Charlie Hustled to the Death Pool

[Hardcore troubadour 13,735]

Jeter > Rose

[seafoam1 2,400]

Just now, thegeneral said:

What about Reds games he didn’t bet on? Why didn’t he bet on those? Did he save players for games? Did he tell others info about his team? When he gets in the hole bigly what happened?

It’s cut and dry because of things like this.

Beats me, but the MLBs proof against him does not include all that. All you can do is take the MLB's proof and not add on or you are being partial to one side. And yeah, he bet, but you can't prove he bet on anything other than what your proof said he bet on. 

[thegeneral 2,233]

Just now, seafoam1 said:

Beats me, but the MLBs proof against him does not include all that. All you can do is take the MLB's proof and not add on or you are being partial to one side. And yeah, he bet, but you can't prove he bet on anything other than what your proof said he bet on. 

This doesn’t matter. You can’t bet period. Thats the rules and they are in place for the reasons I listed above among a ton of others.

You get bounced from the sport. That’s how it works. 

[seafoam1 2,400]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

This doesn’t matter. You can’t bet period. Thats the rules and they are in place for the reasons I listed above among a ton of others.

You get bounced from the sport. That’s how it works. 

That's it. And I'm saying put it as a footnote. Or even an added storyline. But no one can dispute his game play. He's way more worthy of being in than anyone who had done steroids. Not that I know if anyone who was caught doing steroids is in or not.  

[thegeneral 2,233]

4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

That's it. And I'm saying put it as a footnote. Or even an added storyline. But no one can dispute his game play. He's way more worthy of being in than anyone who had done steroids. Not that I know if anyone who was caught doing steroids is in or not.  

That’s not how MLB does it. Honestly Rose got more out of not being in the HOF than he did if they let him in.

A stud on the field but he ruined his name.

[Mike Honcho 4,516]

15 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Beats me, but the MLBs proof against him does not include all that. All you can do is take the MLB's proof and not add on or you are being partial to one side. And yeah, he bet, but you can't prove he bet on anything other than what your proof said he bet on. 

You did, you said it was PROVEN he didn't bet, but you have no proof of that, you added on to MLB's proof to make your own conclusion.

[posty 2,433]

If Rose gets in, that will open up a “can of worms”…. Manfred is such a terrible commissioner it would not surprise me if he lifted the ban to let this degenerate in…

[seafoam1 2,400]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

That’s not how MLB does it. Honestly Rose got more out of not being in the HOF than he did if they let him in.

A stud on the field but he ruined his name.

He died with a nete worth of like $3M. He was one of the best in the history of baseball. He should have been honored to the HOF while he was alive. It doesn't matter anymore anyway. A lot of really bad guys are in the HOF. In my opinion, the stories should be told of the best actual players who were not gooped up on drugs. 

It doesn't matter, I'll never go to the HOF unless I happen to be in Cooperstown for some reason. 

[seafoam1 2,400]

6 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

You did, you said it was PROVEN he didn't bet, but you have no proof of that, you added on to MLB's proof to make your own conclusion.

It was proven by the MLBs "proof". Meaning they don't have any. A person isn't guilty unless there is proof. That's how it works. 

[easilyscan 640]

I respect his talent & hustle, but when you break the rules, there has to be consequences.

 

 

[thegeneral 2,233]

1 minute ago, seafoam1 said:

He died with a nete worth of like $3M. He was one of the best in the history of baseball. He should have been honored to the HOF while he was alive. It doesn't matter anymore anyway. A lot of really bad guys are in the HOF. In my opinion, the stories should be told of the best actual players who were not gooped up on drugs. 

It doesn't matter, I'll never go to the HOF unless I happen to be in Cooperstown for some reason. 

Pete and half the league were all hopped up on “greenies” if using drugs is your deal breaker. 

In any case betting on the game is fundamental to the whole sport, this is why it is an auto ban. They all know this, it’s black and white and that’s why he’s not in.  That he lied about it forever does make him a dirtbag. But yeah that’s not disqualifying. 

[Thornton Melon 578]

Fock him

[Mike Honcho 4,516]

So I always thought that if a player was permanently banned like Shoeless Joe they were ineligible for the HOF, but apparently, that rule didn't come into existence until Rose.
 

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How could someone permanently banned from baseball be given baseball’s greatest honor? In 1990, stories began to emerge that Rose might be removed from the Hall of Fame ballot. The BBWAA was outraged about it. Rose fans were outraged about it. But it was a fait accompli. The Hall of Fame had a vote among its own committee, and it was decided that nobody who has been permanently banned from the game would appear on the Hall of Fame ballot.

Edward Stack, the Hall of Fame director, made it sound like it was purely a coincidence.

“We’re cleaning up our rules of election,” he said. “This is probably something that should have been done years ago. … I don’t remember (Rose’s) name being specifically mentioned. Pete Rose was not the subject of our discussion.”

 

ETA:  Just read that Joe Jackson did appear on HOF ballots in 1936 and only got two votes.  

[HellToupee 1,100]

wasn’t a fan

 

[Gepetto 1,149]

WTFFFFFFFFFF

He hit the ball more than anyone else ever.

Gambling, blah blah blah.

What did he die of?

That's what I want to know when somebody dies.

[Tree of Knowledge 1,288]

14 hours ago, Gepetto said:

WTFFFFFFFFFF

He hit the ball more than anyone else ever.

Gambling, blah blah blah.

What did he die of?

That's what I want to know when somebody dies.

Sounds like a heart attack.  Apparently he had been having lots of heart issues the past few years that were kept on down low.  He was found dead in his home.  

[Fireballer 2,556]

 

[RLLD 3,803]

On 9/30/2024 at 7:45 PM, cmh6476 said:

Needs to be in the hall now

Part of me thinks it HAS to happen, and then another thinks about how people like Shoeless Joe were fully focked over, and then I think about the MLB in general....and I start to consider that they would have to be alot less stupid to do it, and that is unlikely. 

[Tree of Knowledge 1,288]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Part of me thinks it HAS to happen, and then another thinks about how people like Shoeless Joe were fully focked over, and then I think about the MLB in general....and I start to consider that they would have to be alot less stupid to do it, and that is unlikely. 

I look at it as the HOF is missing pieces that help to tell the full story of baseball.  As it stands now, the HOF is the missing some of its most famous stars.  Shoeless Joe, Rose, Bonds, Clemens are all historically worthy players but can’t get in for various reasons. Ty Cobb was an a-hole by anyone’s account, but he is in the HOF.  There are guys from the  steroid era we all suspect juiced but did not get popped that are in the HOF. The process is flawed. I say let them in but there should be some type of notation.  Bonds and Clemens were both HOF players without the juice.