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Not a cowboy fan but wouldn't it of been better to save a 1/4 billion and start cooper rush?

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I"m a Cowboys fan, yes it would be...

He has a 5-1 record as a starter in his career.

When they went 12-5 and sent Tom Brady into retirement in 2022, he went 4-1 as a starter after Dak was injured in the season opening loss to Tampa Bay. Everyone thought the season was over but Cooper Rush saved it.

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1 hour ago, polecatt said:

I"m a Cowboys fan, yes it would be...

He has a 5-1 record as a starter in his career.

When they went 12-5 and sent Tom Brady into retirement in 2022, he went 4-1 as a starter after Dak was injured in the season opening loss to Tampa Bay. Everyone thought the season was over but Cooper Rush saved it.

I was a cowboys fan at one point in my life.   still like them but dont love them like I once did.   I felt Dak was overhyped and overrated.   he was always a good, but not great QB.  put up great stats against weak teams and weak defenses.   but against good teams with good Defenses he leaves a lot to be desired.

do I think hes overpaid?   Hell yeah.

do I think the Boys will regret this contract.    for sure.

but he will still continue to be mediocre and occasionally great against weaker opposition.  but the Line is not what it was, so he will have a harder time than hes had in the past to accomplish this goal

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23 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

 I felt Dak was overhyped and overrated.   he was always a good, but not great QB.  put up great stats against weak teams and weak defenses.   but against good teams with good Defenses he leaves a lot to be desired.

 

That's an excellent description of him as a player.

Good but not great. He doesn't have any big strengths or weaknesses as a QB, he's decent all around the board, but not great anywhere.

The one thing though, he doesn't seem to handle pressure well at all. That's not good for a franchise QB.

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3 hours ago, polecatt said:

That's an excellent description of him as a player.

Good but not great. He doesn't have any big strengths or weaknesses as a QB, he's decent all around the board, but not great anywhere.

The one thing though, he doesn't seem to handle pressure well at all. That's not good for a franchise QB.

no, but he landed on a team that had the best O line in the league (or one of the best) and that covered up this flaw.   Line is getting old now and not what it was.  so now the cracks in the armor are starting to show. (so to speak)

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5 hours ago, Ray_T said:

no, but he landed on a team that had the best O line in the league (or one of the best) and that covered up this flaw.   Line is getting old now and not what it was.  so now the cracks in the armor are starting to show. (so to speak)

The thing is, he's still basically the same QB he was as a rookie. He's not really improved that much. Maybe he's a little bit more polished, but you just don't see the improvement you would hope for in a QB that's been a starter for nearly a decade. As a 4th round draft pick, that unexpectedly got thrust into the starting role from day one, he was exceptional but now, he's just a slightly above average QB.

The OL has usually been one of the best in the NFL, but there have been a few times when it was shaky, and he struggled. Same thing with the WRs. That's why they traded for Amari Cooper in the middle of the season a while back.

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3 hours ago, polecatt said:

The thing is, he's still basically the same QB he was as a rookie. He's not really improved that much. Maybe he's a little bit more polished, but you just don't see the improvement you would hope for in a QB that's been a starter for nearly a decade. As a 4th round draft pick, that unexpectedly got thrust into the starting role from day one, he was exceptional but now, he's just a slightly above average QB.

The OL has usually been one of the best in the NFL, but there have been a few times when it was shaky, and he struggled. Same thing with the WRs. That's why they traded for Amari Cooper in the middle of the season a while back.

I get it.  but thats not fixing the core of the problem.   They need young blood on the O line.  this is the beginning of a longer slide for this line.    they have actually been dominated in a couple of games and I havent seen that often in the recent past.   so my fear is that they are now only average now.   (not sure I'd label them below average quite yet)   when the line doesnt work everything else in the offense doesnt work as effectively.   Run game isnt what it was either  and hasnt been great for a couple years now.

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48 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I get it.  but thats not fixing the core of the problem.   They need young blood on the O line.  this is the beginning of a longer slide for this line.    they have actually been dominated in a couple of games and I havent seen that often in the recent past.   so my fear is that they are now only average now.   (not sure I'd label them below average quite yet)   when the line doesnt work everything else in the offense doesnt work as effectively.   Run game isnt what it was either  and hasnt been great for a couple years now.

That's a big part of the issue with the OL, they're starting a bunch of young guys and they're playing out of the position they're normally used to.

The right side of the line, with Martin, as good as Guard as there has been in the NFL for the past decade, and Steele at RT, who is a solid veteran.

Then on the left, you have a rookie at LT who switched from RT, and at LG, You have Tyler Smith, who has played 2 seasons but has shifted from LT to LG, and at C Cooper Beebe, another rookie, who switched from Guard. So they're quite a bit of a work in progress, but all are very talented.

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well, usually when players on the line get old, they start have troubles staying healthy.   I suspect this is some of what we are seeing.  when guys are playing out of position, thats usually to cover up holes due to injury or just holes in the lineup in general.

I agree, they have a couple young guys in there, but I would guess another needs to be taken in the top 2 or 3 rounds next season

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I think more than anything they just have a bunch of raw, young talent at OL and they're kind of mix and matching what they have vs what they need. More than anything they just need some experience at the pro level and learn to work together as a unit.

They will definitely have to keep drafting some OL though. Zack Martin isn't gonna be around much longer and Steele isn't irreplaceable.

I think that's just something every team should do though, is regularly draft OL.

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On 10/19/2024 at 11:55 AM, polecatt said:

I think that's just something every team should do though, is regularly draft OL

true.   

even if there is no history of injury, you likely want a good developmental player waiting in the wings to step in when injury hits

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Dak Prescott is one of many examples of why I always say that teams pay QB's too much money.  The NFL has brainwashed people into thinking that "decent" QB's are "franchise QB's" who need to be paid.  The fear is always, "but who else are we going to get".  It's all b.s.  There is literally only 1,2, or 3 (maybe as many as 4 or 5 at one time), legitimate "Franchise QB's" in league at any one point in time.  Right now, there's 1, Mahomes.  A "Franchise" QB is someone who can carry your team over better teams the majority of the time, or be the reason your team is better than everyone else.  THAT's a franchise QB.  There are maybe 5 QB's that I think are better than everyone else... off the top of my head, it's Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, and (maybe Herbert).  There's like 2 or 3 (maybe?), that completely suck... Watson, Young and (maybe someone else).  After that, there's a few unknowns and like 15 to 20 guys that are the virtually the same guy.  You put literally any one of 25 starters on the say, Minnesota, odds are that teams is no worse than 4-2 and possibly 6-0.

Yet, there's teams will spend tons of money on "guys", because "who else are they going to get?".  Well, look around.  I mean, it's practically anyone who's competent.  If Tampa offered Mayfield a 3 yr/$45M deal and he said "no thanks", then they went out and signed Sam Darnold for 3 years $30M... are they worse than 4-2 right now?  The answer is "No".  Instead, moron's will tell you that the 3 yr/$110M investment was great... just like the same moron's who said that about Daniel Jones, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence.  The Dolphins are 2-4 right now.  If I had a time machine and went back in time and convinced the Dolphins to no-resign Tua just yet, but give Andy Dalton or Joe Flacco $10M this year and hit "play" and jump back to today, I'd be willing to bet a years salary that the Dolphins would at worst, be 3-3 (probably 4-2), right now and feel better about their QB situation.  But, because "who else are they going to get" was a fear they had, their backup heading into the season, was Skylar Thompson.  With Tua's medical history, the Dolphins felt that Skylar Thompson was a viable option to keep their season afloat if anything were to happen to Tua, for some unknown reason.  My guess is that the reason was that they had too much money wrapped up in the QB room already, that they couldn't find money elsewhere and just gambled with it.

I think that if teams took a more judicial approach to the QB position like they do all other positions, they'd find themselves less dependent on the individual QB.  Outside of Brady and Mahomes (actual "Franchise QB's"), the majority of the QB's represented in the final four/Super Bowl in the last 10+/15 years, have been QB's on either rookie or cheaper contracts.  You'll find that teams have less success after "paying" With the league being more passer friendly, a more ideal move would be to build your team like an 80's/90's team would.  Stock up on the trenches.  Protect your QB to give him time and give him weapons, "decent" QB's look a lot better... see Mayfield, Darnold, and Tua.  Don't give them any help and look what happens... see D. Jones and Lawrence.

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1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Dak Prescott is one of many examples of why I always say that teams pay QB's too much money.  The NFL has brainwashed people into thinking that "decent" QB's are "franchise QB's" who need to be paid.  The fear is always, "but who else are we going to get".  It's all b.s.  There is literally only 1,2, or 3 (maybe as many as 4 or 5 at one time), legitimate "Franchise QB's" in league at any one point in time.  Right now, there's 1, Mahomes.  A "Franchise" QB is someone who can carry your team over better teams the majority of the time, or be the reason your team is better than everyone else.  THAT's a franchise QB.  There are maybe 5 QB's that I think are better than everyone else... off the top of my head, it's Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, and (maybe Herbert).  There's like 2 or 3 (maybe?), that completely suck... Watson, Young and (maybe someone else).  After that, there's a few unknowns and like 15 to 20 guys that are the virtually the same guy.  You put literally any one of 25 starters on the say, Minnesota, odds are that teams is no worse than 4-2 and possibly 6-0.

Yet, there's teams will spend tons of money on "guys", because "who else are they going to get?".  Well, look around.  I mean, it's practically anyone who's competent.  If Tampa offered Mayfield a 3 yr/$45M deal and he said "no thanks", then they went out and signed Sam Darnold for 3 years $30M... are they worse than 4-2 right now?  The answer is "No".  Instead, moron's will tell you that the 3 yr/$110M investment was great... just like the same moron's who said that about Daniel Jones, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence.  The Dolphins are 2-4 right now.  If I had a time machine and went back in time and convinced the Dolphins to no-resign Tua just yet, but give Andy Dalton or Joe Flacco $10M this year and hit "play" and jump back to today, I'd be willing to bet a years salary that the Dolphins would at worst, be 3-3 (probably 4-2), right now and feel better about their QB situation.  But, because "who else are they going to get" was a fear they had, their backup heading into the season, was Skylar Thompson.  With Tua's medical history, the Dolphins felt that Skylar Thompson was a viable option to keep their season afloat if anything were to happen to Tua, for some unknown reason.  My guess is that the reason was that they had too much money wrapped up in the QB room already, that they couldn't find money elsewhere and just gambled with it.

I think that if teams took a more judicial approach to the QB position like they do all other positions, they'd find themselves less dependent on the individual QB.  Outside of Brady and Mahomes (actual "Franchise QB's"), the majority of the QB's represented in the final four/Super Bowl in the last 10+/15 years, have been QB's on either rookie or cheaper contracts.  You'll find that teams have less success after "paying" With the league being more passer friendly, a more ideal move would be to build your team like an 80's/90's team would.  Stock up on the trenches.  Protect your QB to give him time and give him weapons, "decent" QB's look a lot better... see Mayfield, Darnold, and Tua.  Don't give them any help and look what happens... see D. Jones and Lawrence.

Yes indeed! You could say the bus driver QB is making a come back of sorts.

It was bound to happen I suppose. I think as much as anything, we're just coming out of an era that had exceptional QB play. Probably the greatest in NFL history. This certainly led to teams over valuing the QB position like we see today.

As teams see overpaid and overhyped QBs like Dak get spanked by journeymen and washed up QBs more and more, they will reign it in a little

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3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Dak Prescott is one of many examples of why I always say that teams pay QB's too much money.  The NFL has brainwashed people into thinking that "decent" QB's are "franchise QB's" who need to be paid.  The fear is always, "but who else are we going to get".  It's all b.s.  There is literally only 1,2, or 3 (maybe as many as 4 or 5 at one time), legitimate "Franchise QB's" in league at any one point in time.  Right now, there's 1, Mahomes.  A "Franchise" QB is someone who can carry your team over better teams the majority of the time, or be the reason your team is better than everyone else.  THAT's a franchise QB.  There are maybe 5 QB's that I think are better than everyone else... off the top of my head, it's Mahomes, Jackson, Allen, Burrow, and (maybe Herbert).  There's like 2 or 3 (maybe?), that completely suck... Watson, Young and (maybe someone else).  After that, there's a few unknowns and like 15 to 20 guys that are the virtually the same guy.  You put literally any one of 25 starters on the say, Minnesota, odds are that teams is no worse than 4-2 and possibly 6-0.

Yet, there's teams will spend tons of money on "guys", because "who else are they going to get?".  Well, look around.  I mean, it's practically anyone who's competent.  If Tampa offered Mayfield a 3 yr/$45M deal and he said "no thanks", then they went out and signed Sam Darnold for 3 years $30M... are they worse than 4-2 right now?  The answer is "No".  Instead, moron's will tell you that the 3 yr/$110M investment was great... just like the same moron's who said that about Daniel Jones, Tua, and Trevor Lawrence.  The Dolphins are 2-4 right now.  If I had a time machine and went back in time and convinced the Dolphins to no-resign Tua just yet, but give Andy Dalton or Joe Flacco $10M this year and hit "play" and jump back to today, I'd be willing to bet a years salary that the Dolphins would at worst, be 3-3 (probably 4-2), right now and feel better about their QB situation.  But, because "who else are they going to get" was a fear they had, their backup heading into the season, was Skylar Thompson.  With Tua's medical history, the Dolphins felt that Skylar Thompson was a viable option to keep their season afloat if anything were to happen to Tua, for some unknown reason.  My guess is that the reason was that they had too much money wrapped up in the QB room already, that they couldn't find money elsewhere and just gambled with it.

I think that if teams took a more judicial approach to the QB position like they do all other positions, they'd find themselves less dependent on the individual QB.  Outside of Brady and Mahomes (actual "Franchise QB's"), the majority of the QB's represented in the final four/Super Bowl in the last 10+/15 years, have been QB's on either rookie or cheaper contracts.  You'll find that teams have less success after "paying" With the league being more passer friendly, a more ideal move would be to build your team like an 80's/90's team would.  Stock up on the trenches.  Protect your QB to give him time and give him weapons, "decent" QB's look a lot better... see Mayfield, Darnold, and Tua.  Don't give them any help and look what happens... see D. Jones and Lawrence.

good post.

 

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Rush looked better when he came in... actually gave them a chance but wr's couldn't catch a ball even though it hit there hands ... including lamb

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His hamstring injury is more serious than they thought.

Sounds like he's going on IR

 

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Sounds like Dak is done for the year. Going to have surgery on his hamstring...

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1855353678145761315

"Cowboys QB Dak Prescott is planning to undergo season-ending surgery on his partially torn hamstring, pending the opinion of one final specialist, sources told ESPN.
 
Prescott is flying to New York to meet with the specialist, but Cowboys doctors already believe he needs the surgery that would sideline him four months."

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Wonder if Lance will ever get a shot now that the season appears lost? If Rush can get them back in the race, then sure, he’s the guy. But what if he can’t? Do they see what they have or don’t have in Lance?

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On 11/9/2024 at 4:14 PM, Chickie said:

Wonder if Lance will ever get a shot now that the season appears lost? If Rush can get them back in the race, then sure, he’s the guy. But what if he can’t? Do they see what they have or don’t have in Lance?

Dallas has thrown in the towel. Time to give Lance a look see.

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15 hours ago, Chickie said:

Dallas has thrown in the towel. Time to give Lance a look see.

I agree ... it's back to preseason for them ...Parsons is beyond frustrated... McCarthy has lost control... There horrible....,but all and all there still all professionals that will upset sum teams this year and for that reason I'm cautious at gambling 

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