TNF Discussion: Seahawks @ Cardinals - Week 4

[Mike FF Today]

Inactives -

Seahawks: OT Josh Jones, S Nick Emmanwori, OLB Connor O'Toole, OLB Jared Ivey, OL Mason Richman, TE Nick Kallerup, WR Cody White

Cardinals: CB Will Johnson, WR Zay Jones, LB Xavier Thomas, OL Will Hernandez, OL Demontrey Jacobs, TE Travis Vokolek

Line: SEA -1.5
Total: 43.5

[kilroy69]

Marvin harrison jr is focking awful. He just stopped on a route that murry threw a pic on. Totally stopped. They were lucky the db fumbled. I could not have been more wrong about a player. I was sure he was going to dominate at the NFL. He is just not good. 

[LVSaint429]

Check the broadcast view from behind Murray. He looked like he was going to scramble off to the right. It’s possible Harrison was stopping to reverse his route & run with Murray, then he decided to throw it. That’s the problem with that little Smurf…when you think he can throw it he runs, then when you think he’ll run he throws

[Law]

Man! Kyler Murray sucks. What was I thinking?

[Hardcore troubadour]

Why do these players bother having a mouthpiece dangling from their facemask? 

[Mike FF Today]

Man, the start of this season for Marvin Harrison Jr. is 

[Mike FF Today]

Trey Benson is coming off the field on third downs in favor of Emari Demercado.

[Law]

It's over. IF the Cardinals want to win, to be a winning team, they need to move on from the Mighty Midget experiment. 

[kutulu]

Pretty boring game so far. TNF usually blows.

[Hardcore troubadour]

Murray needs to drop back further like Brees did. He plays like he’s a normal sized QB. 

[kutulu]

JSN: Just Sucking Nutz

[Law]

Patented Murray game. 

Suck. Suck. Suck. Garbage time stats to make it "look" good. And a loss.

[josh wiley]

Feels like kickers are much more involved on Thursday games

[show me the murray]

Question about defense here… my opponent has Arizona D and they got credited with a forced fumble and recovery, but that was while the offense was on the field. Kyler threw the INT and they fumbled, surely that shouldn’t be credited to the D/ST?

If I lose by 3 I’m gonna be p**sed…

[Hardcore troubadour]

1 hour ago, show me the murray said:

Question about defense here… my opponent has Arizona D and they got credited with a forced fumble and recovery, but that was while the offense was on the field. Kyler threw the INT and they fumbled, surely that shouldn’t be credited to the D/ST?

If I lose by 3 I’m gonna be p**sed…

That is correct. Stupid, but that’s the scoring rule. 

[plasma george]

13 hours ago, Mike FF Today said:

Trey Benson is coming off the field on third downs in favor of Emari Demercado.

I started him, and didn't know this was the case.  Anyone know if this is the plan going forward ?  Didn't see him at all most of the 4th Quarter, but he was getting receptions out of the backfield earlier.  Thought maybe he was injured.

[weepaws]

1 hour ago, plasma george said:

I started him, and didn't know this was the case.  Anyone know if this is the plan going forward ?  Didn't see him at all most of the 4th Quarter, but he was getting receptions out of the backfield earlier.  Thought maybe he was injured.

Yeah, sorry about that,  Conner wasn’t getting the ball much in the first two games, and that was my concern about Benson, how much work load would they trust him with,  but I think Zona has a coaching issue, they don’t seem to have any kind of identity on offense. 

[plasma george]

11 minutes ago, weepaws said:

Yeah, sorry about that,  Conner wasn’t getting the ball much in the first two games, and that was my concern about Benson, how much work load would they trust him with,  but I think Zona has a coaching issue, they don’t seem to have any kind of identity on offense. 

No worries, and you're right, When Connor was in there Bensen was getting work.  Seems like the coaching staff unfortunately for us, likes the approach of using 2 RBs for fresher legs throughout the games and season, IE Walker/Charboneaut.

[show me the murray]

6 hours ago, plasma george said:

I started him, and didn't know this was the case.  Anyone know if this is the plan going forward ?  Didn't see him at all most of the 4th Quarter, but he was getting receptions out of the backfield earlier.  Thought maybe he was injured.

Zona fan here. Has often been the case that Demercado comes in on 3rd downs last few seasons, particularly if it’s third and long. Part of the reason he has such a high yards per rush rate is the amount of times Petzing will call a draw on 3rd and long just to eke out a few more yards and not risk a negative play. 

Man, I hate our play calling. 

[Maximum Overkill]

I'm a little disappointed in Benson's usage but 10 points ain't nothing in Fantasy. The passing game usage was encouraging, that'll grow 

[plasma george]

18 minutes ago, show me the murray said:

Zona fan here. Has often been the case that Demercado comes in on 3rd downs last few seasons, particularly if it’s third and long. Part of the reason he has such a high yards per rush rate is the amount of times Petzing will call a draw on 3rd and long just to eke out a few more yards and not risk a negative play. 

Man, I hate our play calling. 

Nice insight from a Zona fan, What's concerning is, Benson wasn't on the field for the last couple drives, on any down.  Maybe they were easing him into the starting role?, but he looked good catching out of the back field, good hands, good moves.  If he's the better RB, Why was he on sidelines so much towards the end ?...unless he struggles in pass protection.

[Showboat]

1 hour ago, plasma george said:

Nice insight from a Zona fan, What's concerning is, Benson wasn't on the field for the last couple drives, on any down.  Maybe they were easing him into the starting role?, but he looked good catching out of the back field, good hands, good moves.  If he's the better RB, Why was he on sidelines so much towards the end ?...unless he struggles in pass protection.

I get some specialization and keeping players fresh, but I don't really understand why teams/coaches continue to put inferior players out on the field, particularly for critical situations (2-minute drill, etc.)  Reminds me of the story about the second-string RB who complained to the coach that he wasn't getting enough carries.  The coach showed him the stats that the first string RB was averaging 4.5 ypc while he was only averaging 3.5 ypc.  So the coach said, "I'll tell you what, every time I want 3.5 yards instead of 4.5 yards I'll be sure to call your number." 

[nobody]

21 hours ago, show me the murray said:

Question about defense here… my opponent has Arizona D and they got credited with a forced fumble and recovery, but that was while the offense was on the field. Kyler threw the INT and they fumbled, surely that shouldn’t be credited to the D/ST?

If I lose by 3 I’m gonna be p**sed…

I remember having this same discussion 15 years ago.

It's standard to score it that way.  Once the defensive player possesses the ball, the defense becomes the offense and the offensive players that turned it over become the defense.  

[Ray_T]

2 minutes ago, nobody said:

I remember having this same discussion 15 years ago.

It's standard to score it that way.  Once the defensive player possesses the ball, the defense becomes the offense and the offensive players that turned it over become the defense.  

100%

thats one of the luck factors in fantasy. 

But that is how they look at it.

[plasma george]

9 hours ago, Ray_T said:

100%

thats one of the luck factors in fantasy. 

But that is how they look at it.

Absolutely luck, years ago I proposed and league agreed to remove those random plays from QB RB WR TE

i think it was saints WR Meacham who fumbled, CB then fumbled and Meacham ran it in for Saints DST TD, not the Meacham owner, guy almost quit the league 

just unchecked a box on CBS

we reward offensive players for offensive things….yards, receptions, TDs etc

[Mike FF Today]

On 9/26/2025 at 9:21 AM, plasma george said:

I started him, and didn't know this was the case.  Anyone know if this is the plan going forward ?  Didn't see him at all most of the 4th Quarter, but he was getting receptions out of the backfield earlier.  Thought maybe he was injured.

I wrote about this situation today in my Usage Notes article.

[plasma george]

6 minutes ago, Mike FF Today said:

I wrote about this situation today in my Usage Notes article.

Great info, it was Seattle as a tough matchup and game script forcing the passing game 

is it the pass blocking he struggles with or catching the ball ?

has to be one of those for putting Benson on the bench, if he is more talented 

[Gepetto]

5 hours ago, Mike FF Today said:

I wrote about this situation today in my Usage Notes article.

Thanks Mike. The usage notes is very helpful. Especially this one, since I have Trey Benson.