Gerrymandering

[Ron_Artest]

Trump now wants the FBI to get involved to help Texas steal congressional seats.

Another example of authoritarianism and it will back fire against the public.

 

[Mike Honcho]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

Trump now wants the FBI to get involved to help Texas steal congressional seats.

Another example of authoritarianism and it will back fire against the public.

 

Fair and free elections. 

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

11 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

I'm not going to bother with what-aboutism, it's wrong.  It makes it nearly impossible for people to remove a badly performing elected party and it needs to end. 

But, you are wrong as usual. And as I pointed out earlier, operation REDMAP was in 2010, something else you managed to avoid reading. 

 

 

Yeah, sorry, but your not going to convince me - OR ANYONE - that CA put together a "independent" commission.  GTFO.  

And, again, your fake concern while your team already has their gerrymandered districts in place is hilarious.  I would say you START complaining about those in place districts first before you start pointing fingers.  Once you and your side clean up your house, then I'll accept your fake concern.

[TimHauck]

14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Yeah, sorry, but your not going to convince me - OR ANYONE - that CA put together a "independent" commission.  GTFO.  

And, again, your fake concern while your team already has their gerrymandered districts in place is hilarious.  I would say you START complaining about those in place districts first before you start pointing fingers.  Once you and your side clean up your house, then I'll accept your fake concern.

Are you concerned with your side doing it?

[Ron_Artest]

46 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Are you concerned with your side doing it?

Of course he's not, it's the Maga way.  Someone at some point in history has done something wrong, therefore we're justified in doing wrong stuff too.  Terrible way of living.

[TimHauck]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Of course he's not, it's the Maga way.  Someone at some point in history has done something wrong, therefore we're justified in doing wrong stuff too.  Terrible way of living.

@EternalShinyAndChrome’s hypocrisy is so weird.  He does this in multiple threads.  Whatabouts to a comparison about democrats doing something, but never actually says whether or not that thing is bad.

[Sandy Loam]

54 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Are you concerned with your side doing it?

They support whatever can further the MAGA agenda, regardless of how hypocritical, ridiculous and straight-up wrong it might be.

[Ron_Artest]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@EternalShinyAndChrome’s hypocrisy is so weird.  He does this in multiple threads.  Whatabouts to a comparison about democrats doing something, but never actually says whether or not that thing is bad.

Yeah it's odd.  You have your die hard magas that gargle trumps balls, but he doesn't really do that, he just says how bad democrats are.  He even claimed that he didn't vote for Trump.

[The Real timschochet]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

@EternalShinyAndChrome’s hypocrisy is so weird.  He does this in multiple threads.  Whatabouts to a comparison about democrats doing something, but never actually says whether or not that thing is bad.

It’s worse than that. He never offers any evidence that the other side is committing the act. When challenged about that he does what he did here: laughs it off and says something like “we all know what they did”, puts “independent” in quotes, etc. His whataboutisms are never actually backed by facts. 

[TimHauck]

6 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s worse than that. He never offers any evidence that the other side is committing the act. When challenged about that he does what he did here: laughs it off and says something like “we all know what they did”, puts “independent” in quotes, etc. His whataboutisms are never actually backed by facts. 

Well we know Dems have gerrymandered, and yes it’s bad when they do it too.  I’m not familiar enough with the “independent commission” thing to comment about it, but yes @EternalShinyAndChrome does stuff like laughing things off, and when asked to clarify what he means will deny or ignore it.

[Ron_Artest]

Also, twice in the past 5 years Democrats have tried to ban gerrymandering nationwide and republicans stopped it.

So while history shows both sides have done, recent history show Democrats oppose gerrymandering and Republicans are for it.

Obviously the public is with the democrats.

[The Real timschochet]

5 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well we know Dems have gerrymandered

Sure. But it’s never been as blatant or heavy handed as this. 

[Mike Honcho]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Also, twice in the past 5 years Democrats have tried to ban gerrymandering nationwide and republicans stopped it.

So while history shows both sides have done, recent history show Democrats oppose gerrymandering and Republicans are for it.

Obviously the public is with the democrats.

Based on recent Scotus decisions, I think it will require a constitutional amendment to end this abuse. 

And while we are doing that, let's end the electoral college too, which outlived it's reason for existence when slavery ended. We could call it the Free and Fair Elections Amendment. 

[seafoam1]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Based on recent Scotus decisions, I think it will require a constitutional amendment to end this abuse. 

And while we are doing that, let's end the electoral college too, which outlived it's reason for existence when slavery ended. We could call it the Free and Fair Elections Amendment. 

Another guy who doesn't know why the electoral college is necessary.

[Meglamaniac]

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Also, twice in the past 5 years Democrats have tried to ban gerrymandering nationwide and republicans stopped it.

So while history shows both sides have done, recent history show Democrats oppose gerrymandering and Republicans are for it.

Obviously the public is with the democrats.

Who was in control when the Dems tried to ban it?

[Meglamaniac]

15 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

Sure. But it’s never been as blatant or heavy handed as this. 

LOL

[Grace Under Pressure]

7 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Based on recent Scotus decisions, I think it will require a constitutional amendment to end this abuse. 

And while we are doing that, let's end the electoral college too, which outlived it's reason for existence when slavery ended. We could call it the Free and Fair Elections Amendment. 

This. Majority wins. Can't win the popular vote? You lose the election. Simple.

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

35 minutes ago, The Real timschochet said:

It’s worse than that. He never offers any evidence that the other side is committing the act. When challenged about that he does what he did here: laughs it off and says something like “we all know what they did”, puts “independent” in quotes, etc. His whataboutisms are never actually backed by facts. 

WTF you talking about?  I offered up Illinois and CA as an example, but there's more.

If there is one thing worse than your predictions, it's your gaslighting and complete ignorance.

[TimHauck]

2 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

WTF you talking about?  I offered up Illinois and CA as an example, but there's more.

If there is one thing worse than your predictions, it's your gaslighting and complete ignorance.

Will you admit it’s bad when either side does it?  

[Meglamaniac]

10 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Will you admit it’s bad when either side does it?  

Check yes or no

[seafoam1]

23 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

This. Majority wins. Can't win the popular vote? You lose the election. Simple.

Princess Grace doesn't understand the need for the electoral college. 

[Ron_Artest]

32 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

Who was in control when the Dems tried to ban it?

For the people Act, 2019 and 2021, both times passed the democratic led house, failed in the senate by Republican fillibuster

Freedom to vote Act, 2021, passed the democratic led house, failed in the senate by Republican fillibuster.

Simple answer, Republicans.

[Meglamaniac]

8 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

For the people Act, 2019 and 2021, both times passed the democratic led house, failed in the senate by Republican fillibuster

Freedom to vote Act, 2021, passed the democratic led house, failed in the senate by Republican fillibuster.

Simple answer, Republicans.

LOL

OK

[Ron_Artest]

2 minutes ago, Meglamaniac said:

LOL

OK

Yeah it's hilarious, but you have no other reply,

[Meglamaniac]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

Yeah it's hilarious, but you have no other reply,

Yawn

[squistion]

 

[Meglamaniac]

13 minutes ago, squistion said:

 

FRANNY!!!!!!!!!!!

[zsasz]

They should add more seats to the House.  The representation of Congressmen to Number of Constituents has gotten way out of line; nothing like it was envisioned by the Founding Fathers.  

[seafoam1]

3 minutes ago, zsasz said:

They should add more seats to the House.  The representation of Congressmen to Number of Constituents has gotten way out of line; nothing like it was envisioned by the Founding Fathers.  

You literally know nothing zazzy. 

[squistion]

What federal laws have been broken that would involve the FBI?

https://x.com/kylegriffin1/status/1953463689782116588

Flag: Republican John Cornyn says the FBI has agreed to his request to help track down the Texas state Democrats who left the state to block a severely gerrymandered congressional map. 

[HellToupee]

Massachusetts gerrymandered the Rs completely out. No one said boo

[Ron_Artest]

But no Epstein files.

Nice to see Republicans care more about taking away votes from brown and black people than justice for child rape victims.

[Meglamaniac]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

But no Epstein files.

Nice to see Republicans care more about taking away votes from brown and black people than justice for child rape victims.

https://giphy.com/gifs/ggg-gaslight-gas-light-l8jzj6bSUkGzAHlOsF

 

[seafoam1]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

But no Epstein files.

Nice to see Republicans care more about taking away votes from brown and black people than justice for child rape victims.

Creepy joe sat on those ghost files for four years and you libtards never demanded to see them even once. 

[jerryskids]

Figure I'll put this here since it seems relevant:

Quote

Trump orders new census excluding undocumented immigrants

LALEE IBSSA and ALEXANDRA HUTZLER

Thu, August 7, 2025 at 6:06 AM MST

2 min read

 

President Donald Trump on Thursday demanded work begin on a new census as redistricting battles are spreading across the country.

In a social media post, Trump announced he directed the Commerce Department to "immediately begin work on a new and highly accurate CENSUS based on modern day facts and figures and, importantly, using the results and information gained from the Presidential Election of 2024."

"People who are in our Country illegally WILL NOT BE COUNTED IN THE CENSUS," Trump added.

The U.S. Census Bureau says it "collects data from all foreign born who participate in its censuses and surveys, regardless of legal status" and has done so for its 235-year history. The data determines how the 435 House seats are divided among the 50 states every 10 years.

Trump's announcement on Thursday comes amid a showdown in Texas over a proposed congressional map that, if enacted, could net Republicans between three and five U.S. House seats in next year's midterm elections.

With control of the U.S. House potentially at stake, blue-state Democrats are vowing to respond in kind should Texas Republicans succeed in changing their map.

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul and California Gov. Gavin Newsom said they will explore ways to gerrymander their maps. Both states currently use independent commissions to draw their maps following constitutional amendments.

MORE: How redistricting in Texas and other states could change the game for US House elections

More Republican governors, too, are exploring possibly redrawing congressional maps ahead of the 2026 elections given the GOP's razor-thin margins in the House. Democrats would need to only net three seats next November to win back the House.

Vice President JD Vance is visiting Indiana on Thursday to discuss redistricting and other topics with Republican leaders.

Trump in his first term attempted to change the U.S. census to exclude noncitizens. In 2019, the Supreme Court ruled that Commerce Department's attempt to add a citizenship question to the 2020 census violated federal law.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-orders-census-excluding-undocumented-130600323.html

I think we should count them, since knowledge is power, but we absolutely should NOT include them in determining congressional seats.

[Meglamaniac]

9 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

Figure I'll put this here since it seems relevant:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-orders-census-excluding-undocumented-130600323.html

I think we should count them, since knowledge is power, but we absolutely should NOT include them in determining congressional seats.

Agreed

[squistion]

What is known as the law of unintended consequences:

 

[Meglamaniac]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

What is known as the law of unintended consequences:

 

Ahmed Baba

LOL

Ahmed Baba and the forty thieves

Ahmed Baba and the forty thieves

Ahmed Baba and the forty thieves

 

 

[The Real timschochet]

19 hours ago, jerryskids said:

Figure I'll put this here since it seems relevant:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-orders-census-excluding-undocumented-130600323.html

I think we should count them, since knowledge is power, but we absolutely should NOT include them in determining congressional seats.

Then you’ll have to change the Constitution. “Whole Persons” has never been limited to citizens. 

[BrahmaBulls]

23 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

But no Epstein files.

Nice to see Republicans care more about taking away votes from brown and black people than justice for child rape victims.

Blame Biden for not releasing them when he was in charge, crybaby