TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: That you’re an ankle biting liar? I’d pretty much agree with that. Or do you wanna call on the board again? So I’ll take that as a no to the question below? 12 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Should we be expecting anything to back up your claim that Democrats gerrymander “far far more,” ever? curious, do you think Massachusetts is gerrymandered? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 863 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I don’t lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gladiators 2,081 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I don’t lie. That's a lie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: So I’ll take that as a no to the question below? curious, do you think Massachusetts is gerrymandered? I know you’re gonna want to go down the road YOU specifically want to go down. The state of Massachusetts votes somewhere around 35 to 40% Republican, but let’s say 35%. They have no seats whatsoever. Want to take a few other New England states? Pretty much the same numbers. So you have a swath of full states with millions of Republican voters that have zero representation. So while I’m not gonna play this little set up game. Those numbers are factual. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 863 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, cyclone24 said: I know you’re gonna want to go down the road YOU specifically want to go down. The state of Massachusetts votes somewhere around 35 to 40% Republican, but let’s say 35%. They have no seats whatsoever. Want to take a few other New England states? Pretty much the same numbers. So you have a swath of full states with millions of Republican voters that have zero representation. So while I’m not gonna play this little set up game. Those numbers are factual. Que the "Thanks for confirming" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, cyclone24 said: I know you’re gonna want to go down the road YOU specifically want to go down. The state of Massachusetts votes somewhere around 35 to 40% Republican, but let’s say 35%. They have no seats whatsoever. Want to take a few other New England states? Pretty much the same numbers. So you have a swath of full states with millions of Republican voters that have zero representation. So while I’m not gonna play this little set up game. Those numbers are factual. Having zero seats doesn’t mean it’s gerrymandered. I literally just posted a scientific study showing that. Let me know when you’re ready to share your evidence that Dems gerrymander “far far more,” or admit you lied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 4 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said: Actually you know what, you got me, I lied the other day to you when I said I didn’t know where the posts went where I quoted you. Other than that, zero lies from me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 863 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Actually you know what, you got me, i don't want you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 On 10/2/2025 at 4:28 PM, TimHauck said: @Meglamaniac is awesome! Whoops forgot about this one, this was a lie too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Having zero seats doesn’t mean it’s gerrymandered. I literally just posted a scientific study showing that. Let me know when you’re ready to share your evidence that Dems gerrymander “far far more,” or admit you lied. I didn’t say it was or wasn’t. I’m not an idiot. I know where you’re trying to go with it. Its feeble Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said: Que the "Thanks for confirming" Somewhere around 30 or 40% of the New England state vote Republican. Take a guess how many seats they have. But Tim says it’s not occurring so….. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Somewhere around 30 or 40% of the New England state vote Republican. Take a guess how many seats they have. But Tim says it’s not occurring so….. I guess you’re doing the GC righty thing of not stating an opinion, but Massachusetts is not gerrymandered. Other blue states are and it’s bad when they do it too. But blue states don’t do it “far far more” which you did claim, and I’ve shared data to back this up. Your turn, or admit you lied. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,816 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Somewhere around 30 or 40% of the New England state vote Republican. Take a guess how many seats they have. But Tim says it’s not occurring so….. Mass is actually not gerrymandered, at least not egregiously, IIRC. If you're looking for real Dem gerrymanders, you need to look at Illinois and Maryland. But factually, the Reps enjoy more of an advantage nationwide from gerrymandered districts. I've researched it and posted it here, but I'm not gonna go looking for it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ron_Artest 3,077 Posted February 5 6 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: I’m not an idiot. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Fnord said: Mass is actually not gerrymandered, at least not egregiously, IIRC. If you're looking for real Dem gerrymanders, you need to look at Illinois and Maryland. But factually, the Reps enjoy more of an advantage nationwide from gerrymandered districts. I've researched it and posted it here, but I'm not gonna go looking for it. Yup. But unfortunately: On 2/3/2026 at 12:21 PM, Meglamaniac said: you're wasting your time Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,816 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Fnord said: Mass is actually not gerrymandered, at least not egregiously, IIRC. If you're looking for real Dem gerrymanders, you need to look at Illinois and Maryland. But factually, the Reps enjoy more of an advantage nationwide from gerrymandered districts. I've researched it and posted it here, but I'm not gonna go looking for it. Well, I went looking for it. Here ya go @cyclone24 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, Fnord said: Well, I went looking for it. Here ya go @cyclone24 I’ve seen that particular graph before I think the issue is Tim is looking at it state by state as if they are all equal. I would expect on some level that sure Republicans because they control far far more counties far far more states overall that their level or times of opportunity will probably be more. What he fails to mention is the concentration or the wasted votes. The left has gerrymandered out Republicans and made sure to have all of these metros throttled full tilt. But red states definitely have more wiggle room. Take illinois….Democrats holding 14 of 17 congressional seats despite Republicans getting 40-45% of the statewide vote, with Chicago’s urban core split in ways that minimize competitive races. And that’s similar to what’s going on in New England where REPs hold no representation. So the left yes is far better at diluting Republican votes. So if tim wants to spend two or three days biting ankles like a good boy over not using more concentrated versus far more? Have at it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,816 Posted February 5 I was wrong about Maryland! Not gerrymandered. Huh. Pro Dem: IL (soooo egregiously bad), NV (not bad), OR (pretty bad), NM (bad), ND (what? yup, Dems are so awesome at gerrymandering that ND, despite being pretty deep red, is considered a pro-Dem partisan gerrymander, same with...)Alafuckingbama! Pro Dem gerrymander! LOL There's way more Rep ones, but I know ya don't really care. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, Fnord said: I was wrong about Maryland! Not gerrymandered. Huh. Pro Dem: IL (soooo egregiously bad), NV (not bad), OR (pretty bad), NM (bad), ND (what? yup, Dems are so awesome at gerrymandering that ND, despite being pretty deep red, is considered a pro-Dem partisan gerrymander, same with...)Alafuckingbama! Pro Dem gerrymander! LOL There's way more Rep ones, but I know ya don't really care. It would be interesting to see if you got rid of gerrymandering what voting results, actual voting would end up looking like. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,816 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: I’ve seen that particular graph before I think the issue is Tim is looking at it state by state as if they are all equal. I would expect on some level that sure Republicans because they control far far more counties far far more states overall that their level or times of opportunity will probably be more. What he fails to mention is the concentration or the wasted votes. The left has gerrymandered out Republicans and made sure to have all of these metros throttled full tilt. But red states definitely have more wiggle room. Take illinois….Democrats holding 14 of 17 congressional seats despite Republicans getting 40-45% of the statewide vote, with Chicago’s urban core split in ways that minimize competitive races. And that’s similar to what’s going on in New England where REPs hold no representation. So the left yes is far better at diluting Republican votes. So if tim wants to spend two or three days biting ankles like a good boy over not using more concentrated versus far more? Have at it. Yes, acknowledged, IL is the worst Dem example. It's shameful. Pro Rep gerrymanders: Utah (zero Dem representation), same with Kansas, OK, IA and AR. TX, LA, OH, TN, the Carolinas, FL, GA, WI are a fat mess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fnord 2,816 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: It would be interesting to see if you got rid of gerrymandering what voting results, actual voting would end up looking like. I'd love to find out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: I’ve seen that particular graph before I think the issue is Tim is looking at it state by state as if they are all equal. I would expect on some level that sure Republicans because they control far far more counties far far more states overall that their level or times of opportunity will probably be more. What he fails to mention is the concentration or the wasted votes. The left has gerrymandered out Republicans and made sure to have all of these metros throttled full tilt. But red states definitely have more wiggle room. Take illinois….Democrats holding 14 of 17 congressional seats despite Republicans getting 40-45% of the statewide vote, with Chicago’s urban core split in ways that minimize competitive races. And that’s similar to what’s going on in New England where REPs hold no representation. So the left yes is far better at diluting Republican votes. So if tim wants to spend two or three days biting ankles like a good boy over not using more concentrated versus far more? Have at it. Well let’s recap the claims you made earlier: 17 hours ago, cyclone24 said: Not even remotely to the extent liberal states have. 17 hours ago, cyclone24 said: You need a link to show that Democratic states have gerrymandered states far far more than Republican ones? Really? Not sure how you can prove or disprove these claims saying Dem states do it “far far more” without “going state by state.” Which you then start doing in your post you just made anyway… Since we know you’re not going to provide your own data, any thoughts on this data below? On 8/15/2025 at 7:45 AM, TimHauck said: Interesting data here: https://www.politifact.com/article/2025/aug/04/jd-vance-redistricting-california-texas-democratic/ Among the 35 states with at least 4 house seats, California ranks 13th in the % difference of house seats vs 2024 Presidential vote share. Of the 12 states with bigger discrepancies, 7 favor Republicans and 5 favor Democrats. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Well let’s recap the claims you made earlier: Not sure how you can prove or disprove these claims saying Dem states do it “far far more” without “going state by state.” Which you then start doing in your post you just made anyway… Since we know you’re not going to provide your own data, any thoughts on this data below? Far more concentrated for metros diluting republican votes Yip Yip. Yo quiero Taco Bell Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 17 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Far more concentrated for metros diluting republican votes Link? Again, just because you say something doesn’t make it true. You’ve now been provided multiple data sources disputing your claim and all you have are childish replies, I guess I will take that as an admission of defeat Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 30 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: It would be interesting to see if you got rid of gerrymandering what voting results, actual voting would end up looking like. Massachusetts would look about the same. HTH Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 Interesting that @Meglamaniac isn’t really commenting on the actual substance of the posts here, I bet he agrees that @cyclone24 is wrong but just doesn’t want to call him out on it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RaiderHaters Revenge 4,625 Posted February 5 gerrymandering should be illegal counties of 750k should have a rep, counties of less than 1 mil should partner with other countries to make a coalition of 750k 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hardcore troubadour 16,470 Posted February 5 I hate all of them. I just hate one more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Meglamaniac 863 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Interesting that @Meglamaniac isn’t really commenting on the actual substance of the posts here, I bet he agrees that @cyclone24 is wrong but just doesn’t want to call him out on it 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 3 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Interesting that @Meglamaniac isn’t really commenting on the actual substance of the posts here, I bet he agrees that @cyclone24 is wrong but just doesn’t want to call him out on it Lol Jesus, did you get stuffed in lockers as a kid? I’ve never seen somebody so desperate to have someone come save them and you keep tagging him in it like we don’t see it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 9 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Lol Jesus, did you get stuffed in lockers as a kid? I’ve never seen somebody so desperate to have someone come save them and you keep tagging him in it like we don’t see it. I know he’s not going to “save” me, I’m just calling out his hypocrisy. And bonus points that I know it annoys him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 17 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Link? Again, just because you say something doesn’t make it true. You’ve now been provided multiple data sources disputing your claim and all you have are childish replies, I guess I will take that as an admission of defeat No link I take it @cyclone24? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 10 minutes ago, TimHauck said: No link I take it @cyclone24? I’m not gonna sleep with you, dude Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: I’m not gonna sleep with you, dude Weird that both yours and @Reality’s mind goes to stuff like that. Maybe @Meglamaniac will sleep with you though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Weird that both yours and @Reality’s mind goes to stuff like that. Maybe @Meglamaniac will sleep with you though Who is the X factor? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 Just now, cyclone24 said: Who is the X factor? blind loyalty to the Republican Party Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: blind loyalty to the Republican Party Did I read that correctly that you voted for Trump three times? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 @cyclone24: Dem states gerrymander far far more me and @Fnord: no they don’t. Here’s some data showing this @cyclone24: Whatabout Illinois? @Fnord: yes Illinois is gerrymandered. Blue states do gerrymander, but not far far more than red states @cyclone24: I’m not going to sleep with you! yo quiero Taco Bell! just about sums up trying to have an adult conversation with most GC righties Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TimHauck 3,662 Posted February 5 Just now, cyclone24 said: Did I read that correctly that you voted for Trump three times? Yes. But I obviously don’t agree with everything he does, nor do I support all Republicans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cyclone24 2,165 Posted February 5 8 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Yes. But I obviously don’t agree with everything he does, nor do I support all Republicans. Times voted for Trump: Tim: 3 Cyclone: 2 Lol Im never leaving this site. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
