Broncos Rb's

[gcmmidwest 149]

Thinking McLaughlin is leading the pack  and either javonte or perine will get cut ... With that said McLaughlin is a smallish back reminds me of kyren and will not make it thru the season 

Trying to avoid the whole situation but wanting to hear thoughts of what's going on??? Probably rbbc Estime & Watson are both injured 

[Maximum Overkill 1,646]

Estime is the back to own at his ADP. 

I think Javonte gets cut and Payton goes back to Thunder & Lightning (Estime & McLaughlin). With Estime being the goaline back. Don't forget, Payton hand picked and drafted Estime. He loves the Kid. 

[GobbleDog 948]

51 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I think Javonte gets cut and Payton goes back to Thunder & Lightning (Estime & McLaughlin). With Estime being the goaline back. Don't forget, Payton hand picked and drafted Estime. He loves the Kid. 

I agree with the "thunder and lighting" thinking for Payton - Ingram & Kamara reboot. I'm still not sure who gets cut... Williams or Perine. Surprising they don't just trade Williams to Dallas for scraps, rather than cut. If Williams does make the team, that complicates things with Estime - then they'd split early down work and goal line.

The Broncos threw more to Rbs than any team last year, so clearly Payton wants a Kamara type player. McLaughlin seems to be the best candidate for that job with excellent metrics last year and if he is Peyton's chosen one - could have 60+ receptions, if not more depending how successful they are. Bo Nix loved the short passes in college which helps and possibly why Payton drafted him.

At this point in the cluster-mess, I'm leaning McLaughlin. Even if Williams is gone, I want the guy getting consistent receptions. And the adp is dirt cheap.

[weepaws 3,112]

All of them have great adp.  Going to change some when it becomes a little more clear who’s going to be on the team.  

[Ray_T 731]

It is still early, but Javonte had himself a nice rookie season, but when you tear multiple ligaments in the knee its a tougher recovery than just a plain old ACL tear.

To be frank I didnt like him at all last year as I felt not enough time had passed for the knee to be where it needed to be.   but he needs to step up this year.  I think he can, but its one of those wait and see things.

At the end of the day if he cant beat out Perine, his career is likely done.

[weepaws 3,112]

Sad situation for Javonte.  

[Super Cubs 153]

I think Javonte will be fine.  The year after his type of injury always seems to be a struggle. Year 2 is usually the bounce back year. I'm honestly not expecting much out of Denver and see no  need to cut him until they can see what they actually have.

[gcmmidwest 149]

With a rookie QB I see lots of dump offs 

[GobbleDog 948]

7 hours ago, Ray_T said:

At the end of the day if he cant beat out Perine, his career is likely done.

The Bronco's reporter said Williams and Perine were fighting for one roster spot... which I guess is true. But Williams is likely competing against Estime. Needs to prove he can be a more effective runner and vastly improve on his poor passing blocking - which Perine supposedly does well.

That's the big knock on McLaughlin... impressive metrics with elusiveness, breakaways, and yards created, etc. but his pass-blocking supposedly stunk which is why he was hardly on the field during most passing-blocking plays. Not surprising at 5'8" 187 lbs.

'23 Pass-block snap count:  Perine (52), Williams (43), McLaughlin (5)

[Ray_T 731]

20 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

The Bronco's reporter said Williams and Perine were fighting for one roster spot... which I guess is true. But Williams is likely competing against Estime. Needs to prove he can be a more effective runner and vastly improve on his poor passing blocking - which Perine supposedly does well.

That's the big knock on McLaughlin... impressive metrics with elusiveness, breakaways, and yards created, etc. but his pass-blocking supposedly stunk which is why he was hardly on the field during most passing-blocking plays. Not surprising at 5'8" 187 lbs.

'23 Pass-block snap count:  Perine (52), Williams (43), McLaughlin (5)

I read that article and it actually looks like speculation and click bait.

yes he didnt have a good year last season, but we also know he was recovering from an ACL tear where other ligaments were damaged too.   that takes longer to recover from I suspect. (at least it should)  the second ligament damaged will naturally affect the rehab.

I was avoiding him at the draft table last year for this very reason.

I do agree if he cant turn it around this year, it may not end up happening but it might be too early to write him off

[GobbleDog 948]

8 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I read that article and it actually looks like speculation and click bait.

Even if the article is bs and both Williams - Perine make the roster... that only complicates the fantasy world. In all probability, the Broncos aren't resigning Williams next year which probably means a Williams/Estime committee. Along with a 4-way split of receptions.

The Broncos threw more passes to Rbs than any team last year. It's Payton's thing and with Bo Nix (short-pass guru) it's going to happen again. Would be nice if they weren't spread so thin among all the Rbs.

[Ray_T 731]

46 minutes ago, GobbleDog said:

Even if the article is bs and both Williams - Perine make the roster... that only complicates the fantasy world. In all probability, the Broncos aren't resigning Williams next year which probably means a Williams/Estime committee. Along with a 4-way split of receptions.

The Broncos threw more passes to Rbs than any team last year. It's Payton's thing and with Bo Nix (short-pass guru) it's going to happen again. Would be nice if they weren't spread so thin among all the Rbs.

I think honestly its all about how he performs.

last year his burst didnt seem good at all.   but I also wasnt expecting it to be.   thats one of the last things to return when you injure your ACL.   and given that he damaged other ligaments too I'm not surprised.

but at this point if he goes into camp and still has no burst, they will likely turf him if they think he cannot recover from the injury.

ACL isnt a career killer like it once was, but when you combine it with other injuries within the knee it can still kill a career.   but with ligaments its so subjective.  in talking with a doctor friend of mine he says there are a number of factors that affect how the ligament heals and we dont get access to that information through the press.  all we hear is that its a torn ACL/MCL/PCL (or whatever).   so there is no way of knowing, but the team knows and their doctors are on it (at least I would assume they are)

this is one of those where I'd look at the camp reports.  if you hear reports that his burst still isnt back, that would be concerning.   but if you hear hes looking good, I'd consider moving him up your board.   Sadly this doesnt help you if you are drafting this week but it may help those who are drafting closer to the start of the season when most drafts are done.

[weepaws 3,112]

Looks like a situation to avoid. 

[kcBlitzkrieg 29]

Javonte isn't getting cut.  

[weepaws 3,112]

Messy situation. 

[Ray_T 731]

4 hours ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

Javonte isn't getting cut.  

today's press release suggests you might be right.   dude took off some weight in the offseason and is in shape.   apparently he looks a lot quicker.

thats no guarantee he will be better but it definitely tilts the odds in his favor

[Maximum Overkill 1,646]

38 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

today's press release suggests you might be right.   dude took off some weight in the offseason and is in shape.   apparently he looks a lot quicker.

thats no guarantee he will be better but it definitely tilts the odds in his favor

Traded perhaps. 

[Ray_T 731]

1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Traded perhaps. 

perhaps, but you need someone on the roster to start and I dont see anyone else on the roster I like.   unless they think they can sign a free agent.  ( I think there are a couple)

[Maximum Overkill 1,646]

Training camp is the worst for Fantasy managers. Everything is great, everything is wonderful, etc. Estime is obviously the Thunder, who's lightning? Are Javonte and McLaughlin going to share the same role? 

I think it's going to be ugly for Fantasy purposes. Any one of these backs could be the teams RB1 or RB3. Who knows? 

The only thing that I do know is that Estime has a roll and a unique skill set from the others. Javonte and McLaughlin are going to fight it out. 

[GobbleDog 948]

One more cog in this mess.... undrafted free-agent Blake Watson. Started at Old Dominion as Wr, before switching to Rb and later transfers to Memphis. Might've been drafted if not been snubbed by combine. Solid rushing in college, but specialty is receptions being a former Wr. And of course Payton loves to throw to Rbs. Only 5'9" 189 lbs, but fast as hell. Needs a great camp to make roster, but Payton was talking up his receiving skills and "high football iq" during OTAs last month.

[gcmmidwest 149]

2 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

One more cog in this mess.... undrafted free-agent Blake Watson. Started at Old Dominion as Wr, before switching to Rb and later transfers to Memphis. Might've been drafted if not been snubbed by combine. Solid rushing in college, but specialty is receptions being a former Wr. And of course Payton loves to throw to Rbs. Only 5'9" 189 lbs, but fast as hell. Needs a great camp to make roster, but Payton was talking up his receiving skills and "high football iq" during OTAs last month.

Definitely worth keeping an eye on 

[weepaws 3,112]

Lol, just what we needed, another reason to avoid this situation. 

[Maximum Overkill 1,646]

Perhaps we're overthinking it? Day two of camp, in shorts, Blake Watson, probably the first back to be released? 

[GobbleDog 948]

20 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Perhaps we're overthinking it? Day two of camp, in shorts, Blake Watson, probably the first back to be released? 

He'll be relegated to practice squad if he doesn't make the roster. Dynasty "experts" say watch out for him next year once Williams is gone, but if he has an incredible camp or injury bug hits Denver backfield... might make an appearance this year.

I've lost all faith in Williams who - 95% chance is gone next year. It's possible he returns to form off the acl (some do), or last year is just who he is now (some never get right). But now he's sharing with Estime who by late-season might get bulk of early down/goal line work if Williams hasn't improved. And based on last year, I ain't hopeful he will.

At this point, the only Denver Rb I'm interested in is lotto ticket McLaughlin. The team that throws the most to Rbs, and a guy who showed impressive elusiveness last year. With a dirt cheap 11th/12th rd adp.

[weepaws 3,112]

If you have a deeeep bench, I would be interested, not so for me, don’t see any true rb on the Broncos I would ever start.  

[Maximum Overkill 1,646]

2 hours ago, weepaws said:

If you have a deeeep bench, I would be interested, not so for me, don’t see any true rb on the Broncos I would ever start.  

Nothing but a dynasty stash if that. Not worth anything in re-draft 

[Phil Simms 11 133]

Damn, hate seeing positive news about Javonte. He’s a target of mine

[Ray_T 731]

22 minutes ago, Phil Simms 11 said:

Damn, hate seeing positive news about Javonte. He’s a target of mine

yeah, I did my research.   this type of injury is 2 years to fully recover.   now that hes slimmed down I think hes prime for the breakout we all were wanting.  if you can get him cheap hes a good buy I think.

[weepaws 3,112]

I think coach likes RBBC.  In my 14 team non ppr, late flyer would be Ja Williams, but rb 4.  Not interested in any of the others,  lots of frustrations.  

[pooleman 0]

Definitely a messy situation. Thunder and lightning will most likely be back. I think Javonte stays on as the primary (45% snaps), McLaughlin (40% snaps) is the passing down specialist with some series to himself. If Javonte falters or does not have a strong showing, I think Estime (15% snaps initially) takes over that role. I believe Perine gets cut if I were to choose. 

[gcmmidwest 149]

3 hours ago, pooleman said:

Definitely a messy situation. Thunder and lightning will most likely be back. I think Javonte stays on as the primary (45% snaps), McLaughlin (40% snaps) is the passing down specialist with some series to himself. If Javonte falters or does not have a strong showing, I think Estime (15% snaps initially) takes over that role. I believe Perine gets cut if I were to choose. 

I agree for the most part