Bye Bye DEI

[Hardcore troubadour 14,077]

When the Eire Canal was being built they decided they didn’t want any black employees. 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

Probably true though I’m not much of an expert on the number of black people living in Pennsylvania during that time period. So why do you think that was? 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 3,369]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

No you’re wrong and your worn out example of the 50 million dead Russians is really tiresome, because there is no comparison between Affirmative Action and anything the Soviets did. Even to bring it up is just laughable. 
 

Let’s take two examples: 

EXAMPLE ONE 

A company decides it doesn’t want to have any black employees, so it doesn’t hire any. All it does is hire white people. 
 

EXAMPLE TWO

A company decides it would like to have some racial diversity and some black employees. So if and when two employees of equal ability are interviewed, one white and one black, it leans towards hiring the black employee. That being said , the vast majority of employees in the company are white and that’s probably not likely to change for years or forever. But the company is actively trying to do SOMETHING, to make an impact. 

Example One is clearly racism. Example two is not. Can you really not see the difference? You may disagree with example two, you may argue that such a program doesn’t work because it creates both bad results and resentment. Those are reasonable arguments against example two. But it’s not racism. No bigotry or discrimination is intended. 
 

 

Incorrect and a very bad analogy.  I mean, you tried but you weren't ever going to succeed in subverting the truth. 

DEI is sanctioned racism - no better than the Jim Crow laws you Democrats wrote in the early 20th century.  But don't worry, the Republicans are going to get rid of DEI just like they did those Jim Crowe laws. 

[The Real timschochet 5,170]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

When the Eire Canal was being built they decided they didn’t want any black employees. 

Looked it up and apparently you’re wrong: 

https://www.syracuse.com/living/2022/02/syracuses-first-black-resident-paid-80-for-his-own-freedom-helped-dig-the-erie-canal.html?outputType=amp

[Hardcore troubadour 14,077]

3 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Looked it up and apparently you’re wrong: 

https://www.syracuse.com/living/2022/02/syracuses-first-black-resident-paid-80-for-his-own-freedom-helped-dig-the-erie-canal.html?outputType=amp

One guy.  The point was they didn’t use slaves. Slaves had value.  The Irish didn’t.  Now let’s do New Orleans.  Lots of dead Irish there too.  Just roll em in the swamp. Gators will take care of it.  

[Voltaire 4,897]

Racism existed 250 years ago, it also existed as recently as 60 years ago. While the rest of the country has moved on, or would like to, the left is trapped in the same mentality as 1964- a time when most everyone of good conscience agreed there was validity in the civil rights movement. Their arguments are not only stale in 2024 but laughably absurd to anybody who wasn't born yet in 1964 and its especially pernicious in the overreach against whites and asians these last few years with BLM and DEI added to Affirmative Action with the left's obsessive Identity politics race conscious bullsh*t.

[Mike Hunt 171]

11 hours ago, Voltaire said:

Racism existed 250 years ago, it also existed as recently as 60 years ago. While the rest of the country has moved on, or would like to, the left is trapped in the same mentality as 1964- a time when most everyone of good conscience agreed there was validity in the civil rights movement. Their arguments are not only stale in 2024 but laughably absurd to anybody who wasn't born yet in 1964 and its especially pernicious in the overreach against whites and asians these last few years with BLM and DEI added to Affirmative Action with the left's obsessive Identity politics race conscious bullsh*t.

It took some time but as we have seen in the last elections everywhere "Identity Politics" is a failing ideology.  Dems need to find a new direction right away or they will slowly start to lose everywhere.   As hard as it is to believe even California lost in terms of % voting Dem.  With Hispanics shift toward the middle and right Dems need to change or lose more

[Frozenbeernuts 1,878]

15 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I doesn't matter what the "intent" was.  In practice it was straight up racism.  So is DEI but DEI is more overt and not afraid to brag about being racist against whites.  Y'know, the same way whites USED to be against blacks 100 years ago or more.  You see, these programs are about revenge and power, not making things equal.  Go talk to the whites in Appalachia and report back to us on how blacks are being left behind because of this imaginary racism boogeyman.

The "intent" behind Communism was to make everyone equal and we know how that actually went in practice with over 50 million dead Russians. 

It's not about revenge because it's white people (or white skinned people with a certain religious bent) who ultimately are pushing this. It's about control. Control through masses and weaken the strongest single demographic in the world, the white male American.

[Baker Boy 1,647]

16 hours ago, TimHauck said:

Of people being racist against blacks?  Is that all you’re asking for?

You posted about racism against blacks in this country, I would like to know what examples you’re referring to.

[kilroy69 1,157]

You can tell who in this thread has been exposed to the actual practice of DEI and who has fallen for the MSM's idea of what DEI is from an academic standpoint. 

[Engorgeous George 1,738]

My DEI experience.

 

My office brought in two women of extremely limited experience to supervise the litigation department and the operations group.  At the time I was senior in the operations group and third in the litigation department litigating a narrow band of specialty issues.  I had no problem with the hires.  I did not apply for the openings myself as I did not want the responsibilitiers involved being towards the end of my career and being paid actually more than those positions were rated for..  I did have serious reservations over whether these hires had the experience for the jobs.  I thought other candidates were much better.  (I do note that the among the stated reasons for the hires was diversity though that was not the only reason as our office was more than 50% female and had representation at the managerial level.  The real reason was cronyism, they were friends of an insecure boss looking to surround himself with sycophants).

 

Shortly after the hires we had a motion served on us.  The notice was served on me though it should have been served on the new head of litigation or operations manager (She was out as usual while I was available to accept service).  I took the notice immediately to the operations manager and to the new head of litigation (turned out she was in after all, she just did not want to accept service).  I hand handed it to each and I did an e-mail notification to the big boss along with a sample notice to our elected officials so that he could forward that notice if he wished.  I then washed my hands of the matter as was appropriate.  19 days after receiving the notice of the motion I was speaking with the chief administrative professional for the litigation group in the elevator on the way down from work.  I liked speaking with her as she possessed all the assets a toxic male such as myself prizes.  I learned that our office had not drafted a reply to the motion, more less filed a response.  Our response ws due on day 20. There being no bosses around I retuned to my desk and drafted up a sample response and then e-mailed it to the big boss, the head of litigation, and the operations manager.  This took me into the early morning to research and draft the responsive pleading.

 

I did not leave the office that night.  I showered in the gym and returned to work  When the muckity mucks arrived they had no thanks for my efforts nor was there any consequences or even opprobrium for them having dropped the ball.  Instead I recieved criticism for one section of my response which the head of litigation thought inappropos.  She demanded I take that section out.  I told her she was free to do so as ultimately it was her responsiblity to file our reply.  She did.

The matter was set for a hearing.  The new head of litigation was to be lead council with a junior attorney second chairing.  I went to the motion hearing as it was in the courtroom over from where I was appearing that morning and I had some interest in the matter having drafted what became our response after editing.  The head of litigation had not shown up and neither had the second chair.  The matter was called.  The head of operations informed the bench that our attorneys were running late.  The court continued the matter for half an hour.  When that time had run neither the lead nor second attorney had appeared, nor had they contacted our office nor the court though our office was frantically trying to contact them.  The court told our operations manager she,the court, was about to grant the motion as being unopposed.  The court was pissed.  The operations manager looked around unsure what to do.  I stood up, entered my appearance, and told the court I was ready to argue the matter. 

 

The hearing was held and in addition to the arguments from our pleading I raised the arguments that had been deleted from our pleading by the head of litigation.  The court ruled in our favor based upon those deleted arguments.  (This later really pissed off the litigation manager who thought I argued the issues to show her up.  In reality the court sort of directed the arguments in that direction and luckily I was familiar with that case law having read it and written on it in preparation of the sample response.) Walking out of the courtroom the operations manager told me thank god I was there as she had Never argued a case or motion before any court and she could not have done what I did, which was to argue for the better part of an hour with no preparation or expectation I would be arguing the motion.  I was stunned.  How could our office have hired such inexperienced incompetants. Upon return to the office I recieved no thanks from the boss nor the two attorneys who had shat the sheets.  (Turns out they were late due to not having planned for routine traffic.  I had warned them that they could not expect to commute from their homes to the court for a 9:00 AM hearing in less than two hours as traffic was always horrendous that time of day.  I always planned to arrive at that courthouse by 7:30 for any hearings or trials set at 9:00 AM or before.) The head of litigation did, however, prevail upon the boss to have me removed from the litigation roster as  I had overstepped my bounds by not demanding a continuance in the face of the judge threatening to rule against us, or such was her opinion.  That  was fine with me.  Then she noted that on my last e-mail to her I had not listed my pronouns which she stated was office policy.  i pointed out that such a policy had been discussed but had not been adopted and that even were it adopted I would not comply with such nonsense.  I stated the office could change my e-mail signature block lines, but that I would not.  I recieved a written repremand in my personnel file for insubordination.  I tendered my resignation.  I did so by e-mail and that final e-mail did not have my preferred poronouns listed in the signature block.

The head of litigation has since been moved out.  She now works for a neighboring jurisdiction.  The head of operations is still there.  The policy of listing our preferred pronouns has been sacked as it was perceived as pandering and unprofessional.  Me, I have done a lot of kayaking, rafting, fishing and hunting and have taken quite a few road trips to visit old friends and to attend concerts I loved.  I was fortunate I was close to the planned end of my career and could afford to essentially tell them to shove it.

 

[Maximum Overkill 1,308]

Liberals like to thing they ended slavery. Then they decided to segregate the blacks, because they love black people. 

[Engorgeous George 1,738]

I stood up and walked out of a DEI training, a mandatory training for every City employee.  The trainer who had been paid $100,000.00 to provide15 sessions over a two week period so that all employees could get exposed (Why not only one session and record it I don't know, they wanted the live experience I guess).  The training was insultingly rudimentary not to mention derivitive of trainings previously given by H.R.  The Trainer was trying to make a point about culteral differences among races and being open and accepting of all.  She used a hypothetical to demonstrate her point.  Her hypothetical was massively insulting to christians.  I am no christian, but I was offended for them.  i was not about to listen to that Trainer a minute further.  I got up and walked out.  She stopped her presentation and asked where I was going.  I told her some place I did not have to listen to an overpaid undereducated snake oil sales persons who does not even appreciate the subject upon which they are lecturing.  You could have heard a pin drop.  For the next several days I had numerous employees come up to me and thank me for what I did.  I also note that the Trainer had the rest of her sessions cancelled.  Regardless I got written up.  I had an official repremand placed in my personnel file by the head of litigation and our operations manager who both found the lecture 'extremely informative and thought provoking".

[Fnord 1,655]

@Engorgeous George

Thanks for sharing your stories. What I gather from them is that you are a troublemaker, a pot-stirrer, a speaker of truth to power, a man with convictions not compatible with the times. And I mean these all in a complementary fashion. You have earned your kayaks, road trips, and drug binges. Huzzah, sir!

[Engorgeous George 1,738]

4 hours ago, Fnord said:

@Engorgeous George

Thanks for sharing your stories. What I gather from them is that you are a troublemaker, a pot-stirrer, a speaker of truth to power, a man with convictions not compatible with the times. And I mean these all in a complementary fashion. You have earned your kayaks, road trips, and drug binges. Huzzah, sir!

Well for many years I toed the company line.  I gave great service to folks made to look better for my efforts.  I was a loyal employee and company man.  Still, after decades of being managed by fools with political objectives, after decades of suffering the inefficiencies and foolishness of a large bureaucracy it became increasingly difficult to hold my tongue.  My final years I could no longer suffer fools gladly, and due to my finances I did not need to.  I take some pleasure in the fact that some of my warning which went unheeded have blown up in the faces of the bosses I left behind.  I also take satisfaction in the programs I created and left in place and the acomplishments I achieved.  Like many I have a love/hate relationship with my former job.  I do note that pain in the ass though I was my last year they keep asking my to come out of retirement for a few major projects they currently have including one rather large laibility  matter.  I frustrated them, but I was highly successful litigating the type of matter they are currently facing.  Unfortunately for them I have relinguished my license as I have some mental deterioration occuring and it would be irresponsible of me to represent clients at this juncture, especially when 8 figures are involved.

[Fnord 1,655]

I have no more likes to dispense today, but you earned one EG. 

Integrity is a trait that disappears all too quickly in times like these. We would all do ourselves a favor by evaluating our own.

[kilroy69 1,157]

41 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Well for many years I toed the company line.  i gave great service to folks made to look better for my efforts.  I was a loyal employee and company man.  Still, after decades of being managed by fools with political objectives, after decades of suffering the inefficiencies and foolishness of a large bureaucracy it became increasingly difficult to hold my tongue.  My final years I could no longer suffer fools gladly, and due to my finances I did not need to.  I take some pleasure in the fact that some of my warning which went unheeded have blown up in the faces of the bosses i left behind.  i also take satisfaction in the programs I created and left in place and the acomplishments I achieved.  Like many I have a love/hate relationship with my former job.  i do note that pain in the ass though I was my last year they keep asking my to come out of retirement for a few major projects they currently have including one rather large laibility  matter.  I frustrated them, but I was highly successful litigating the type of matter they are currently facing.  Unfortunately for them I have relinguished my license as I have some mental deterioration occuring and it would be irresponsible of me to represent clients at this juncture, especially when 8 figures are involved.

Not to hijack the thread but how old are you and when did you start to notice slipping? 

[jbycho 171]

9 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

Not to hijack the thread but how old are you and when did you start to notice slipping? 

He's 17 and has no life. 

[Engorgeous George 1,738]

2 hours ago, kilroy69 said:

Not to hijack the thread but how old are you and when did you start to notice slipping? 

65 and I started to notice three years ago and retired 18 months ago.  My family has a history so I was monitoring things fairly closely as is my Doctor.

[Engorgeous George 1,738]

3 hours ago, Fnord said:

I have no more likes to dispense today, but you earned one EG. 

Integrity is a trait that disappears all too quickly in times like these. We would all do ourselves a favor by evaluating our own.

Oh I got fairly comfortable with whoring, but I had my limits.

[Fnord 1,655]

17 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Oh I got fairly comfortable with whoring

Who among us has not? (of those with the traits to engage in it, anyway)

[Voltaire 4,897]

On 12/1/2024 at 11:10 AM, The Real timschochet said:

I meant organized, systemic, by the state. DEI isn’t racism; there has never been organized racism against white people. 

https://archive.is/I3q9o

Maybe if a fellow completely brainwashed leftoid ( this sh*tbag forces his students to read Margaret Atwood ),  writes a guest column in the NYTImes telling you explicitly that racism against white people is happening, it will get through and you will believe him.

Here's the relevant line, assuming you don't care enough to click the link:  In 2022 the novelist Joyce Carol Oates wrote on Twitter that “a friend who is a literary agent told me that he cannot even get editors to read first novels by young white male writers, no matter how good.” The public response to Ms. Oates’s comment was swift and cutting — not entirely without reason, as the book world does remain overwhelmingly white. But the lack of concern about the fate of male writers was striking.

[shadrap 163]

On 12/1/2024 at 7:39 AM, squistion said:

Um, well, maybe because it hasn't ended in this country (or this forum, either, see the threads on Black History Month or Indigeneous People's Day, not to mention the repeated slurs used against Latinos, particularly the pejorative "Bad Hombres").

oh my God. " Bad hombres"

the Horror.  imagine the bad hombres that got their feelings hurt.  reparations are in order.  the horror & outrage is off the charts.

[Strike 4,732]

8 minutes ago, shadrap said:

oh my God. " Bad hombres"

the Horror.  imagine the bad hombres that got their feelings hurt.  reparations are in order.  the horror & outrage is off the charts.

"Bad Hombres" is as bad as calling Colin Kaepernick "Kappy." 

[shadrap 163]

On 12/1/2024 at 6:02 PM, Voltaire said:

Racism existed 250 years ago, it also existed as recently as 60 years ago. While the rest of the country has moved on, or would like to, the left is trapped in the same mentality as 1964- a time when most everyone of good conscience agreed there was validity in the civil rights movement. Their arguments are not only stale in 2024 but laughably absurd to anybody who wasn't born yet in 1964 and its especially pernicious in the overreach against whites and asians these last few years with BLM and DEI added to Affirmative Action with the left's obsessive Identity politics race conscious bullsh*t.

couldn't have put it better than you.  nail on head, but disagree with a leftist idea====RACIST

BS & it has been for a long time.

[shadrap 163]

On 12/2/2024 at 10:18 AM, Engorgeous George said:

My DEI experience.

 

My office brought in two women of extremely limited experience to supervise the litigation department and the operations group.  At the time I was senior in the operations group and third in the litigation department litigating a narrow band of specialty issues.  I had no problem with the hires.  I did not apply for the openings myself as I did not want the responsibilitiers involved being towards the end of my career and being paid actually more than those positions were rated for..  I did have serious reservations over whether these hires had the experience for the jobs.  I thought other candidates were much better.  (I do note that the among the stated reasons for the hires was diversity though that was not the only reason as our office was more than 50% female and had representation at the managerial level.  The real reason was cronyism, they were friends of an insecure boss looking to surround himself with sycophants).

 

Shortly after the hires we had a motion served on us.  The notice was served on me though it should have been served on the new head of litigation or operations manager (She was out as usual while I was available to accept service).  I took the notice immediately to the operations manager and to the new head of litigation (turned out she was in after all, she just did not want to accept service).  I hand handed it to each and I did an e-mail notification to the big boss along with a sample notice to our elected officials so that he could forward that notice if he wished.  I then washed my hands of the matter as was appropriate.  19 days after receiving the notice of the motion I was speaking with the chief administrative professional for the litigation group in the elevator on the way down from work.  I liked speaking with her as she possessed all the assets a toxic male such as myself prizes.  I learned that our office had not drafted a reply to the motion, more less filed a response.  Our response ws due on day 20. There being no bosses around I retuned to my desk and drafted up a sample response and then e-mailed it to the big boss, the head of litigation, and the operations manager.  This took me into the early morning to research and draft the responsive pleading.

 

I did not leave the office that night.  I showered in the gym and returned to work  When the muckity mucks arrived they had no thanks for my efforts nor was there any consequences or even opprobrium for them having dropped the ball.  Instead I recieved criticism for one section of my response which the head of litigation thought inappropos.  She demanded I take that section out.  I told her she was free to do so as ultimately it was her responsiblity to file our reply.  She did.

The matter was set for a hearing.  The new head of litigation was to be lead council with a junior attorney second chairing.  I went to the motion hearing as it was in the courtroom over from where I was appearing that morning and I had some interest in the matter having drafted what became our response after editing.  The head of litigation had not shown up and neither had the second chair.  The matter was called.  The head of operations informed the bench that our attorneys were running late.  The court continued the matter for half an hour.  When that time had run neither the lead nor second attorney had appeared, nor had they contacted our office nor the court though our office was frantically trying to contact them.  The court told our operations manager she,the court, was about to grant the motion as being unopposed.  The court was pissed.  The operations manager looked around unsure what to do.  I stood up, entered my appearance, and told the court I was ready to argue the matter. 

 

The hearing was held and in addition to the arguments from our pleading I raised the arguments that had been deleted from our pleading by the head of litigation.  The court ruled in our favor based upon those deleted arguments.  (This later really pissed off the litigation manager who thought I argued the issues to show her up.  In reality the court sort of directed the arguments in that direction and luckily I was familiar with that case law having read it and written on it in preparation of the sample response.) Walking out of the courtroom the operations manager told me thank god I was there as she had Never argued a case or motion before any court and she could not have done what I did, which was to argue for the better part of an hour with no preparation or expectation I would be arguing the motion.  I was stunned.  How could our office have hired such inexperienced incompetants. Upon return to the office I recieved no thanks from the boss nor the two attorneys who had shat the sheets.  (Turns out they were late due to not having planned for routine traffic.  I had warned them that they could not expect to commute from their homes to the court for a 9:00 AM hearing in less than two hours as traffic was always horrendous that time of day.  I always planned to arrive at that courthouse by 7:30 for any hearings or trials set at 9:00 AM or before.) The head of litigation did, however, prevail upon the boss to have me removed from the litigation roster as  I had overstepped my bounds by not demanding a continuance in the face of the judge threatening to rule against us, or such was her opinion.  That  was fine with me.  Then she noted that on my last e-mail to her I had not listed my pronouns which she stated was office policy.  i pointed out that such a policy had been discussed but had not been adopted and that even were it adopted I would not comply with such nonsense.  I stated the office could change my e-mail signature block lines, but that I would not.  I recieved a written repremand in my personnel file for insubordination.  I tendered my resignation.  I did so by e-mail and that final e-mail did not have my preferred poronouns listed in the signature block.

The head of litigation has since been moved out.  She now works for a neighboring jurisdiction.  The head of operations is still there.  The policy of listing our preferred pronouns has been sacked as it was perceived as pandering and unprofessional.  Me, I have done a lot of kayaking, rafting, fishing and hunting and have taken quite a few road trips to visit old friends and to attend concerts I loved.  I was fortunate I was close to the planned end of my career and could afford to essentially tell them to shove it.

 

sometimes logic & common sense does not prevail.  you prevailed despite the idiotic hires & actions of supposed competent  people.  DEI is a tired, worn out stupid idea of the left to show how much they care, when in fact hiring the most competent people is always the best because it shows what is right & not stupid.

this is why our government is so f----ck up.  Hire them(DEI)--can't fire them.

anyone here tell me why the USPS can't make money?

thought so.

[squistion 1,637]

53 minutes ago, shadrap said:

oh my God. " Bad hombres"

the Horror.  imagine the bad hombres that got their feelings hurt.  reparations are in order.  the horror & outrage is off the charts.

Racist is as racist does.

[Maximum Overkill 1,308]

24 minutes ago, squistion said:

Racist is as racist does.

How is that racist?