A woman's right to choose

[jbycho 164]

8 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Your people imply that every abortion is one of convenience. Both tactics are stupid.

We are talking about the majority. And, I don't have "people". 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,361]

17 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Oh poor you.  Pathetic.   

Go yourself, fake Christian.

[jbycho 164]

11 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I married and had my children on purpose.  Not everyone has that same luxury though.

I already defined them.  If you can't find the posts on here I'm pretty sure you know how Google works.

So you didn't have accident kids that you wished to abort? How in the world is that possible? And how is not allowing yourself to not get pregnant a "luxury"?

[Alias Detective 1,306]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

That you old dumbasses can’t figure out why women would be upset about this is hilarious

States rights.  
 

Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and an abortion - signed libs.

[Hawkeye21 2,190]

Just now, jbycho said:

So you didn't have accident kids that you wished to abort? How in the world is that possible? And how is not allowing yourself to not get pregnant a "luxury"?

No, I didn't.  I do remember hooking up with a chick in college once and the condom broke.  That had me worried for a while.  Shite happens.

[Nomad99 631]

2 hours ago, peenie said:

No one forced anyone to get a vaccination. YES THEY DID...OR YOU LOST YOUR JOB & LIVELYHOOD If you didn't want to get it, then don't, but you can't go around unvaccinated if you want to go to work with others that want to be as safe as possible VACCINATIONS DIDN'T STOP YOU FROM CARRYING OR TRANSMITTING can't go to school without being vaccinated either. You weren't bothered about getting your measles, mumps, rubella or polio vaccines now were you? THEY WEREN'T MANDATED

 

[Alias Detective 1,306]

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I have the ability to put my opinions aside and try to understand why someone has their opinion.  I take it you don't like the phrase, "walk a mile in their shoes."

What states have outlawed abortion?

[Hawkeye21 2,190]

Just now, Alias Detective said:

What states have outlawed abortion?

I didn't say any states have outlawed abortion.

[thegeneral 2,453]

3 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

States rights.  
 

Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness and an abortion - signed libs.

Now why would a woman be motivated to vote on this

[Alias Detective 1,306]

1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said:

I didn't say any states have outlawed abortion.

What’s your abortion beef then?  Do you know what’s going on?

[jvrine 1]

24 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

you think women can get women pregnant

 

This is the kind of logic that lost you the election :hyper:

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,018]

Just now, jvrine said:

This is the kind of logic that lost you the election :hyper:

logic? you think men can be women, hows that for your logic?

 

[jvrine 1]

Just now, RaiderHaters Revenge said:

logic? you think men can be women, hows that for your logic?

 

President Harris says what

[Alias Detective 1,306]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Now why would a woman be motivated to vote on this

Because they don’t realize Trump is giving the call to their state.  Like it’s supposed to be.

[RaiderHaters Revenge 4,018]

Just now, jvrine said:

President Harris says what

all illegals and people in jail should get free gender surgeries and you should pay for them

 

[Hawkeye21 2,190]

1 minute ago, Alias Detective said:

What’s your abortion beef then?  Do you know what’s going on?

I don't have a beef. I was saying that women feel their freedom of choice is being taken away.  A lot of women have bought into the liberal propaganda that Trump will take away their rights.  I was explaining how I can understand why they are upset if that's what they actually believe is going to happen.

My understanding is that Trump wants to leave abortion laws up to the states and I don't have an issue with that.

[thegeneral 2,453]

12 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Because they don’t realize Trump is giving the call to their state.  Like it’s supposed to be.

Yeah they realize that is what the SC judges he picked did. That’s the point. 

[Hardcore troubadour 14,069]

You would think the fathers here would be more concerned with their sons being sent off to war than their daughters being able to get a late term abortion. But here we are. TDS man. Makes you stupid. And a cuck 

[MLCKAA 505]

Not reading through all of these.  Apologies if this has already been discussed.

 I have noticed the term “reproductive rights” seems to have been abandoned.  When it was popular, I often questioned what men’s reproductive rights were.  If a man wants to abort and the woman doesn’t, does he have a right?  If a woman wants to abort and the man doesn’t, does he have a right?

[jbycho 164]

47 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Yeah they realize that is what the SC judges he picked did. That’s the point. 

I like Trump didn't pick a woman who doesn't know what a woman is. 

[jbycho 164]

17 minutes ago, MLCKAA said:

Not reading through all of these.  Apologies if this has already been discussed.

 I have noticed the term “reproductive rights” seems to have been abandoned.  When it was popular, I often questioned what men’s reproductive rights were.  If a man wants to abort and the woman doesn’t, does he have a right?  If a woman wants to abort and the man doesn’t, does he have a right?

No. 

[Cdub100 3,666]

Liberal Men - I'm voting for my daughter's rights. The right to get cream-pied and then kill the baby. To allow men pretending to be women into my daughter's spaces. To allow those same men to push my daughter out of her sports teams. To be harassed by 3rd world idiots who actually treat women like sh1t.

Focking idiots.

[jbycho 164]

4 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

Liberal Men - I'm voting for my daughter's rights. The right to get cream-pied and then kill the baby. To allow men pretending to be women into my daughter's spaces. To allow those same men to push my daughter out of her sports teams. To be harassed by 3rd world idiots who actually treat women like sh1t.

Focking idiots.

50% of the country are being raised by 50 year old teenage girls. 

[BudBro 168]

4 hours ago, peenie said:

No one forced anyone to get a vaccination. If you didn't want to get it, then don't, but you can't go around unvaccinated if you want to go to work with others that want to be as safe as possible. You can't go to school without being vaccinated either. You weren't bothered about getting your measles, mumps, rubella or polio vaccines now were you?

This is misinformation.  They were called "vaccine mandates."  Female nurses, for instance, were forced to get the "vaccine" to keep their jobs.  Thus, their ability to make their own healthcare choice was removed by the Biden/Harris administration.  The "my body, my choice" mantra ended then. 

[Fnord 1,655]

1 minute ago, BudBro said:

This is misinformation.  They were called "vaccine mandates."  Female nurses, for instance, were forced to get the "vaccine" to keep their jobs.  Thus, their ability to make their own healthcare choice was removed by the Biden/Harris administration.  The "my body, my choice" mantra ended then. 

The administration did not do that, their employers did. You know, to protect the sick people the nurses (not just females) were caring for. That's the big difference. 

[Cdub100 3,666]

1 minute ago, BudBro said:

This is misinformation.  They were called "vaccine mandates."  Female nurses, for instance, were forced to get the "vaccine" to keep their jobs.  Thus, their ability to make their own healthcare choice was removed by the Biden/Harris administration.  The "my body, my choice" mantra ended then. 

They are trying to revise history. A lot of people are very ashamed of how they acted during covid. "Nobody forced you" is a straight-up lie. For many it didn't come to violence but a lot of liberals were foaming at the mouth to do it.

[BudBro 168]

1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said:

My understanding is that Trump wants to leave abortion laws up to the states and I don't have an issue with that.

The abortion topic has been turned over to the states by the Supreme Court.  Abortion is alive and well.  One can travel to my state, for instance, and we will kill your child right up to the time he or she is being born.  Progressive thinking, for sure.  If one had the opportunity to ask the child his opinion, I'm sure that 100% of the girls and boys would choose to "give it a go" instead of being killed.

[jbycho 164]

3 minutes ago, Fnord said:

The administration did not do that, their employers did. You know, to protect the sick people the nurses (not just females) were caring for. That's the big difference. 

It was all businesses. And they all mandated getting the shot. Fauci anyone?.

[BudBro 168]

1 minute ago, Fnord said:

The administration did not do that, their employers did. You know, to protect the sick people the nurses (not just females) were caring for. That's the big difference. 

Good effort at obfuscation.  The admin mandated to the states, who mandated to employers.  Why cover for it? 

[Hawkeye21 2,190]

1 minute ago, BudBro said:

The abortion topic has been turned over to the states by the Supreme Court.  Abortion is alive and well.  One can travel to my state, for instance, and we will kill your child right up to the time he or she is being born.  Progressive thinking, for sure.  If one had the opportunity to ask the child his opinion, I'm sure that 100% of the girls and boys would choose to "give it a go" instead of being killed.

You want to ask a clump of cells it’s opinion?

[Hardcore troubadour 14,069]

Men don’t have the right to chose not to be drafted. 

[BudBro 168]

3 minutes ago, Cdub100 said:

They are trying to revise history. A lot of people are very ashamed of how they acted during covid. "Nobody forced you" is a straight-up lie. For many it didn't come to violence but a lot of liberals were foaming at the mouth to do it.

Never forgive them, nor those who advocated for them.

[Fnord 1,655]

Just now, jbycho said:

It was all businesses. And they all mandated getting the shot. 

Which is perfectly within their rights as private organizations. 

[BudBro 168]

Just now, Hawkeye21 said:

You want to ask a clump of cells it’s opinion?

This is why topics on the this forearm turn into 50 pages.  It was pretty clearly written.

[Fnord 1,655]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Men don’t have the right to chose not to be drafted. 

Nobody has been drafted in this country for over 50 years. You're whining about shlt that literally never happens.

[jbycho 164]

Just now, Fnord said:

Which is perfectly within their rights as private organizations. 

Yeah. They were victims of Democrat fear mongering. I agree.

[TrailGuy 203]

[Hardcore troubadour 14,069]

Just now, Fnord said:

Nobody has been drafted in this country for over 50 years. You're whining about shlt that literally never happens.

Solid point. They should do away with it then.  

[Hawkeye21 2,190]

3 minutes ago, BudBro said:

This is why topics on the this forearm turn into 50 pages.  It was pretty clearly written.

It’s one of the hardest topics to talk about because there is no clear right or wrong conclusion. Nothing but opinions. 

[jerryskids 6,135]

3 hours ago, RLLD said:

Abortion is simply the last resort for birth control.   Women want to have sex, and when the natural outcome of that activity results in a baby, they would rather kill it than raise it ,to avoid the inconvenience.

This is why I support abortion.  Chances are if your inclination is to murder your offspring rather than ensure the inconvenience of raising it, you would suck as  parent.

Abortion is a societal good, we should all support, as it avoids the really bad outcomes of sluts raising children.   Therefore, supporting abortion is supporting a better society. 

I don't think it's that simple.  I view abortion somewhat like entitlements (welfare, SNAP, Medicaid, unemployment insurance, etc.) -- they only work in a society when it's members don't want them, and they are used as a last resort.  As Bill Clinton said about abortion:  safe, legal, and RARE.  That wasn't all that long ago.  But here we are, not only telling women it's no big deal if you use abortion as a replacement of birth control, but we'll make it as easy as possible including covering the cost.

IMO, a society which doesn't value it's unborn children is not long for this world.  We are already beginning to see the impacts of below-replacement birth rates -- bring in more illegal aliens$#@!

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Archaic is all these unwanted pregnancies in 2024. Technology and education hav really made it an obsolete issue if women would make use of what is available here in 2024.  

Birth control was supposed to be the great equalizer, allowing women to have sexual freedom like men.  But then that became too much of an onus...  

2 hours ago, Hawkeye21 said:

Are women asking to have the option of abortion at any time of pregnancy?  Is that what they are voting for?

Yes.  Arizona has Prop 139 (my guess is it will pass) which allows abortion until birth, and makes it a constitutional right.  So no future legislation can change it.  Here is the summary:

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This measure would amend the Arizona Constitution to establish that every individual has the fundamental right to abortion that the state of Arizona may not interfere with before the point of fetal viability. Fetal viability is defined in the measure as the point of pregnancy when there is significant chance of the survival of the fetus outside of the uterus without the application of extraordinary medical measures. The measure would also provide for the right to an abortion after fetal viability if it is done so to protect the life, physical, or mental health of the pregnant individual, in the judgment of a treating health care professional. The measure would also prohibit laws that penalize individuals for aiding or assisting a person exercising the right to an abortion.[1]

This right would not be interfered with unless justified by a compelling state interest. In the measure, a compelling state interest is defined as a law or regulation enacted for the limited purpose of improving or maintaining the health of the individual seeking abortion care that does not infringe on that individual's autonomous decision making.[1]

What is the status of abortion in Arizona?

As of 2024, abortion is legal for up to 15 weeks of pregnancy in Arizona. 

https://ballotpedia.org/Arizona_Proposition_139,_Right_to_Abortion_Initiative_(2024)

So... a woman can't just go into an abortion clinic at 32 weeks and get an abortion.  But if she tells her therapist (a health care professional) that she is super stressed and doesn't know if she can handle it, that therapist can approve it, and nobody can stop it.

Also, the actual wording says "pregnant individual" and to my knowledge does not exclude children, so since this would be a fundamental right, parental involvement would likely be eliminated.

I believe that Florida has a similar amendment on their ballot.