peenie 1,874 Posted January 22 Seems some of my fears of a Trump presidency are coming true. Drilling may mean destroying pristine environments that will likely negatively affect wildlife. Profit can’t be more important than preventing toxic pollution and preserving nature, food chains and marine life. Yes, I don’t want the United States held hostage to expensive oil by other countries, but I also don’t want to turn our backs on renewable energy. I do agree with Trump that I don’t think the United States should be giving away so much money to other countries in an attempt to be more green, so perhaps pulling out of the Paris Agreement will save us money. I just don’t want our beautiful country destroyed by greed via drilling. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Strike 4,983 Posted January 22 The country will be fine. You're freaking out over nothing. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,874 Posted January 22 Someone more informed than I am made this: https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_dlK2mPWDn/?igsh=azAzeXc0YmZjNWpz it’s funny how algorithms work. It showed up after I posted this thread. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 1,587 Posted January 22 And now he can drill in The Gulf of America Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 24 minutes ago, peenie said: Seems some of my fears of a Trump presidency are coming true. Drilling may mean destroying pristine environments that will likely negatively affect wildlife. Profit can’t be more important than preventing toxic pollution and preserving nature, food chains and marine life. Yes, I don’t want the United States held hostage to expensive oil by other countries, but I also don’t want to turn our backs on renewable energy. I do agree with Trump that I don’t think the United States should be giving away so much money to other countries in an attempt to be more green, so perhaps pulling out of the Paris Agreement will save us money. I just don’t want our beautiful country destroyed by greed via drilling. Animals in the wild eat other animals. It's called the food chain. You do realize this don't you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 21 minutes ago, Strike said: The country will be fine. You're freaking out over nothing. It's been a concern of mine as well. I hope we do not ruin our environment more than we have to. There is a lot of untouched land that I would like to see remain that way. I believe in conserving our natural lands. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Honcho 4,908 Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, peenie said: Drill Baby Drill! What took you so long? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,977 Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, peenie said: Seems some of my fears of a Trump presidency are coming true. Drilling may mean destroying pristine environments that will likely negatively affect wildlife. Profit can’t be more important than preventing toxic pollution and preserving nature, food chains and marine life. Yes, I don’t want the United States held hostage to expensive oil by other countries, but I also don’t want to turn our backs on renewable energy. I do agree with Trump that I don’t think the United States should be giving away so much money to other countries in an attempt to be more green, so perhaps pulling out of the Paris Agreement will save us money. I just don’t want our beautiful country destroyed by greed via drilling. Maybe then support licensing of nuclear facilities. The less oil, coal, oil shale and natural gas we need for electricity production the better for many ecosystems. The less hydroelectric we need the better for those rivers and the entire riparian systems. Also, poterntially the less money we will need for our military as we will not have to project so much power over the middle east and Venezuela. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said: What took you so long? Eeewww. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,874 Posted January 22 27 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Animals in the wild eat other animals. It's called the food chain. You do realize this don't you? If streams are polluted with oil spills or toxic drilling chemicals it can kill or infect organisms in the streams that will affect those creatures that eat them. I’ve had 2 semesters each of field ecology and marine biology, have you even been to college? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,241 Posted January 22 25 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: It's been a concern of mine as well. I hope we do not ruin our environment more than we have to. There is a lot of untouched land that I would like to see remain that way. I believe in conserving our natural lands. Like the land in So Cal where there are massive fires? Conservation efforts for fish and other kinds of wildlife in the hills contributed in part to those fires. If you're into conservation of land, wildlife, or whatever, then it MUST BE managed better. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,874 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: Like the land in So Cal where there are massive fires? Conservation efforts for fish and other kinds of wildlife in the hills contributed in part to those fires. If you're into conservation of land, wildlife, or whatever, then it MUST BE managed better. True, but I don’t think that is a fair comparison. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,241 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, peenie said: True, but I don’t think that is a fair comparison. How so? You don't agree that if you're going to WANT conservation that it needs to be managed better? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said: Like the land in So Cal where there are massive fires? Conservation efforts for fish and other kinds of wildlife in the hills contributed in part to those fires. If you're into conservation of land, wildlife, or whatever, then it MUST BE managed better. I'm all for managing it better. I would like to see more put into the conservation of our wildlife. Wildfires can be a natural occurrence and they play a part in our ecosystem. The recent fires started because of people and the majority of the damage caused is from people living there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said: How so? You don't agree that if you're going to WANT conservation that it needs to be managed better? Everyone should want it managed better. I'm not sure people in the cities care enough to allocate more funds towards it though. I wonder how many here care about wildlife and our natural habitats? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheNewGirl 1,241 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Everyone should want it managed better. I'm not sure people in the cities care enough to allocate more funds towards it though. I wonder how many here care about wildlife and our natural habitats? I do. The city that I live in in Nor Cal had acres of land on the south side of one of our freeways. The city agreed to add more houses there. It's awful. I would have preferred to keep it a huge dry field. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 16 minutes ago, peenie said: If streams are polluted with oil spills or toxic drilling chemicals it can kill or infect organisms in the streams that will affect those creatures that eat them. I’ve had 2 semesters each of field ecology and marine biology, have you even been to college? Who is planning on spilling oil? And yeah. I've been to college, had a career as a business and IT consultant and retired at 59. How about you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fumbleweed 496 Posted January 22 I am a registered Republican and a certain Conservative, but I veer off the road a bit on this topic. I love visiting our National Parks and hold dear many aspects of environmental concern and while I know they're not going to be drilling in National Parks per se, I also think we need places in this country that are unspoiled by man to remind ourselves of deeper truths. How that fits into the drilling plan, I'm not sure. I was not a fan of them shutting down the Keystone Pipeline. But, I don't think Drill Baby Drill is a sentiment that all Conservatives share. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 475 Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: Like the land in So Cal where there are massive fires? Conservation efforts for fish and other kinds of wildlife in the hills contributed in part to those fires. You're not spreading lies about the delta smelt again are you? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,874 Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: How so? You don't agree that if you're going to WANT conservation that it needs to be managed better? I wrote, TRUE, meaning management is important. However, mis-management along with a ton of other things including arson are the reason for the California fires. My topic is about natural untouched protected lands for drilling not what happened in a heavily populated residential California area. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 475 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: Who is planning on spilling oil? As long as we don't "plan" to spill any oil then it won't be spilled? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 Just now, TrailGuy said: As long as we don't "plan" to spill any oil then it won't be spilled? What do I care. Drilling for oil is the right thing to do. Sorry sucker but you lost... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peenie 1,874 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said: I am a registered Republican and a certain Conservative, but I veer off the road a bit on this topic. I love visiting our National Parks and hold dear many aspects of environmental concern and while I know they're not going to be drilling in National Parks per se, I also think we need places in this country that are unspoiled by man to remind ourselves of deeper truths. How that fits into the drilling plan, I'm not sure. I was not a fan of them shutting down the Keystone Pipeline. But, I don't think Drill Baby Drill is a sentiment that all Conservatives share. I actually donate to preventing areas in Montana from being sold and drilled. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrailGuy 475 Posted January 22 Just now, seafoam1 said: What do I care. Drilling for oil is the right thing to do. Sorry sucker but you lost... Let's put an oil rig in your front yard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said: I do. The city that I live in in Nor Cal had acres of land on the south side of one of our freeways. The city agreed to add more houses there. It's awful. I would have preferred to keep it a huge dry field. Around me it's almost all farmland and some manmade structures. While farmland is important, it's still damaging to our environment. If I were a wealthy man, I would buy up the land from retiring farmers and turn it back into naive prairie instead of the housing developments that get built now. There's 48 acres of land that butts up to mine that I've been in talks with the owner on. He only uses it for hunting and leases the tillable acres to a farmer. When he's willing to sell, and I have the funds, I plan to buy it and turn it back to native prairie. It's most likely going to cost me over half a million but that's my dream. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,977 Posted January 22 Fire is a proper part of land management. Pyrophytic plants require it to germinate seeds. Super hot fires from years of fuel build up are not healthy for pyrophytic plants. As for drilling and other extractive industries, well we now have a history of then impacts they have. If we are going to allow extraction we have to charge the apropriate amount so that trust funds for environmental harm remediation are put into place. Those who would exploit the land need to pay fully for the privilege. Extrators can no longer be allowed to profit, ignoring the costs of the damage done by their operations and leaving the remediation of that damage to future generations. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said: Let's put an oil rig in your front yard Who's front yard are they putting one in on? Name the address. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: What do I care. Drilling for oil is the right thing to do. Sorry sucker but you lost... You should care though. Some parts of our country should be left alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Fire is a proper part of land management. Pyrophytic plants require it to germinate seeds. Super hot fires from years of fuel build up are not healthy for pyrophytic plants. As for drilling and other extractive industries, well we now have a history of then impacts they have. If we are going to allow extraction we have to charge the apropriate amount so that trust funds for environmental harm remediation are put into place. Those who would exploit the land need to pay fully for the privilege. Extrators can no longer be allowed to profit, ignoring the costs of the damage done by their operations and leaving the remediation of that damage to future generations. Liberals flat out don't want this. They have said it repeatedly for years. It's like if after the dust bowl happened in Kansas back in the 20s or whenever it was, if they kept doing the same thing for their farming techniques. Nope. They fixed that shlt quick. California has too many liberals to be smart. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Engorgeous George 1,977 Posted January 22 20 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: You should care though. Some parts of our country should be left alone. My brothers and I allowed a farm we owned to be sold into a conservation easement associated with the Horicon Marsh refuge. We took somewhat less than the commercial value of the land. Not much less, but somewhat less. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 Just now, Engorgeous George said: My brothers and i allowed a farm we owned to be sold into a conservation easement associated with the Horicon Marsh refuge. We took somewhat less than the commercial value of the land. Not much less, but somewhat less. Very cool. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 5 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: You should care though. Some parts of our country should be left alone. The earth replenishes itself over time. Our country will be fine. I have no doubt. If people really care about the country and it's consumption needs, they should stop having babies they can't afford to raise and/or educate. That is the solution that no liberal will buy into. And until that is done, what's the point of pretending we "care". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,788 Posted January 22 Libs should worry about their filthy cities. Pick up your needles and garbage off the streets then come talk about the wild areas you rarely venture into. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: The earth replenishes itself over time. Our country will be fine. I have no doubt. If people really care about the country and it's consumption needs, they should stop having babies they can't afford to raise and/or educate. That is the solution that no liberal will buy into. Yes, the earth will continue on and we will continue to live our lives. Everything will adapt or die. I'm not concerned about that though. I don't want the US to turn into a baren sh1thole that we have to adapt to live in. The wildlife we have is good for us, it's healthy. More people should spend time in it. It's good for your mental health. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, listen2me 23 said: Libs should worry about their filthy cities. Pick up your needles and garbage off the streets then come talk about the wild areas you rarely venture into. Fock. They would rather bring in 10 million illegals in a 4 year span. They are so focking stupid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: Yes, the earth will continue on and we will continue to live our lives. Everything will adapt or die. I'm not concerned about that though. I don't want the US to turn into a baren sh1thole that we have to adapt to live in. The wildlife we have is good for us, it's healthy. More people should spend time in it. It's good for your mental health. But my take, is that in no way will this country will be a barren wasteland of plugged up dead oil rigs one day. Because that is a gross exaggeration of our future. 99% of America won't even know it's happening. And no one will wake up tomorrow to find an oil rig in their front yard. I have cousins who live in Byron, Illinois. They built a house out there many years ago. They have a nuclear power plant built within their view. That scares some, but not my cousins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 Why do liberals speak so loudly about conserving our wildlife when the majority of them don't live near wildlife areas? I guess the opposite could be said about conservatives. Why are they so eager to drill and destroy our land when the majority of them are surrounded by wildlife. Maybe I'm not accurate in this thinking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
seafoam1 2,642 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: Why do liberals speak so loudly about conserving our wildlife when the majority of them don't live near wildlife areas? I guess the opposite could be said about conservatives. Why are they so eager to drill and destroy our land when the majority of them are surrounded by wildlife. Maybe I'm not accurate in this thinking. For real. And look at the crime they willingly put up with. Crimes against humans for God's sake. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,478 Posted January 22 peenie America is not the place for you. Please move somewhere more to your liking Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hawkeye21 2,290 Posted January 22 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: But my take, is that in no way will this country will be a barren wasteland of plugged up dead oil rigs one day. Because that is a gross exaggeration of our future. 99% of America won't even know it's happening. And no on will wake up tomorrow to find an oil rig in their front yard. This reminds me of what some have said to me about the liberal culture and how far left they have gone. I have heard people like yourself say that it's important to stop the liberal agenda, not because it's going to affect us tomorrow, but that it will affect us further down the road. Slowly losing our traditional culture. Similar to giving up certain aspects of our rights. Give into them now and what else will they take? If you start saying it's ok destroy one area of our natural habitat, won't that just lead to more areas being destroyed? Once we get to a certain point, might as well keep going. I mean, we've already gone this far. I think that's a reasonable comparison. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites