Taysom Hill

[rowdystylz1 6]

Hill on the wire. Dynamic but we’ve seen this before. League winner perhaps?…or fools gold?  

[easilyscan 705]

24 minutes ago, rowdystylz1 said:

Hill on the wire. Dynamic but we’ve seen this before. League winner perhaps?…or fools gold?  

Like you said, we've seen this before. He's the Christian Watson of tight ends. Play him, and he'll break your heart, bench him, and he'll do the same. 

[weepaws 2,986]

So very tough to predict how Hill will produce, he’s available in one of my leagues, but I’m not going to target him.  Good luck if you do. 

[Law 234]

Every time you play him, for weeks on end, he'll get 0-4 points. The week you can't take it and bench him, 30.

Good luck with that!

[polecatt 468]

He's a league winner if you start him at TE one of the 2 games of the season where he scores 3 TDs and catches 6 passes or something...

The rest of the season he's a league loser

[rowdystylz1 6]

16 hours ago, easilyscan said:

Like you said, we've seen this before. He's the Christian Watson of tight ends. Play him, and he'll break your heart, bench him, and he'll do the same. 

Lol. Fair enough

[rowdystylz1 6]

7 hours ago, polecatt said:

He's a league winner if you start him at TE one of the 2 games of the season where he scores 3 TDs and catches 6 passes or something...

The rest of the season he's a league loser

Seems like consensus haha

[Einstein's Dog 24]

4 hours ago, rowdystylz1 said:

Seems like consensus haha

Don't include me in that group.  T Hill is on fire. 

If  your league allows playing him at TE, someone should be picking him up.  Sure there is a variance but a lot of TEs suck. 

T Hill's ceiling is like no other.  The Saints just won using T Hill to the max, why wouldn't they try to keep it going?

[Law 234]

Does 1 game really equal "on fire?"

He's played 11 games. 3 above 10 points and 8 below (with 4 of those being 0).

And don't you think they Saints have known this for years? They know what Hill is. Heck! He's been doing this for decades!

And still, he will go back to his usual 0-5 ppg until the next huge game - currently due sometime in mid- to late-December.

 

 

[Ray_T 716]

21 hours ago, Law said:

Does 1 game really equal "on fire?"

He's played 11 games. 3 above 10 points and 8 below (with 4 of those being 0).

And don't you think they Saints have known this for years? They know what Hill is. Heck! He's been doing this for decades!

And still, he will go back to his usual 0-5 ppg until the next huge game - currently due sometime in mid- to late-December.

 

 

yeah, hes a boom or bust TE2.

if you have your #1 TE on a bye or if you have an injury, hes ok to plug in.  might help, might not.   but at least he helps some of the time.

[easilyscan 705]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Don't include me in that group.  T Hill is on fire. 

If  your league allows playing him at TE, someone should be picking him up.  Sure there is a variance but a lot of TEs suck. 

T Hill's ceiling is like no other.  The Saints just won using T Hill to the max, why wouldn't they try to keep it going?

Can't disagree with any of that. He was inactive for at least 2 of the games where he ended up with zero points, & injured early in another.

If I was in a league that allows playing him at TE & he was available, I'd be on him like a hobo on a ham sandwich!

I'd take a chance & plug him in the WR/TE flex spot & bench Tank Dell 

 

[weepaws 2,986]

He was avg 10 ppr ff points per game in his last four games before last weeks monster game.  

[weepaws 2,986]

Another plus for Hill,  team says he’s going to be a big part of the offense.  

[rowdystylz1 6]

5 hours ago, weepaws said:

Another plus for Hill,  team says he’s going to be a big part of the offense.  

Saw that, i scooped him up. Now all i have to do is move him into my lineup lol. 

[Ray_T 716]

7 hours ago, weepaws said:

Another plus for Hill,  team says he’s going to be a big part of the offense.  

they have been saying this for a couple years at least.    but I dont deny there is a lot of potential if they can unlock it.    Dude has some skills.   for now, I'd say hes one of the best (if not THE best) TE2 in fantasy football.  Not sure I'd wanna count on him week in and week out but the nice thing about him is if you have a bad fantasy matchup for your fantasy team(where u expect to lose)  you can plug him in because of his high ceiling.    if you get the downside result.....  no change.  but if you get the upside result, maybe you got a chance.

[DrG 102]

I read that the coaches were trying to finally use their unicorn now. We will see. Hill imore of a luxury for deep leagues or if you are an underdog. I start him primarily due to either being an underdog or because of injuries.

[Einstein's Dog 24]

22 hours ago, Law said:

Does 1 game really equal "on fire?"

He's played 11 games. 3 above 10 points and 8 below (with 4 of those being 0).

And don't you think they Saints have known this for years? They know what Hill is. Heck! He's been doing this for decades!

And still, he will go back to his usual 0-5 ppg until the next huge game - currently due sometime in mid- to late-December.

 

How about 3 games for "on fire"?  T Hill has had over 60 points in ppr and over 50 points in standard.  This is TE1, as in the top TE, territory.

Why are you bringing up years ago?  Much more relevant is what has recently happened.  The WRs for the Saints are depleted - Olave, Shaheed, and even Bob Means are on injured reserve.  The Saints have a new Interim coach and he has increased T Hills usage.  It has been successful.  The new interim coach says he is going to continue to use T Hill as a unicorn and will have him heavily involved.  And you find this hard to believe?

But sure, you can ignore all the recent signs that point to a potential league winner because of what happened to your FF team with Hill in 2018.

[Ray_T 716]

37 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

How about 3 games for "on fire"?  T Hill has had over 60 points in ppr and over 50 points in standard.  This is TE1, as in the top TE, territory.

Why are you bringing up years ago?  Much more relevant is what has recently happened.  The WRs for the Saints are depleted - Olave, Shaheed, and even Bob Means are on injured reserve.  The Saints have a new Interim coach and he has increased T Hills usage.  It has been successful.  The new interim coach says he is going to continue to use T Hill as a unicorn and will have him heavily involved.  And you find this hard to believe?

But sure, you can ignore all the recent signs that point to a potential league winner because of what happened to your FF team with Hill in 2018.

I think he means in terms of consistency.   Thats really the only thing this guy is lacking.   if he can consistently perform at a high level he'd for sure be a TE1.   but those goose eggs ca  n be a tough pill to swallow if hes your TE1.   That is why I have him as a top end TE2.   in a deeper league where you may have 2 TE's in your lineup, hes likely a must get player.  

[Einstein's Dog 24]

8 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I think he means in terms of consistency.   Thats really the only thing this guy is lacking.   if he can consistently perform at a high level he'd for sure be a TE1.   but those goose eggs ca  n be a tough pill to swallow if hes your TE1.   That is why I have him as a top end TE2.   in a deeper league where you may have 2 TE's in your lineup, hes likely a must get player.  

T Hill has had 16, 7, and 42 points the last 3 weeks.  For comparison, Kelce has had 20, 3, and 12.

Fantasypros ranks T Hill as the top TE for week 13!   ESPN has T Hill ranked as #5.  I have no questions about starting him over Engram.  If I had Kelce, McBride, Bowers or Kittle, it would be a tough decision.  

TE2?  In deeper leagues?  That is crazy talk.

The Saints have a depleted WR room.  They have a new Interim coach who has been increasingly using T Hill as a unicorn, been successful with it, and has said he will continue doing it.  They just gave Hill 10 targets and goal line work, and the coach says that should continue.  Sign me up.

[himmystyles 30]

6 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

T Hill has had 16, 7, and 42 points the last 3 weeks.  For comparison, Kelce has had 20, 3, and 12.

Fantasypros ranks T Hill as the top TE for week 13!   ESPN has T Hill ranked as #5.  I have no questions about starting him over Engram.  If I had Kelce, McBride, Bowers or Kittle, it would be a tough decision.  

TE2?  In deeper leagues?  That is crazy talk.

The Saints have a depleted WR room.  They have a new Interim coach who has been increasingly using T Hill as a unicorn, been successful with it, and has said he will continue doing it.  They just gave Hill 10 targets and goal line work, and the coach says that should continue.  Sign me up.

Would you roll with him over Hockenson this week in full ppr? 

[RareN64Dream 20]

2 hours ago, himmystyles said:

Would you roll with him over Hockenson this week in full ppr? 

Probably not, but not a bad question. I am debating myself if I want to start him at QB over Drake Maye or Anthony Richardson.

[RareN64Dream 20]

2 hours ago, himmystyles said:

Would you roll with him over Hockenson this week in full ppr? 

I change my mind, it seems like they are getting him much more involved. He scored 39 points in my league Week 11. I would start whoever you think will score the most points.

[Einstein's Dog 24]

2 hours ago, himmystyles said:

Would you roll with him over Hockenson this week in full ppr? 

That's a tough one, both good choices IMO.  I lean T Hill because I believe they are now in a featuring T Hill mode.

Fantasypros for ppr does have T Hill #9 with Hoch at #4,  but ESPN has Hill 5 and Hoch 9.

I would go with T Hill.  I just think the interim coach realizes featuring Hill is to his advantage.   The GM and owner paid Hill a lot of money and having Hill do something makes them look better.   Pleasing the GM and Owner is a strong motivator for an interim coach.  Further the interim coach said he was going to continue using T Hill and is playing at home.  If I were the interim coach I would be making a real effort to feature T Hill, win or lose.  While if I were the coach at Minn my only concern would be to win.

[Law 234]

12 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

How about 3 games for "on fire"?  T Hill has had over 60 points in ppr and over 50 points in standard.  This is TE1, as in the top TE, territory.

Why are you bringing up years ago?  Much more relevant is what has recently happened.  The WRs for the Saints are depleted - Olave, Shaheed, and even Bob Means are on injured reserve.  The Saints have a new Interim coach and he has increased T Hills usage.  It has been successful.  The new interim coach says he is going to continue to use T Hill as a unicorn and will have him heavily involved.  And you find this hard to believe?

But sure, you can ignore all the recent signs that point to a potential league winner because of what happened to your FF team with Hill in 2018.

Play on!

[easilyscan 705]

I'm wondering how many FF teams sat Laporta to play Hill this week ?

Fantasy football can be cruel.

[weepaws 2,986]

1 hour ago, easilyscan said:

I'm wondering how many FF teams sat Laporta to play Hill this week ?

Fantasy football can be cruel.

Indeed.  

[Gratefulegg1973 258]

15 hours ago, easilyscan said:

I'm wondering how many FF teams sat Laporta to play Hill this week ?

Fantasy football can be cruel.

I'm your huckleberry

[rowdystylz1 6]

On 11/27/2024 at 10:04 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

How about 3 games for "on fire"?  T Hill has had over 60 points in ppr and over 50 points in standard.  This is TE1, as in the top TE, territory.

Why are you bringing up years ago?  Much more relevant is what has recently happened.  The WRs for the Saints are depleted - Olave, Shaheed, and even Bob Means are on injured reserve.  The Saints have a new Interim coach and he has increased T Hills usage.  It has been successful.  The new interim coach says he is going to continue to use T Hill as a unicorn and will have him heavily involved.  And you find this hard to believe?

But sure, you can ignore all the recent signs that point to a potential league winner because of what happened to your FF team with Hill in 2018.

Fire it up!

[Drogon 14]

2 hours ago, rowdystylz1 said:

Fire it up!

Hell, I'm probably starting him as my QB over Purdy.  Purdy has a gimpy arm and weather in Buffalo probably going to be nasty.  

[weepaws 2,986]

I’ve recommended him over Hock on the little help board.  

[Ray_T 716]

On 11/27/2024 at 9:32 PM, Einstein's Dog said:

T Hill has had 16, 7, and 42 points the last 3 weeks

3 weeks is not exactly a large sample size.  there are a lot of mediocre players where at one point in the season you can take a 3 week sample and say hes consistent.

you need to look at a full season (two if you can)

there are times when you toss that out of the window, but his consistency has been erratic because his usage by his team has been inconsistent.   (at least that is part of the problem)

and if the team isnt providing consistent touches, its hard to project big things from week to week.    until I see that level out hes a spot start for me.  Granted I have Kittle, so I dont see many situations where I would start him ahead of Kittle (at least not when Kittle is healthy)

but hey you can do things how you like.  and I have found that sometimes you need to pickup a player before his reps and production become consistent.   because thats when you get him on the cheap.   if you wait for the breakout, you are paying considerably more to get that same player.

but starting him ahead of a consistent TE can be a dicey proposition still.   no doubt his upside is better than most but his floor is lower than most due to that inconsistent usage we have seen the last couple years.    This does not mean I dont like him.    but the bottom line is I dont like the way his numbers yo yo up and down.   so there are certain situations where I wouldnt start him.   thats my choice.   I fully admit that.

[weepaws 2,986]

14 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

3 weeks is not exactly a large sample size.  there are a lot of mediocre players where at one point in the season you can take a 3 week sample and say hes consistent.

you need to look at a full season (two if you can)

there are times when you toss that out of the window, but his consistency has been erratic because his usage by his team has been inconsistent.   (at least that is part of the problem)

and if the team isnt providing consistent touches, its hard to project big things from week to week.    until I see that level out hes a spot start for me.  Granted I have Kittle, so I dont see many situations where I would start him ahead of Kittle (at least not when Kittle is healthy)

but hey you can do things how you like.  and I have found that sometimes you need to pickup a player before his reps and production become consistent.   because thats when you get him on the cheap.   if you wait for the breakout, you are paying considerably more to get that same player.

but starting him ahead of a consistent TE can be a dicey proposition still.   no doubt his upside is better than most but his floor is lower than most due to that inconsistent usage we have seen the last couple years.    This does not mean I dont like him.    but the bottom line is I dont like the way his numbers yo yo up and down.   so there are certain situations where I wouldnt start him.   thats my choice.   I fully admit that.

Mmm, no I don’t think one needs to value Hill based on the whole season, Hill has avg 10 pp points per game the four games leading up to last weeks monster game, which matches Hock avg.   also the Saints lost their two starting WRs, and J Williams has been unproductive and hurt most of the season, so the season has changed, and so has the way Hill is Now being used.  

[Einstein's Dog 24]

This consistency thing seems overblown to me.  TE's are notorious for having bad games.  Within the past 5 weeks here are some of the games and points of TEs in ppr (and of course it would be even more pathetic in standard) - K Pitts 1.9, Freiermuth 3.4, Kincaid 4.4, Kmet 5.6, Likely 0, T Hoch 3.3, Gesicki 0, Njoku 3.9. M Andrews 4.2,  T Kraft 0, Goedert 5.9, C Otton 4.0, Z Ertz 1.5, LaPorta 4.9, H Henry 2.8.  So I don't see how his floor is lower than most.

The optimistic T Hill outlook is based on the new Interim coach.  The new coach has used T Hill as a scoring unicorn in the past 3 games, was successful, and said he would be doing it in the future.  And using T Hill is something both the GM and owner would like.  If you were the new coach wouldn't you be using T Hill?

There are only 5 games left.  The narrative above outlining the reasons to continue the unique monster usage out of T Hill is to great for me to pass up.

3 hours ago, Ray_T said:

3 weeks is not exactly a large sample size.  there are a lot of mediocre players where at one point in the season you can take a 3 week sample and say hes consistent.

you need to look at a full season (two if you can)

there are times when you toss that out of the window, but his consistency has been erratic because his usage by his team has been inconsistent.   (at least that is part of the problem)

and if the team isnt providing consistent touches, its hard to project big things from week to week.    until I see that level out hes a spot start for me.  Granted I have Kittle, so I dont see many situations where I would start him ahead of Kittle (at least not when Kittle is healthy)

but hey you can do things how you like.  and I have found that sometimes you need to pickup a player before his reps and production become consistent.   because thats when you get him on the cheap.   if you wait for the breakout, you are paying considerably more to get that same player.

but starting him ahead of a consistent TE can be a dicey proposition still.   no doubt his upside is better than most but his floor is lower than most due to that inconsistent usage we have seen the last couple years.    This does not mean I dont like him.    but the bottom line is I dont like the way his numbers yo yo up and down.   so there are certain situations where I wouldnt start him.   thats my choice.   I fully admit that.

 

 

[Ray_T 716]

10 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

This consistency thing seems overblown to me.  TE's are notorious for having bad games.

yes,  and the elite ones are mostly consistent.

but then those guys are long gone before the double digit rounds while Taysom would still be on the board.

This year Im able to be a lot more picky.  I got kittle and Otton as a tandem in a couple of my leagues and when you got that kind of depth a guy like Taysom doesnt make sense,  but most people are not in that situation so I guess its easy for me to talk like this.  but if you are looking at a starting TE of Goedert, then yeah, Taysom is a lovely pickup.   but Consistency and touches are the largest difference between the top TE1 guys and the lower tier TE1/TE2 players.

[Mike FF Today 705]

Welp, it seems Taysom time has come to an end for the 2024 season...

"#Saints do-it-all TE Taysom Hill, who was carted off today, is feared to have suffered a season-ending knee injury, sources say. 

No final diagnosis yet, as he’ll have an MRI to determine the severity of the injury. But feared to be significant. A tough blow."

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1863412749767705087

 

[weepaws 2,986]

And he was picked up in the one league he was available.   Tough.  

[rowdystylz1 6]

1 hour ago, Mike FF Today said:

Welp, it seems Taysom time has come to an end for the 2024 season...

"#Saints do-it-all TE Taysom Hill, who was carted off today, is feared to have suffered a season-ending knee injury, sources say. 

No final diagnosis yet, as he’ll have an MRI to determine the severity of the injury. But feared to be significant. A tough blow."

https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1863412749767705087

 

Welp

[Einstein's Dog 24]

Bummer.....gonna hold off waivering T Hill until the official resutls come in, but it does not look good.  I am going to miss the upsdie potential of Hill, now it's back to the drab 10 pts of Engram or whoever is the new waiver wire darling.

 As for the consistency of TEs, I see Kittle got.....1.7 ppr.  Hoch only 5.8.  T Hill had 9.7 on his way out.

[plasma george 61]

5 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Bummer.....gonna hold off waivering T Hill until the official resutls come in, but it does not look good.  I am going to miss the upsdie potential of Hill, now it's back to the drab 10 pts of Engram or whoever is the new waiver wire darling.

 As for the consistency of TEs, I see Kittle got.....1.7 ppr.  Hoch only 5.8.  T Hill had 9.7 on his way out.

Hoping Lawrence is OK, Engram is better with him, they also played tough Texans D.

Great Username, What was Doc Browns dog's name in 1955 ?

[TBayXXXVII 2,378]

On 12/2/2024 at 4:34 PM, plasma george said:

Hoping Lawrence is OK, Engram is better with him, they also played tough Texans D.

Great Username, What was Doc Browns dog's name in 1955 ?

Engram should be fine.  He wasn't really lighting it up with Lawrence.  I have him in 2 leagues and he gets me 8 to 12 points most weeks, which is fine.  Yeah, he had a 20 point game with Lawrence, be he also had a 1 catch 5 yard game (W1).

In Jones' 2 starts, Engram got 10 & 7 and on Sunday, he got 11.  When Lawrence left the game, Engram only had 1 catch for 3 yards.

 

Copernicus, was it not?  (even though you didn't ask me)