L.A. and nationwide ICE raids/protests thread

[RLLD 4,230]

2 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

You’re attempting to back up your false claims with generalities and the more specific questions I ask you the more general you get. But I will try again. Let’s refer to this post. You wrote that the left defends terrorists. Which terrorist? When? You wrote that there is support for Hamas on college campuses. Please provide an example of a major campus student leader or teacher saying “I support Hamas!” Or “I support what Hamas did on Oct 7.” Not criticism of Israel, not “from the river to sea” which can have more than one meaning but SPECIFICALLY support for Hamas. 
 

I’ll wait. 

I consider the allowance for Hamas supporters at Columbia and other campuses to be enough.  That is all I need.  I see those on the right assailing it, and those on the left allowing it.  I need nothing more than that to hold my view. But there is so much more....  your better bet here is to establish that support for Palestine is not support for Hamas, which is the deflection I think most politicians use to hide their intentions, but again, actions matter.  If people can correlate support for Israel to support for oppression, well, we can do that back.... 

Rashida Tlaib  has participated in pro-Palestinian rallies and speeches, using the zero-tolerance stances of modern liberalism, we can establish that any support for Hamas-related elements is therefore unacceptable....again, not my rule, its your side that allows absolutism to rule...

Ilhan Omar Accused Israel of committing “war crimes” during its military operations, so then by extension the October 7th work was war crimes? And then by extension when you support Palestine you support Hamas and war criminals?  Even some in her own party have been forced to call out her antisemitism

Omar reportedly arrived on Campus and embraced the banned Kymani James, who was banned for stating ‘Zionists don’t deserve to live’ and people should be grateful James wasn’t killing them.”(“ADL Accuses Rep. Omar Of ‘Blood Libel’ For Saying Some Jewish Students Pro-Genocide,” The Times Of Israel, 4/28/2024)

Oh and lets not forget that the little coward (james) posted pictures of himself with Rep. Ayanna Pressley describing her as ‘my mentor and friend.’”(“ADL Accuses Rep. Omar Of ‘Blood Libel’ For Saying Some Jewish Students Pro-Genocide,” The Times Of Israel, 4/28/2024)

 

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has supported Palestinian protesters and called for a ceasefire when it was time for Israel to respond to criminal actions by Hamas, In 2021, submitted a resolution to block a U.S. arms sale to Israel. visited the Columbia University encampment in support of the Hamas supporters.  When police finally stepped in to quell the antisemitic filth, her little buddy Jamaal Bowman criticized the police for doing it....because....you see....we ALLOW Hamas terrorist a voice....but JEWS need to be suppressed....if you are a liberal at least....(“‘Squad’ Members Descend On Columbia Encampment, Offer 'Support' For Anti-Israel Agitators,” Fox News, 4/26/2024)

nti-Israel protesters, meanwhile, have been heard chanting ‘Al-Qassam, you make us proud, kill another soldier now!’ ‘We say justice, you say how. Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!’ and ‘Hamas, we love you. We support your rockets, too!(“‘Squad’ Members Descend On Columbia Encampment, Offer 'Support' For Anti-Israel Agitators,” Fox News, 4/26/2024)

Jamaal Bowman, when asked if he’s OK with the protestors occupying Columbia building.  ‘The protestors are gonna do what they got to do. For me, it needs to just remain nonviolent, make sure no person is harmed in the process.(CNN’s Manu Raju, @mkraju, Twitter, 4/30/2024)

 

When they bother to speak out, its not about anything other than worry about their power....

Democrats split over campus protest crackdown

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Democratic strategists acknowledge that Biden needs to turn out young voters to the polls in November to win, and that polls show that a majority of them feel more sympathetic to Palestinians than Israelis amidst the mounting death toll in Gaza.

 

SOOOOO....yeah, your people have allowed this to transpire.....because they hate Jews....if this were some white supremacists doing this to black people they would send in the Marines....but since they hate Jews....well...fock them....right?

 

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10 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It took me two seconds to look this up: what you’re quoting is her initial comments when she thought what was going on had a peaceful, “block party” atmosphere. She very quickly corrected herself. When violence and damage to property occurred she declared the whole thing unlawful and had the police disperse it. 
So once again you misrepresent.  

The following article is from AFTER she made the comments I referenced above and BEFORE CHAZ was removed.  It PROVES that what you're saying in this post is factually Bullsh*t:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/us/seattle-capitol-hill-chop-chaz-shooting

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is BS.  And that compound was allowed to exist until early July before she disbanded it.  People died inside CHAZ because first responders couldn't get to them during this time.  As I said you interpret everything said or done by a lefty in the best possible light, but there's no good light CHAZ can be seen in. 

What I wrote in response to you was almost an exact quote from an AI generated response to the question “Did Jenny Durkin support CHAZ.”? And the answer is pretty clear: once it turned violent she did not. I would call her response, based on what I’m reading, weak and inept. But that’s not what you wrote nor implied. Incompetence is far different from ideological endorsement which is what you and others inferred. 

[RLLD 4,230]

24 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

My research tells me that your statements here are really vague and filled with misrepresentations of what exactly happened in 2020. That’s why I asked for specifics which you failed to provide. 

Not vague, just inconvenient for your beliefs. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

1 hour ago, BrahmaBulls said:

The Democrat Party has backed Antifa all along.

BLM/Antifa are the modern day Brownshirts of the Democrat Party.  

[RLLD 4,230]

4 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Allowing something to happen is not a “tacit endorsement”, ever. Also even the extreme example you quoted didn’t endorse violence. 
 

Jerry, if your original comment had been something like “I am concerned that leftist elements within the Democratic Party are too tolerant sometimes of people that either commit violence or endorse violence,” I never would have started this. I might have taken issue with a few specifics but in general I would have agreed with such an analysis. But when you and @RLLD and others make blanket statements like “Democrats support violence”, “Democrats support Antifa”, “Democrats support Hamas”, etc, etc, that is when I have to take strong issue because it’s bullsh!t. 

Given the allowance for violence, I think the inference of support is valid. 

[Strike 5,538]

Just now, The Real timschochet said:

What I wrote in response to you was almost an exact quote from an AI generated response to the question “Did Jenny Durkin support CHAZ.”? And the answer is pretty clear: once it turned violent she did not. I would call her response, based on what I’m reading, weak and inept. But that’s not what you wrote nor implied. Incompetence is far different from ideological endorsement which is what you and others inferred. 

You need to do some research in to AI.  It's not really "intelligent" and is prone to innacuracy.  But it's still more intelligent than you are.

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

Antifa is the standard "name it something good" tactic of leftists when implementing something harmful.  Regardless of the moniker they choose their actions are absolute fascistic.   They are anarchists who only want the destruction of our nation, which makes them ready partners for Democrats.

Let's clear things up even further:  "BLM/Antifa" are Marxists and Communists.  They are "anti-Fascist" only in the sense that THEY fight against Fascists.  This akin to Black Power members fighting the KKK and calling themselves "anti-racists".  They are just as racist as those they claim to fight against. 

BLM/Antifa want their authoritarian Marxism/Communism - which is even MORE brutal - in place of this fake Fascism they claim to fight.  They aren't fighting "the good fight" at all - they're fighting for power (and money) so THEY can line people up against the wall instead of the supposed "Fascists".  And let's be real here: "Fascists" are anybody they disagree with, not necessarily actual Fascists.

[Strike 5,538]

7 minutes ago, Strike said:

The following article is from AFTER she made the comments I referenced above and BEFORE CHAZ was removed.  It PROVES that what you're saying in this post is factually Bullsh*t:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/20/us/seattle-capitol-hill-chop-chaz-shooting

Watch @The Real timschochet disappear because this article destroys his entire argument.

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13 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Allowing something to happen is not a “tacit endorsement”, ever. Also even the extreme example you quoted didn’t endorse violence. 
 

Jerry, if your original comment had been something like “I am concerned that leftist elements within the Democratic Party are too tolerant sometimes of people that either commit violence or endorse violence,” I never would have started this. I might have taken issue with a few specifics but in general I would have agreed with such an analysis. But when you and @RLLD and others make blanket statements like “Democrats support violence”, “Democrats support Antifa”, “Democrats support Hamas”, etc, etc, that is when I have to take strong issue because it’s bullsh!t. 

Umm... allowing something to happen is exactly "tacit endorsement":

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tacit endorsement 
noun

A form of approval or support that is implied rather than explicitly expressed.

Example
The committee's tacit endorsement of the new policy was evident in their lack of objections.

Synonyms
implicit approval, silent endorsement, unspoken support

https://getidiom.com/dictionary/english/tacit-endorsement

Allowing Antifa to take over CHAZ was a tacit endorsement of Antifa.  

Well, other than Durkin with her "block party" vibe, that's an explicit endorsement.  And the socialist Councilwoman I mentioned earlier. 

It was also a dereliction of their sworn commitment to protect the people that lived and worked in those areas.

HTH

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

27 minutes ago, Strike said:

Watch @The Real timschochet disappear because this article destroys his entire argument.

The issue is that he's looking for statements like "I support Hamas!!!" When there is literally no politician that would come out directly and say that. Their actions and other statements put together will support that stance, but he won't believe it because they didn't "explicitly say." 

Tim is a Sith; only deals in absolutes. 

[Strike 5,538]

2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The issue is that he's looking for statements like "I support Hamas!!!" When there is literally no politician that would come out directly and say that. Their actions and other statements put together will support that stance, but he won't believe it because they didn't "explicitly say." 

Tim is a Sith; only deals in absolutes. 

Only on the left.  If Trump says some Mexicans are violent Tim interprets that to mean Trump is racist and wants to commit genocide against all brown people.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

According to Tim it’s ok for groups to take over city blocks that don’t belong to them and restrict access as long as there’s no violence.  Got it. 

[Strike 5,538]

20 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

According to Tim it’s ok for groups to take over city blocks that don’t belong to them and restrict access as long as there’s no violence.  Got it. 

And burn down police stations.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

2 minutes ago, Strike said:

And burn down police stations.

Of course. Besides, don’t need them if you defund them.  

[Meglamaniac 497]

37 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

According to Tim it’s ok for groups to take over city blocks that don’t belong to them and restrict access as long as there’s no violence.  Got it. 

I'm sure he can find a poll that tells him most of America would say its OK

[RLLD 4,230]

52 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The issue is that he's looking for statements like "I support Hamas!!!" When there is literally no politician that would come out directly and say that. Their actions and other statements put together will support that stance, but he won't believe it because they didn't "explicitly say." 

Tim is a Sith; only deals in absolutes. 

I wonder.  Has anyone asked any of them to denounce Hamas? I mean, THAT after all is a leftist tactic right? Insist on denouncement and what not....why not turn that on THEM?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

6 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

I'm sure he can find a poll that tells him most of America would say its OK

I wonder what the store owners and residents thought about it? Were they polled? 

[TheNewGirl 1,489]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I wonder.  Has anyone asked any of them to denounce Hamas? I mean, THAT after all is a leftist tactic right? Insist on denouncement and what not....why not turn that on THEM?

They can't. 

If they denounce Hamas they will lose their "free Palestine" voters. 

 

[RLLD 4,230]

Just now, TheNewGirl said:

They can't. 

If they denounce Hamas they will lose their "free Palestine" voters. 

 

I am a little surprised that no one has at least confronted that viper Talib....or that filth Omar.....no one has??

[Strike 5,538]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I am a little surprised that no one has at least confronted that viper Talib....or that filth Omar.....no one has??

Who?  The MSM?

[Fnord 2,264]

1 hour ago, The Real timschochet said:

 But when you and @RLLD and others make blanket statements like “Democrats support violence”, “Democrats support Antifa”, “Democrats support Hamas”, etc, etc, that is when I have to take strong issue because it’s bullsh!t. 

This. Times a kajillion. It's impressive that MAGA and associated parties continue to return to these lies, then seemingly double down on the rhetoric every time a violent rightie starts shooting at people, like the MN assassinations. 

You all HATE when a "shitlib" says disparaging things about ALL REPUBLICANS but can't stop yourselves from doing the same shlt. If I call MAGA racist, all of the same dopes in here word-vomiting hate against lefties will freak out on me for being a liar. Deservedly so, because it's a dirty, hateful lie that just causes unnecessary division. So why can't you practice what you preach? 

Grow up, grow a pair, and stop being part of the problem by repeating disgusting lies. 

[RLLD 4,230]

8 minutes ago, Strike said:

Who?  The MSM?

I would think that when they were moving around running from a Fox reporter that someone may have yelled it to them?   I surmise that would be the best we could hope for. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

14 minutes ago, Fnord said:

This. Times a kajillion. It's impressive that MAGA and associated parties continue to return to these lies, then seemingly double down on the rhetoric every time a violent rightie starts shooting at people, like the MN assassinations. 

You all HATE when a "shitlib" says disparaging things about ALL REPUBLICANS but can't stop yourselves from doing the same shlt. If I call MAGA racist, all of the same dopes in here word-vomiting hate against lefties will freak out on me for being a liar. Deservedly so, because it's a dirty, hateful lie that just causes unnecessary division. So why can't you practice what you preach? 

Grow up, grow a pair, and stop being part of the problem by repeating disgusting lies. 

This guy.  Nods along while the term “birthing person” is used to define a woman 

[Nomad99 742]

2 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

not “from the river to sea” which can have more than one meaning 

THIS Is why you have zero credibility here.

[Fnord 2,264]

41 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

This guy.  Nods along while the term “birthing person” is used to define a woman 

More lies. Link to me ever being involved in a conversation discussing this?  That's rhetorical, since we all know you're FOS and wouldn't post a link even if you found one (you can't) and knew how (you don't).

 Are you a bigot? Shall I lump you in with the unsavory crowds you want to throw me in with? I'm not gonna. I'll be the bigger man. You make it easy by being such a small (and small-minded) one.

[seafoam1 3,017]

4 minutes ago, Fnord said:

More lies. Link to me ever being involved in a conversation discussing this?  That's rhetorical, since we all know you're FOS and wouldn't post a link even if you found one (you can't) and knew how (you don't).

 Are you a bigot? Shall I lump you in with the unsavory crowds you want to throw me in with? I'm not gonna. I'll be the bigger man. You make it easy by being such a small (and small-minded) one.

Link?

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

More lies. Link to me ever being involved in a conversation discussing this?  That's rhetorical, since we all know you're FOS and wouldn't post a link even if you found one (you can't) and knew how (you don't).

 Are you a bigot? Shall I lump you in with the unsavory crowds you want to throw me in with? I'm not gonna. I'll be the bigger man. You make it easy by being such a small (and small-minded) one.

I said you nod along. It’s figurative. See, you don’t automatically dismiss anyone that says foolish things like that. And I would bet that you have voted for someone who has, and wouldn’t disqualify anyone that has.  My observation holds water. 

[Ron_Artest 1,509]

ICE detained a Marine veteran's wife. He doesn't know how to tell their children where she went.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-detains-marine-corps-veteran-wife/

Trump sure hates the Marines.

[jonnyutah 287]

9 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This story is exploding. I’ve seen it everywhere, heard his family the interviewed. 

ICE has made it worse by lying about him: they claim he tried to attack them with his weed wacker, but there is video to show that did not happen. 

We get that this is what some of you voted for. But most of America doesn’t want this.

Lol. There is video. Yep. There is. https://youtu.be/V3p1jLOtSwc?si=vedqp2JZ_CcFFjOK

[jonnyutah 287]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

ICE detained a Marine veteran's wife. He doesn't know how to tell their children where she went.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ice-detains-marine-corps-veteran-wife/

Trump sure hates the Marines.

Hahahahaha. Buh bye you fat tub of goo. Deportation order since 2018.

[Frozenbeernuts 2,263]

After reading through more replies, I've come to the conclusion that the conservative posters here are using orders of magnitude more common sense than the liberals.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,417]

10 hours ago, The Real timschochet said:

This story is exploding. I’ve seen it everywhere, heard his family the interviewed. 

ICE has made it worse by lying about him: they claim he tried to attack them with his weed wacker, but there is video to show that did not happen. 

We get that this is what some of you voted for. But most of America doesn’t want this.

Exploding! . Foiled again. Take a lap. 

[Sandy Loam 98]

10 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

BLM/Antifa are the modern day Brownshirts of the Democrat Party.  

BLM!

ANTIFA!

They haven't been in the news much the last five years, by the way.

[The Real timschochet 6,760]

3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Exploding! . Foiled again. Take a lap. 

The only people foiled are ICE. Caught lying, it’s pretty embarrassing and this story just gets bigger and bigger: 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna214801

[Sandy Loam 98]

These so-called L.A. riots are a big, beautiful nothingburger.

Our trash dumpsters are burning!

lol.

 

[seafoam1 3,017]

3 minutes ago, Sandy Loam said:

These so-called L.A. riots are a big, beautiful nothingburger.

Our trash dumpsters are burning!

lol.

 

You're welcome. -President Donald Trump. 

Poor pimpledoosh. He's hurting bad...

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

DOJ sues the entire Federal District Court of Maryland for impeding and interfering with the exclusive powers of the Executive Branch (separation of powers) regarding immigration.

This is what I voted for! 

#winningSoBadItHurts

[RLLD 4,230]

1 hour ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

DOJ sues the entire Federal District Court of Maryland for impeding and interfering with the exclusive powers of the Executive Branch (separation of powers) regarding immigration.

This is what I voted for! 

#winningSoBadItHurts

I am down with this.  I abhor the lawfare which Democrats have fomented, but maybe given a taste of their own medicine they stop this nonsense. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome 4,099]

6 hours ago, RLLD said:

I am down with this.  I abhor the lawfare which Democrats have fomented, but maybe given a taste of their own medicine they stop this nonsense. 

Next Up for the Left: Small claims liberal judge issues a nationwide injunction on all immigration deportations!