thegeneral 2,671 Posted December 17, 2024 13 minutes ago, jerryskids said: I'm not talking about weepaws preaching to you that his bizarro Christian sect is the only path to salvation. I'm talking about a culture around the basic tenets of the religion. For Judeo-Christians, it's stuff like honor your parents, do unto others, be fruitful and multiply. These basic principles were part of the culture you were raised in, regardless of how "religious" your family was. It was stitched into our society. Now, notsomuch. Things have def changed since the “good ol days” in a number of ways. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted December 17, 2024 2 hours ago, jerryskids said: I'm not talking about weepaws preaching to you that his bizarro Christian sect is the only path to salvation. I'm talking about a culture around the basic tenets of the religion. For Judeo-Christians, it's stuff like honor your parents, do unto others, be fruitful and multiply. These basic principles were part of the culture you were raised in, regardless of how "religious" your family was. It was stitched into our society. Now, notsomuch. No, I didn’t say it, Jesus did. John 14:6. Jesus said. I am the Way, Truth, And The Life, no one comes to the Father except through Me. Indeed stick to your Buddhist ideals, and stop pretending to be a catholic, stop being a hypocrite of Christ, and best you stop calling Jesus a lair, right now you’re just puke out of His mouth. Fool. Amen Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
weepaws 3,067 Posted December 17, 2024 10 hours ago, nobody said: So Joseph and Mary are presumably together. But she's a virgin, so that means she's not giving Joseph any. I presume they were married which makes the fact that she's a virgin even worse, but then god comes in and knocks her up and has Joseph raise his kid. Kind of messed up. Let's celebrate his cuckolding this holiday season. Sounds like you have a personal problem at home, wife out getting extra, or just some. Fool. Indeed Matthew 4:4. But Jesus answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Indeed Amen Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,431 Posted December 17, 2024 12 hours ago, IGotWorms said: But nobody is the one who started this thread so what the fock are you babbling about? In case you didn't notice, there a few who posted that were after him, that were before me, that are know Leftists. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 13 hours ago, jerryskids said: Valuable to society and humankind in general. Islam isn't. The others are. Islam isn't valuable to society and humankind? It's the second largest religion in the world I believe and it's fine except for the people who pervert the teachings for their own stupid means. I'm a Christian but there are Christian extremists as well. We can't let the bad people dominate our thoughts of the entirety of the religion. I shouldn't be disliked for my religion because weepaws is a dipsh!t Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Phantom's Phantom 248 Posted December 17, 2024 14 hours ago, jerryskids said: Valuable to society and humankind in general. Islam isn't. The others are. Tell us you know nothing about religion, without telling us you know nothing about religion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,345 Posted December 17, 2024 22 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Islam isn't valuable to society and humankind? It's the second largest religion in the world I believe and it's fine except for the people who pervert the teachings for their own stupid means. I'm a Christian but there are Christian extremists as well. We can't let the bad people dominate our thoughts of the entirety of the religion. I shouldn't be disliked for my religion because weepaws is a dipsh!t Ah, the good old false equivalency. Each has some good, some bad... they're the same! There are a few Christian extremists and... a billion people in giant swaths of the planet in Islamic shiothole states which foment terror, misogyny, and intolerance of anyone not like them. Can't tell them apart! The world would be a far better place without Islam. The world would be worse off without Judeo-Christian, Buddhist, Hindu values. There are others. One of these things is not like the others. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,345 Posted December 17, 2024 20 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: Tell us you know nothing about religion, without telling us you know nothing about religion. It's like you are a yip yip dog, following me around each day looking to get swatted in the nose with a rolled-up magazine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,546 Posted December 17, 2024 36 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Islam isn't valuable to society and humankind? It's the second largest religion in the world I believe and it's fine except for the people who pervert the teachings for their own stupid means. I'm a Christian but there are Christian extremists as well. We can't let the bad people dominate our thoughts of the entirety of the religion. I shouldn't be disliked for my religion because weepaws is a dipsh!t So stupid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,546 Posted December 17, 2024 It’s as if there isn’t a map where you can point to the Islamic countries and perhaps draw a conclusion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 13 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Ah, the good old false equivalency. Each has some good, some bad... they're the same! There are a few Christian extremists and... a billion people in giant swaths of the planet in Islamic shiothole states which foment terror, misogyny, and intolerance of anyone not like them. Can't tell them apart! The world would be a far better place without Islam. The world would be worse off without Judeo-Christian, Buddhist, Hindu values. There are others. One of these things is not like the others. Dude you are devaluing a religion practiced by like 2 billion people worldwide because there are some jackasses who take the wrong messages from it. Islam promotes optimism and a positive outlook on life. It talks about accountability for one's actions. It decries racism. It focuses on healthy living and basic human morality and promotes a strong belief in giving to charity. Yes it has restrictions on art and culture and people misinterpret the principles and promote it as a means for killing someone- but again- those people are crazy and just prescribing a rationale after the fact. For you to just say "Islam isn't good for the world" either is: a.) a fundamental lack of understanding of what the religion entails b.) a horribly misguided attempt to paint 25% of the world's population belief system in a negative light c.) or just being a completely religiously intolerant idiot. And nowhere did I say they are the same religion wise. So that is a bad strawman to use here. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Phantom's Phantom 248 Posted December 17, 2024 10 minutes ago, jerryskids said: It's like you are a yip yip dog, following me around each day looking to get swatted in the nose with a rolled-up magazine. Cry harder Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,546 Posted December 17, 2024 41 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: Tell us you know nothing about religion, without telling us you know nothing about religion. The guy that cries about supposed “toxic masculinity” is here defending Islam. Tell us you know nothing about Islam without telling us you know nothing about Islam. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,984 Posted December 17, 2024 11 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Dude you are devaluing a religion practiced by like 2 billion people worldwide because there are some jackasses who take the wrong messages from it. Islam promotes optimism and a positive outlook on life. It talks about accountability for one's actions. It decries racism. It focuses on healthy living and basic human morality and promotes a strong belief in giving to charity. Yes it has restrictions on art and culture and people misinterpret the principles and promote it as a means for killing someone- but again- those people are crazy and just prescribing a rationale after the fact. For you to just say "Islam isn't good for the world" either is: a.) a fundamental lack of understanding of what the religion entails b.) a horribly misguided attempt to paint 25% of the world's population belief system in a negative light c.) or just being a completely religiously intolerant idiot. And nowhere did I say they are the same religion wise. So that is a bad strawman to use here. Any religion that worships a pedo isn't really a religion. Can we agree on that? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Phantom's Phantom 248 Posted December 17, 2024 8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The guy that cries about supposed “toxic masculinity” is here defending Islam. Tell us you know nothing about Islam without telling us you know nothing about Islam. I'm not defending Islam but it is completely ignorant to say the world would be better off without Islam while defending Christianity. Anyone who says that is completely ignorant about history. There are bad muslims, there are bad Christians, there are also good muslims and good Christians. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 5 minutes ago, Strike said: Any religion that worships a pedo isn't really a religion. Can we agree on that? Yes I am aware there is theological scholarly debate about the age of one of Mohammed's wives which has placed their marriage at various ages and the consummation of their marriage at various ages- some legal, some underage. Seeing as there is no agreement across the board on this I would say it is inconsequential to the discussion at hand until further knowledge is known. I would also add a lot of this is in a culture where they arrange marriages for people at a very young age which is a practice that makes no sense to me. But should definitive evidence and thought at some point coalesce behind an age of the wife and that age be underage than yes I would say it would call into question the wisdom in listening to a prophet who engaged in pedophilic actions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 Just now, The Phantom's Phantom said: I'm not defending Islam but it is completely ignorant to say the world would be better off without Islam while defending Christianity. Anyone who says that is completely ignorant about history. There are bad muslims, there are bad Christians, there are also good muslims and good Christians. Looks like since he can't get a rise out of me and I won't ##### him, HT has moved onto you. Enjoy his derangement of following you around the board trying to get you to respond to him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,345 Posted December 17, 2024 1 minute ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: I'm not defending Islam but it is completely ignorant to say the world would be better off without Islam while defending Christianity. Anyone who says that is completely ignorant about history. There are bad muslims, there are bad Christians, there are also good muslims and good Christians. They're the same! Without Christianity, you would be a barefoot serf pushing a plow through animal dung in Europe somewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Phantom's Phantom 248 Posted December 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Yes I am aware there is theological scholarly debate about the age of one of Mohammed's wives which has placed their marriage at various ages and the consummation of their marriage at various ages- some legal, some underage. Seeing as there is no agreement across the board on this I would say it is inconsequential to the discussion at hand until further knowledge is known. I would also add a lot of this is in a culture where they arrange marriages for people at a very young age which is a practice that makes no sense to me. But should definitive evidence and thought at some point coalesce behind an age of the wife and that age be underage than yes I would say it would call into question the wisdom in listening to a prophet who engaged in pedophilic actions. It's estimated Mary was 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Jesus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,984 Posted December 17, 2024 5 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Yes I am aware there is theological scholarly debate about the age of one of Mohammed's wives which has placed their marriage at various ages and the consummation of their marriage at various ages- some legal, some underage. Seeing as there is no agreement across the board on this I would say it is inconsequential to the discussion at hand until further knowledge is known. I would also add a lot of this is in a culture where they arrange marriages for people at a very young age which is a practice that makes no sense to me. But should definitive evidence and thought at some point coalesce behind an age of the wife and that age be underage than yes I would say it would call into question the wisdom in listening to a prophet who engaged in pedophilic actions. ROFLMAO. You probably, like @The Real timschochet, think Roman Polanski did nothing wrong either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,345 Posted December 17, 2024 25 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Dude you are devaluing a religion practiced by like 2 billion people worldwide because there are some jackasses who take the wrong messages from it. Islam promotes optimism and a positive outlook on life. It talks about accountability for one's actions. It decries racism. It focuses on healthy living and basic human morality and promotes a strong belief in giving to charity. Yes it has restrictions on art and culture and people misinterpret the principles and promote it as a means for killing someone- but again- those people are crazy and just prescribing a rationale after the fact. For you to just say "Islam isn't good for the world" either is: a.) a fundamental lack of understanding of what the religion entails b.) a horribly misguided attempt to paint 25% of the world's population belief system in a negative light c.) or just being a completely religiously intolerant idiot. And nowhere did I say they are the same religion wise. So that is a bad strawman to use here. Some jackasses? It's the culture, man. Poll in September shows for the first time that a majority of Gazans don't support the 10/7 attack. 39% still do though. 64% of Palestinians in the West Bank still do. They also still support Hamas more than any other leadership. Is that "some jackasses"? Quote Summary Poll suggests 57% of Gazans think Oct 7 was incorrect decision In previous poll, 57% in Gaza saw Oct 7 attack as correct Slight dip in Hamas support, but group still most popular RAMALLAH, West Bank, Sept 17 (Reuters) - A majority of Gazans believe Hamas' decision to launch the Oct. 7 attack on Israel was incorrect, according to a poll published on Tuesday pointing to a big drop in backing for the assault that prompted Israel's devastating Gaza offensive. The poll, conducted in early September by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research (PSR), found that 57% of people surveyed in the Gaza Strip said the decision to launch the offensive was incorrect, while 39% said it was correct. It marked the first time since Oct. 7 that a PSR poll found a majority of Gazan respondents judging the decision as incorrect. It was accompanied by a drop in support for the attack in the West Bank, though a majority of 64% of respondents there still thought it was the correct decision, the poll found. PSR's previous poll, conducted in June, showed that 57% of respondents in Gaza thought the decision to be correct. Full article: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-poll-finds-big-drop-support-oct-7-attack-2024-09-17/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,546 Posted December 17, 2024 4 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: It's estimated Mary was 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Jesus. What an idiot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: It's estimated Mary was 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Jesus. Yup- but again I'd say the same thing I did about the Mohammed stuff- there is theological debate about it. Additionally- Jewish women could become engaged and/or married as early as 12 and would often have physical relationships within a few months or years after that action. Religion of all kinds gets pretty squirrely if you dig too deep into it. 2 minutes ago, Strike said: ROFLMAO. You probably, like @The Real timschochet, think Roman Polanski did nothing wrong either. He did do something very wrong. How far are you planning to go down this path? Also, I'm sorry I know theological debate about this. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,860 Posted December 17, 2024 9 minutes ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: It's estimated Mary was 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Jesus. Some historians say 12-14. Link Looks like God is a pedo. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,984 Posted December 17, 2024 10 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: He did do something very wrong. How far are you planning to go down this path? Also, I'm sorry I know theological debate about this. Muhammad's young bride documented how old she was when she got married and consummated said marriage.. Are you calling her a liar? If so, what happened to "believe all women?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 9 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Some jackasses? It's the culture, man. Poll in September shows for the first time that a majority of Gazans don't support the 10/7 attack. 39% still do though. 64% of Palestinians in the West Bank still do. They also still support Hamas more than any other leadership. Is that "some jackasses"? Full article: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/palestinian-poll-finds-big-drop-support-oct-7-attack-2024-09-17/ Yes it is....Jerry you are so wrong on this. You are giving a poll that provides fractions of fractions of people and trying to apply that to the whole. There are 1.9 people who practice islam around the world. There are like 2 million people in Gaza I believe. Even if they were all Islamic (they are not) that would mean like 780K agree with it....you don't see how that is "some jackasses" against the broader scope of the religion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 8 minutes ago, Strike said: Muhammad's young bride documented how old she was when she got married and consummated said marriage.. Are you calling her a liar? If so, what happened to "believe all women?" Are you checking off a bingo card at this point? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,984 Posted December 17, 2024 36 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Are you checking off a bingo card at this point? Can't address the point so deflect. You could have just conceded the point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted December 17, 2024 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: It’s as if there isn’t a map where you can point to the Islamic countries and perhaps draw a conclusion. I wouldn’t get too comfortable on that high horse. We’re heading that same way. Certainly we used to be much better run then the Islamic nations but that’s rapidly becoming a thing of the past Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted December 17, 2024 1 hour ago, The Phantom's Phantom said: It's estimated Mary was 15 or 16 when she gave birth to Jesus. Of course she was. People only lived to, like, 30 then. And those were the lucky ones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 13 minutes ago, Strike said: Can't address the point so deflect. You could have just conceded the point. You didn't address my questions so you keep deflecting from them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 14,546 Posted December 17, 2024 5 minutes ago, IGotWorms said: I wouldn’t get too comfortable on that high horse. We’re heading that same way. Certainly we used to be much better run then the Islamic nations but that’s rapidly becoming a thing of the past Well, in places like Seattle , Portland and other cities yeah. But most of the country looks great and is well run. It’s just these certain areas that all have something in common. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,057 Posted December 17, 2024 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Well, in places like Seattle , Portland and other cities yeah. But most of the country looks great and is well run. It’s just these certain areas that all have something in common. Uh huh, sure thing bud Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,345 Posted December 17, 2024 52 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Yes it is....Jerry you are so wrong on this. You are giving a poll that provides fractions of fractions of people and trying to apply that to the whole. There are 1.9 people who practice islam around the world. There are like 2 million people in Gaza I believe. Even if they were all Islamic (they are not) that would mean like 780K agree with it....you don't see how that is "some jackasses" against the broader scope of the religion. What happens to a woman who is raped in Islamic countries? https://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/muslim/honor.html What happens to openly gay people in Islamic countries? https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-africa-religion-europe-05020d7baa9f0d5f0b3088e80d0797e9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Phantom's Phantom 248 Posted December 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: most of the country looks great and is well run. O Rly? I thought we were a third world nation that was a disaster and needed Father Trump to save us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 3 minutes ago, jerryskids said: What happens to a woman who is raped in Islamic countries? https://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/muslim/honor.html What happens to openly gay people in Islamic countries? https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-africa-religion-europe-05020d7baa9f0d5f0b3088e80d0797e9 Now do all the other religions. Also, lots of Christians denounce gay weddings as an affront to God. So by your logic all Christians are against gay marriage Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 6,345 Posted December 17, 2024 6 minutes ago, Sean Mooney said: Now do all the other religions. Also, lots of Christians denounce gay weddings as an affront to God. So by your logic all Christians are against gay marriage No, you do them. You won't though, because there is nothing like it. Also, while lots of Christians don't support gay weddings, they are allowed to happen in our culture, people can be openly gay, and we certainly don't stone them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MDC 6,860 Posted December 17, 2024 2 minutes ago, jerryskids said: No, you do them. You won't though, because there is nothing like it. Also, while lots of Christians don't support gay weddings, they are allowed to happen in our culture, people can be openly gay, and we certainly don't stone them. Muslims in our culture don’t stone gays either. It’s almost like the culture is the big factor not the religion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 1 minute ago, jerryskids said: No, you do them. You won't though, because there is nothing like it. Also, while lots of Christians don't support gay weddings, they are allowed to happen in our culture, people can be openly gay, and we certainly don't stone them. I get it- you don't want to see the reality of religion that runs counter to what you want to believe. We don't stone you- but we will shun you and not acknowledge your marriage and discourage Christians from supporting it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sean Mooney 1,816 Posted December 17, 2024 Just now, MDC said: Muslims in our culture don’t stone gays either. It’s almost like the culture is the big factor not the religion. Don't tell Jerry he can't paint with a wide brush..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites