Honestly, you don't have to answer.  I know the answer and so do you, so let's not pretend anything.

[jerryskids]

22 minutes ago, IGotWorms said:

I think they’re prosecuting him because they believe he committed at least 88 separate felonies

I need to reacquaint myself with the details here, but isn't this the one where the Feds long ago said it had no legs, but some NY DA with TDS ran on a platform of getting Trumpf$#@!

[Hardcore troubadour]

Just now, jerryskids said:

I need to reacquaint myself with the details here, but isn't this the one where the Feds long ago said it had no legs, but some NY DA with TDS ran on a platform of getting Trumpf$#@!

The feds said no. The prior da said no. Bragg said no. Then he got the screws turned. 

[Ron_Artest]

2 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

 

 

 

 

Let's say that ABSOLUTELY NOTHING has changed in the last 70+ years... but, Trump ran as a Democrat in 2016 (not Hillary), and beat a Republican.  Then, in 2020, a Republican beat Trump. 

True or false....

There would have been a total of ZERO investigations and charges against Donald Trump.

Honestly, you don't have to answer.  I know the answer and so do you, so let's not pretend anything.

 Guy who believes everything Trump says.

[TBayXXXVII]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

 Guy who believes everything Trump says.

 Guy believes everything Democrats say.

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

meh