Trump and Russia- the optimism is fading

[The Real timschochet]

2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

well if you are convinced.

think all you want.  convey all you want. Trump doesn't like wars because it kills mostly young men who are starting their lives.    but your convinced.   all Trump has done is talk about wars we shouldn't be in.  Ukraine is one of them.  Ukraine can't account for billizioons of dollars we sent them.  you okay with that?  Probably.  

trolling again.

Trolling? You do realize we haven’t sent Ukraine hardly any money at all right? We’ve mostly invested the money for this war on developing new weaponry which allows to send Ukraine our surplus weaponry. That’s like 95% of the billions we have spent on this war. 

[Frozenbeernuts]

The last Ukraine election was 2019. I wonder if people would call Trump a dictator if he was in office for 6 years.

 

They were supposed to have an election in 2024. That never happened. Why are liberals supporting a dictatorship?

[The Real timschochet]

2 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You applaud Biden, but you didn't answer my question:  what was his end game?  When did the war end under his plan?  The answer is never.  

It’s not that difficult a question. Just like in the Korean War, you support one side until the other side realizes they can’t win, and then you negotiate a peace. But you do it in a way that protects the side we are supporting. 

[shadrap]

8 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Ukraine can’t win. But neither can Russia. I want to work out a deal. No need for Ukraine to surrender. 

Then fly your ass over there & help out the Ukrainians.  Not sure about uniforms but you seem to be in favor of people fighting & dying when all they want is a roof & food.

take some pics of you on the front lines with the other poor foccks told to give their life for the cause.  a cause in Eastern Europe that the Europe is unwilling to pay their fair share.  So how about that?  The nations most effected are not paying their share.  

Again, how about that????

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

5 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Look, Zelensky could be the most corrupt, biggest puppet on the planet, and it doesn’t change the fact that the Russians invaded and murdered thousands of innocent people. There is NOTHING you could say about Zelensky that would convince me that we shouldn’t support Ukraine, because Russia is the aggressor. 
 

During World War II we supported Josef Stalin, the biggest mass murderer in all of history. And that was the right move because the Nazis were the bigger threat. I have no idea if Zelensky is a good guy or a bad guy or a puppet and I could not care less. We need to support Ukraine because they are the victims in this struggle. 

This says it all. It doesn't matter how corrupt Ukraine is. It doesn't matter how involved Biden and his people were in the corruption. It doesn't matter if they have bio labs and are trafficking tons of people through Ukraine. CNN said Ukraine good, therefore that's all that matters. You. Are. Played.

[The Real timschochet]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

The last Ukraine election was 2019. I wonder if people would call Trump a dictator if he was in office for 6 years.

 

They were supposed to have an election in 2024. That never happened. Why are liberals supporting a dictatorship?

Why bother even posting? Why not just quote Pravda verbatim? 
It’s difficult to have an election when your focking country IS BEING INVADED and half of it is FOCKING OCCUPIED by the enemy! 
I hear this crap about elections from Trump too. How can anyone be this stupid?? 

[Hardcore troubadour]

20 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I am 100% convinced now that if Trump had been President in World War II he would have praised Hitler and called Churchill a dictator, and blamed England for starting the war. 

How come it took us being directly attacked for your hero FDR to get in the fight? 

[Tebok]

This whole maneuver is so oligarchs can rule the world.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, all based on calculated lies that MAGAs lap up.

[Frozenbeernuts]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Why bother even posting? Why not just quote Pravda verbatim? 
It’s difficult to have an election when your focking country IS BEING INVADED and half of it is FOCKING OCCUPIED by the enemy! 
I hear this crap about elections from Trump too. How can anyone be this stupid?? 

Any excuse to support the dictator that CNN told you to support  

[The Real timschochet]

2 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Then fly your ass over there & help out the Ukrainians.  Not sure about uniforms but you seem to be in favor of people fighting & dying when all they want is a roof & food.

take some pics of you on the front lines with the other poor foccks told to give their life for the cause.  a cause in Eastern Europe that the Europe is unwilling to pay their fair share.  So how about that?  The nations most effected are not paying their share.  

Again, how about that????

 

That’s not true either. 
 

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253

You hear lies being told by Putin and Trump and you’re just repeating them verbatim. How about a little fact checking next time? 

[Frozenbeernuts]

Just now, Tebok said:

This whole maneuver is so oligarchs can rule the world.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, all based on calculated lies that MAGAs lap up.

Never mind all the money that was laundered through Ukraine before Trump took office... in 20 effing 17!

[The Real timschochet]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

How come it took us being directly attacked for your hero FDR to get in the fight? 

Have you heard of Lend-Lease? 

[Frozenbeernuts]

Leftists getting wrecked in this thread. Brutal.

[Hardcore troubadour]

Just now, Tebok said:

This whole maneuver is so oligarchs can rule the world.

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer, all based on calculated lies that MAGAs lap up.

We should have re-elected Biden like you wanted so the rich would stop getting so dam rich. 

[Frozenbeernuts]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Have you heard of Lend-Lease? 

Please enlighten us on how Lend-Lease is relevant in your support for the most corrupt country in Europe that is run by a dictator. All deemed OK by your god, CNN

[The Real timschochet]

4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

This says it all. It doesn't matter how corrupt Ukraine is. It doesn't matter how involved Biden and his people were in the corruption. It doesn't matter if they have bio labs and are trafficking tons of people through Ukraine. CNN said Ukraine good, therefore that's all that matters. You. Are. Played.

When a guy who believes that Israel planned 9/11 tells me I’m being played, that’s how I know that I’m really not. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

Have you heard of Lend-Lease? 

Do you understand directly? Even when I dumb it down I get stupidity right back at me. 

[The Real timschochet]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Please enlighten us on how Lend-Lease is relevant in your support for the most corrupt country in Europe that is run by a dictator. All deemed OK by your god, CNN

I don’t think it’s possible to enlighten you .

[Tebok]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Never mind all the money that was laundered through Ukraine before Trump took office... in 20 effing 17!

This is ancient news, considering that the Musk-Trump dictatorship is siding with dictators, structuring the world to benefit themselves and throwing democracy and human decency under the bus.

I've already pointed out that this is what happened in Venezuela, Hungary, Nazi Germany and late 1800s America.

This is 2025, not 2017, and whatever argument you have is based on memes and hearsay, not facts.

You're bringing a slingshot to a gunfight, bruh.

[TrailGuy]

30 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Watch the last video i posted and then tell me it's all a giant coincidence. Also "coincidentally" that journalist is now dead.

Have another bowl of borscht, Igor 

[The Real timschochet]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Do you understand directly? Even when I dumb it down I get stupidity right back at me. 

Are we directly involved in this war anymore than we were directly involved in World War 2 before Pearl Harbor? 

[shorepatrol]

5 minutes ago, Tebok said:

This whole maneuver is so oligarchs can rule the world.

 

You really are a focking moron, libs only goal is exactly that and you applaude it everytime they are in charge. 

[shorepatrol]

5 minutes ago, Tebok said:

 

You're bringing a slingshot to a gunfight, bruh.

You clowns bring tampons to a flash flood daily and skyscream. Sit the fock down 

[Hardcore troubadour]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Are we directly involved in this war anymore than we were directly involved in World War 2 before Pearl Harbor? 

I’d say yes. Russia is well aware that we fomented the coup that led to all of this and we are the main sponsors. We’re just lucky that Putin isn’t the madman that the neo cons and leftist media says he is. 

[jerryskids]

10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s not that difficult a question. Just like in the Korean War, you support one side until the other side realizes they can’t win, and then you negotiate a peace. But you do it in a way that protects the side we are supporting. 

I already said that Putin will never give up without Crimea and Donbas.  Do you disagree?  Eventually you get to the nuclear option.

[Frozenbeernuts]

7 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’d say yes. Russia is well aware that we fomented the coup that led to all of this and we are the main sponsors. We’re just lucky that Putin isn’t the madman that the neo cons and leftist media says he is. 

We really are. He obviously isn't.

[Frozenbeernuts]

14 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

I don’t think it’s possible to enlighten you .

You don't care that the Ukranian election was rigged to put Zelensky in power so that it could be turned into a proper money laundering operation. One that Biden has been proven to use. Joe Biden was the one who was the biggest beneficiary that we know about. Not a word out of you about that. Your opinion means nothing.

[The Real timschochet]

6 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

I already said that Putin will never give up without Crimea and Donbas.  Do you disagree?  Eventually you get to the nuclear option.

Yes I disagree. I think we can get to a deal where he keeps Crimea but Ukraine keeps Donbas. 

[The Real timschochet]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

You don't care that the Ukranian election was rigged to put Zelensky in power so that it could be turned into a proper money laundering operation. One that Biden has been proven to use. Joe Biden was the one who was the biggest beneficiary that we know about. Not a word out of you about that. Your opinion means nothing.

Because it’s all a bunch of crap. 

[Tebok]

15 minutes ago, shorepatrol said:

You clowns bring tampons to a flash flood daily and skyscream. Sit the fock down 

Your crying over pushback is cute, but those of us who regret voting for this dictatorship are getting organized to fight this political atrocity.

We're coming.

[Frozenbeernuts]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Because it’s all a bunch of crap. 

It's true. It was in the laptop. Don't tell me you still deny its existance. Remember who told you it was all crap. The same people who promised you Kamala would win.

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 minute ago, Tebok said:

Your crying over pushback is cute, but those of us who regret voting for this dictatorship are getting organized to fight this political atrocity.

We're coming.

No you're not . Trump was ready for you. They had the upper hand in so many areas and still got blown out in the election. Trump is moving so fast because he had enough pieces in place before he took office. You have nothing. Beat your head against the wall if you want. It won't do you any good.

[Frozenbeernuts]

Just embrace the change people. Your party played you. Trump was more than ready for them. He is steps ahead. He's pushing the game. The oligarchs can only react. You have nothing.

[TrailGuy]

47 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Watch the videos I posted. Trump is supposed to support a puppet that was installed as President? While the US used it to launder money? Plus the US has a history of making things up to her us into wars.

It's Russian propaganda you dumb traitor

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

It's Russian propaganda you dumb traitor

It was admitted in court as evidence. The FBI admitted it is real. You didn't know this?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunter_Biden_laptop_controversy#:~:text=In June 2024%2C federal prosecutors,authenticating and investigating the laptop.

[TrailGuy]

41 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

You applaud Biden, but you didn't answer my question:  what was his end game?  When did the war end under his plan?  The answer is never.  

I believe his plan was to defend Ukraine and punish Russia so they retreat or negotiate.  WTF pudding head isn't that obvious?

[Frozenbeernuts]

3 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

It's Russian propaganda you dumb traitor

Where tf do you think all those pictures of Hunter Biden came from?

[TrailGuy]

39 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The last Ukraine election was 2019. I wonder if people would call Trump a dictator if he was in office for 6 years.

 

They were supposed to have an election in 2024. That never happened. Why are liberals supporting a dictatorship?

They're at war you fukking idiot.  How are they gonna have an election?  You're disgraceful.

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 minute ago, TrailGuy said:

They're at war you fukking idiot.  How are they gonna have an election?  You're disgraceful.

Please tell me you are just trolling on the Hunter laptop thing. I can accept that. I can't accept that you actually believe it's fake at this point.

[Hardcore troubadour]

2 minutes ago, TrailGuy said:

They're at war you fukking idiot.  How are they gonna have an election?  You're disgraceful.

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