The Psychic Observer Posted March 31 Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: But again you’re taking numbers and I said this three times from a Russian invasion and Covid. He had no options to do anything else at that point. You’re trying to make it sound like he was this pro gas guy when none of his actual policies reflected that. except the policy to produce more oil than any country in human history. Quote
cyclone24 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said: except the policy to produce more oil than any country in human history. Uh huh….thanks for playing. “I would transition from the oil industry, yes… because the oil industry pollutes significantly…” “Number one, no more subsidies for [the] fossil fuel industry. No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period, ends, number one.” “I want you to look into my eyes. I guarantee you; I guarantee you, we are going to end fossil fuel, and I am not going to cooperate with them.” (to anti-fossil fuel activist.) Quote
The Psychic Observer Posted March 31 Posted March 31 3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Uh huh….thanks for playing. “I would transition from the oil industry, yes… because the oil industry pollutes significantly…” “Number one, no more subsidies for [the] fossil fuel industry. No more drilling on federal lands. No more drilling, including offshore. No ability for the oil industry to continue to drill, period, ends, number one.” “I want you to look into my eyes. I guarantee you; I guarantee you, we are going to end fossil fuel, and I am not going to cooperate with them.” (to anti-fossil fuel activist.) And it was BS. Sorry you fell for it. Want me to quote Trump saying No New Wars? Quote
cyclone24 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said: And it was BS. Sorry you fell for it. Want me to quote Trump saying No New Wars? OK, but don’t say that he was some pro gas president when he was farthest thing from it. That’s the argument you’re making and now that it’s blown up, you’re trying to shift it to some goal post moving but but but Trump stuff. classic 1 Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted March 31 Posted March 31 18 minutes ago, The Psychic Observer said: except the policy to produce more oil than any country in human history. You have an EV, what do you care? Quote
The Psychic Observer Posted March 31 Posted March 31 5 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: OK, but don’t say that he was some pro gas president when he was farthest thing from it. That’s the argument you’re making and now that it’s blown up, you’re trying to shift it to some goal post moving but but but Trump stuff. classic The only arguments I made is that Biden increasing electric car production doesn't result in high gas prices today and that Biden produced the most oil of any country in human history. Both of these arguments you were on the loser side of. Quote
cyclone24 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 1 minute ago, The Psychic Observer said: The only arguments I made is that Biden increasing electric car production doesn't result in high gas prices today and that Biden produced the most oil of any country in human history. Both of these arguments you were on the loser side of. sure sweetheart. Sorry, absolutely nobody but you weird liberals buy that BS narrative. Also people aren’t morons. They can see context. Sorry the quotes rattled you so much that you have to ignore actual context of how it happened to make a thinly veiled argument and then…naturally…and quite expected….but but but trump. His quotes are the quotes. Sorry. Quote
thegeneral Posted March 31 Posted March 31 1 hour ago, cyclone24 said: sure sweetheart. Sorry, absolutely nobody but you weird liberals buy that BS narrative. Also people aren’t morons. They can see context. Sorry the quotes rattled you so much that you have to ignore actual context of how it happened to make a thinly veiled argument and then…naturally…and quite expected….but but but trump. His quotes are the quotes. Sorry. US oil production under Biden went up every year. The last two years were records. Quote
seafoam1 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 Gas prices down today. Trump is the best president ever. 1 Quote
cyclone24 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 2 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Gas prices down today. Trump is the best president ever. It was probably because of Biden Quote
seafoam1 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 13 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: It was probably because of Biden If Biden did the right thing and ripped Iran to shreds like Trump is doing, somehow gas prices her would be like $15 a gallon and the liberals would be cheering him on saying he is helping the world to be a better place and it's worth it. Quote
thegeneral Posted March 31 Posted March 31 8 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: If Biden did the right thing and ripped Iran to shreds like Trump is doing, somehow gas prices her would be like $15 a gallon and the liberals would be cheering him on saying he is helping the world to be a better place and it's worth it. And you would be melting down about a war in the ME that was focked up, dead soldiers, etc. Maybe you are finally getting it! Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted March 31 Posted March 31 They'll be paying you to fill up your tank after we take Kharg Island Minus $3 a gallon 1 Quote
seafoam1 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 22 minutes ago, thegeneral said: And you would be melting down about a war in the ME that was focked up, dead soldiers, etc. Maybe you are finally getting it! Getting what? Biden could have never have pulled this off. This country would have most likely lost by now. Trump knows what he's doing, while Biden gets thirteen marines killed simply leaving a country. Dang. I doubt you will ever "get it". TDS must hurt. Quote
thegeneral Posted March 31 Posted March 31 5 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Getting what? Biden could have never have pulled this off. This country would have most likely lost by now. Trump knows what he's doing, while Biden gets thirteen marines killed simply leaving a country. Dang. I doubt you will ever "get it". TDS must hurt. We have replaced their leader with a younger equally focked up version, showed that they can close the Strait at any point they feel like, and the best case scenario is we leave in the next couple weeks with that as the end game. Only cost a few hundred billion, alienated our European allies to the point where they won’t let us land at the airfields, killed and injured hundreds of troops. Brilliant. If a Dem did this you’d be filling your diaper. Quote
seafoam1 Posted March 31 Posted March 31 33 minutes ago, thegeneral said: We have replaced their leader with a younger equally focked up version, showed that they can close the Strait at any point they feel like, and the best case scenario is we leave in the next couple weeks with that as the end game. Only cost a few hundred billion, alienated our European allies to the point where they won’t let us land at the airfields, killed and injured hundreds of troops. Brilliant. If a Dem did this you’d be filling your diaper. You do you. I guess I would be filling my diaper with you. Quote
thegeneral Posted March 31 Posted March 31 41 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: You do you. I guess I would be filling my diaper with you. So dumb Quote
Grace Under Pressure Posted April 1 Posted April 1 9 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said: List the provocations that necessitated us attacking Iran at this exact moment in time. Dumb and gullible MAGA couldn’t provide an answer, that’s surprising. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted April 1 Posted April 1 4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: They'll be paying you to fill up your tank after we take Kharg Island Minus $3 a gallon We’re not taking Kharg Island. We’re not taking anything. We’re are surrendering and leaving. Whatever your gas prices are now expect them to be higher next week and even higher the week after that. Quote
weepaws Posted April 1 Posted April 1 I thought this was going to happen under Trump, another lie. Quote
SUXBNME Posted April 1 Posted April 1 47 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: El Dorado County, CA average is $6/gallon I'm paying 5.27 per at AMPM Either way, you and I only have ourselves to blame for voting for our buddy Gavin. Why did we vote for him? Fukkin CA idiots Quote
TheNewGirl Posted April 1 Posted April 1 5 minutes ago, SUXBNME said: I'm paying 5.27 per at AMPM Either way, you and I only have ourselves to blame for voting for our buddy Gavin. Why did we vote for him? Fukkin CA idiots I’ve never voted for him. What’s this WE crap?! Quote
SUXBNME Posted April 1 Posted April 1 5 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: I’ve never voted for him. What’s this WE crap?! Sarcasm, young lady, Sarcasm I know your opinion on our waste of oxygen gov. We share it. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted April 1 Posted April 1 13 minutes ago, SUXBNME said: I'm paying 5.27 per at AMPM Either way, you and I only have ourselves to blame for voting for our buddy Gavin. Why did we vote for him? Fukkin CA idiots Gavin would never have attacked Iran without any plan to deal with Hormuz. Blaming Gavin for gas prices is, to put it as mildly as possible, asinine. 1 1 Quote
SUXBNME Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: Gavin would never have attacked Iran without any plan to deal with Hormuz. Blaming Gavin for gas prices is, to put it as mildly as possible, asinine. So...how much taxes do we have per gallon under Newsomes watch? How many refineries are leaving under his watch? I'm not even remotely talking about Iran. As a CA resident, you should know better. 1 Quote
MikeMatt Posted April 1 Posted April 1 Why are they picking on the Strait Hormuz ? What about the Ghey Hormuz. It’s like a conspiracy yo. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, SUXBNME said: So...how much taxes do we have per gallon under Newsomes watch? How many refineries are leaving under his watch? I'm not even remotely talking about Iran. As a CA resident, you should know better. Yeah California’s environmental moves, which will hopefully eventually pay dividend for this state, the nation and the world, costs us about 50 cents per gallon more. That’s a price most Californians are willing to pay for a good cause. Trump’s war, which was idiotic and achieved none of his goals, is costing us over $1.00 more and that number is going up. So once again you complaining about Newsom on this issue is just absurd. 1 1 Quote
edjr Posted April 1 Posted April 1 who pays for gas? hose? check! Neighbors that don’t have locking gas caps? check! Quote
edjr Posted April 1 Posted April 1 7 hours ago, MikeMatt said: Why are they picking on the Strait Hormuz ? What about the Ghey Hormuz. It’s like a conspiracy yo. aka liberal male hormuz Quote
Grace Under Pressure Posted April 1 Posted April 1 MAGA dopes who are dumb enough to be blaming their state governor for gas prices rising $1 per gallon in the last 30 days is exactly why America is in the worst situation it’s been in since COVID, maybe longer than that. MAGA counts on support for Trump from dumb, gullible people. And they get it, and it makes the country worse. Great job simpletons. 1 Quote
dogcows Posted April 1 Posted April 1 47 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said: MAGA dopes who are dumb enough to be blaming their state governor for gas prices rising $1 per gallon in the last 30 days is exactly why America is in the worst situation it’s been in since COVID, maybe longer than that. MAGA counts on support for Trump from dumb, gullible people. And they get it, and it makes the country worse. Great job simpletons. Trump just used $1 billion of OUR money to pay a company to shut down its wind energy project. Not only a waste of our money, but more renewables push down energy prices. So we’re double f-ed by this. The dopes think this is #winning. 1 1 Quote
thegeneral Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, edjr said: who pays for gas? hose? check! Neighbors that don’t have locking gas caps? check! A few years ago a person drilled into our car’s tank to drain it. Didn’t notice until the wife was filling up and gas started shooting out the bottom of the car. That’s some crazy shlt to do for like 10 gallons of gas. Quote
edjr Posted April 1 Posted April 1 2 hours ago, thegeneral said: A few years ago a person drilled into our car’s tank to drain it. Didn’t notice until the wife was filling up and gas started shooting out the bottom of the car. That’s some crazy shlt to do for like 10 gallons of gas. i didn’t know bleeding heart liberals drove gas cars anymore Quote
thegeneral Posted April 1 Posted April 1 1 hour ago, edjr said: i didn’t know bleeding heart liberals drove gas cars anymore If you have a two car household, typical driver, etc and were getting a new car was honestly pretty dumb not to take advantage of the incentives to pick one up. Have one and regular gas car and EV. EV is much more useful, fun to drive, cheaper to operate. Quote
edjr Posted April 1 Posted April 1 23 minutes ago, thegeneral said: If you have a two car household, typical driver, etc and were getting a new car was honestly pretty dumb not to take advantage of the incentives to pick one up. Have one and regular gas car and EV. EV is much more useful, fun to drive, cheaper to operate. I own 1000 Lucid stock and was going to buy one when the stock hit 200 Quote
thegeneral Posted April 1 Posted April 1 3 minutes ago, edjr said: I own 1000 Lucid stock and was going to buy one when the stock hit 200 I take it it don’t make it lol I know one person that bought a Lucid. Was not a pleasant experience. The time I rode it in it was running fine and was pretty badass though. Quote
edjr Posted April 1 Posted April 1 8 minutes ago, thegeneral said: I take it it don’t make it lol I know one person that bought a Lucid. Was not a pleasant experience. The time I rode it in it was running fine and was pretty badass though. They were only high end at one point. I believe they have mid now. Quote
Fnord Posted April 1 Posted April 1 5 hours ago, dogcows said: Trump just used $1 billion of OUR money to pay a company to shut down its wind energy project. Not only a waste of our money, but more renewables push down energy prices. So we’re double f-ed by this. The dopes think this is #winning. This does not get talked about enough. First cockwomble demolished our clean energy initiatives, then the stupid focker decided to start a war in the ME based on AI telling him to go for it instead of, yaknow, experts. Then Iran shuts down Hormuz, completely disrupting GLOBAL energy. https://www.nytimes.com/2026/04/01/opinion/oil-crisis-iran-electric-solar.html Some lowlights of this clusterfuck: Quote Fatih Birol, the head of the International Energy Agency, has called this “the greatest global energy security threat in history” — much worse than the 1970s oil crisis, the Covid pandemic or Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022. This conflict has disrupted a bigger share of the global oil and gas trade, and there is no way to quickly fill the gap. Countries such as India, Indonesia and Vietnam are responding to higher gas prices by burning more coal. But over the long term, this shock will accelerate a turn toward cleaner technologies, especially in Asia and Europe. This is the first oil crisis in which clean alternatives to oil and gas — solar panels, wind turbines, electric vehicles and batteries — are both inexpensive and widely available. The fuel supply crunch has already spurred consumers to embrace these technologies. As the Philippines declared a national energy emergency on March 24, car shoppers in Manila were crowding into showrooms of the Chinese carmaker BYD and purchasing E.V.s . Solar vendors and installers are reporting a sharp rise in interest from German customers. Heat pump installations are on the rise in Britain. Electric rickshaw sales are booming in Pakistan. Induction cooktops are selling out at online retailers in India. In Vietnam, a conglomerate reportedly wants to abandon plans to build the country’s biggest liquefied natural gas-fired power plant and instead pursue a renewables and battery storage project. Since the war started, the stock market valuation of each of China’s three biggest battery companies has increased by roughly 20 percent, or $70 billion altogether. For governments weighing how quickly to pivot to clean energy, Pakistan’s recent history may offer some lessons. The country was hit hard by the energy shock that followed Russia’s invasion of Ukraine in 2022. It was unable to afford suddenly exorbitant gas imports, so many of its scheduled shipments were rerouted to wealthier European buyers. But a deluge of inexpensive solar panels from China has transformed Pakistan’s energy system and helped insulate it from the current scarcity of liquefied natural gas. Solar now generates nearly 30 percent of its electricity, up from just 3 percent in 2020. The Center for Research on Energy and Clean Air has estimated that the solar boom will help Pakistan avoid $7 billion in fossil fuel imports this year. That’s shielding Pakistanis from real pain. With solar, “you can make a major dent on your fossil fuel reliance in a matter of a couple of years,” Lauri Myllyvirta, the research center’s lead analyst, told me. That’s important because it could be years before the oil and gas supply is restored to prewar levels. After Iranian missiles struck the Ras Laffan liquefied natural gas export facility in Qatar, the country ceased production of the fuel entirely, suddenly taking 20 percent of the world’s supply off the market. Officials predict it will take three to five years to bring that plant, the world’s largest, fully online again. Other operators in the region also cut back on producing oil and gas because they are running out of places to store it all. Those wells can’t just be flipped back on like a light switch; it will take months to ramp production back up, creating more pressure to find alternatives. The war will, in some ways, strain the clean energy sector, too. As inflation and interest rates go up, some project developers may struggle to finance new energy installations and grid projects. Supply chains for key items, such as transformers, aluminum and copper wire, now face their own bottlenecks and disruptions. Chaos makes everything — whether you’re building polluting energy infrastructure or clean — harder and more expensive. Countries such as India will have to make electric grids built for coal flexible enough to incorporate large amounts of wind and solar. To meet the surge in demand for clean tech, governments must decide how much to invest in their own factories to churn out all those solar panels, heat pumps and E.V.s and what tariffs to levy on imported versions, according to Tim Sahay, the co-director of the Net Zero Industrial Policy Lab at Johns Hopkins. But countries and firms can build out renewables much faster than they can construct, say, huge gas liquefaction terminals, pipelines and power plants. Achieving energy security is now an overwhelming imperative. That means not just installing more wind, solar and batteries but developing domestic clean tech manufacturing capacity and electrifying home heating and transportation. As their energy autonomy improves, more countries will see drastic reductions in health-damaging air pollution and climate-warming emissions. China has made the most progress along this path: Over the last decade it electrified large shares of its transportation and industrial sectors and cut its oil consumption by over a million barrels per day, giving it a good-sized cushion during the Iran crisis. Chinese companies have pledged to invest more than $227 billion in other countries’ capacity to manufacture E.V.s, chargers, batteries, solar, wind and other clean technologies, according to a recent report by Mr. Sahay’s lab at Johns Hopkins. China’s reduced exposure to energy turmoil is the fruit of careful planning, Mr. Sahay pointed out, dating back to the 2003 U.S. invasion of Iraq, which prompted a long-term rise in oil prices. Future oil shocks are inevitable. “Electrification will be seen as the shock absorber,” he said. That option remains available to American consumers, too, who may soon find themselves eyeing electric vehicles and heat pumps — even though the Trump administration has ripped away the incentives that made them more affordable. Just last week, I listened as the U.S. energy secretary, Chris Wright, speaking in Houston at the world’s biggest annual energy conference, framed the Trump administration’s efforts to encourage oil and gas production as a kind of humanitarian project. “The truth is simple: Energy is life and the world needs massively more of it,” he declared. If there’s irony here, it’s the tragic kind. The administration’s war of choice has made energy dangerously expensive in nearly every corner of the globe, causing needless suffering. The most fossil fuel-friendly government in recent U.S. history has shown us all just how risky reliance on oil and gas can be — and taught the world that true energy security lies in accelerating toward a cleaner, electrified future. 1 Quote
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