Americans' confidence in economy lowest since 2014

[Hardcore troubadour]

8 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Because they’re too busy driving the Lamborghinis they bought with food stamps?

They didn’t buy fancy cars dumb dumb. They bought food. Duh. You can’t use food stamps to buy a car. You can use them to buy skittles though. Just like they were meant for. 

[kilroy69]

to be fair we have been told for the last 5 years that were on the verge of a recession and now we have AI to worry about taking out jobs and the war in iran. I can see how it would be low. It seems like we have been being prepared for a crash that could wipe out millions of jobs for years now. 

[Caine Mutiny]

59 minutes ago, kilroy69 said:

to be fair we have been told for the last 5 years that were on the verge of a recession and now we have AI to worry about taking out jobs and the war in iran. I can see how it would be low. It seems like we have been being prepared for a crash that could wipe out millions of jobs for years now. 

We’re not prepared at all for it. Not mentally prepared or any other way for what’s coming. 
 

Covid showed us that. Half the nation couldn’t put up with a few months of wearing masks, social distancing, or taking vaccinations. We’re a very spoiled society these days and the sort of Great Depression/World War II sacrifices our grandparents made would not happen. Heck if you could promise  prosperity for 100 years and the only price would be 30 days of no smartphones for anyone, the public wouldn’t pay it. There would be a revolution first. 

[easilyscan]

1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said:

We’re a very spoiled society these days and the sort of Great Depression/World War II sacrifices our grandparents made would not happen. Heck if you could promise  prosperity for 100 years and the only price would be 30 days of no smartphones for anyone, the public wouldn’t pay it. There would be a revolution first. 

I agree with that part of your post. You could take away my smart phone, and about the only thing I'd really miss is GPS/maps. On the other hand, if you took away the Internet & my iMac desktop, + the ability to trade stocks Monday through Friday, post here, etc., I'd probably need to be sedated to get through the withdrawal symptoms. 

Almost forgot: when you said "Not mentally prepared or any other way for what’s coming" could you be a little more specific about what's coming ?

[HellToupee]

4 hours ago, dogcows said:

The latest casualty of the Trump economy is Spirit Airlines, RIP.

Interesting fact: in their 34-year history, they never had a fatal crash. Officially the safest airline in the US. Even Rainman would have felt safe on a flight.

Nice timely bump 

 

 

[dogcows]

30 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Nice timely bump 

 

 

Not only did this doctor blame Biden and Warren for the Trump war oil price spike, but he got a racist meme in there too.

Special.

[Mike Hunt]

22 hours ago, dogcows said:

The latest casualty of the Trump economy is Spirit Airlines, RIP.

Interesting fact: in their 34-year history, they never had a fatal crash. Officially the safest airline in the US. Even Rainman would have felt safe on a flight.

Spirit was in trouble 3 years ago.  Then Biden blocked the merger of Spirit and Jet Blue that would have made both much stronger to compete against Delta and American and Warren cheered the move. 

 

 

 

SeeElizabeth Warren

I've warned for months that a Jet Blue Spirit merger would have led to fewer flights and higher fares.

We were right to stand up for consumers and fight against runaway airline consolidation. This is a Biden win for flyers!

 

[dogcows]

2 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

Spirit was in trouble 3 years ago.  Then Biden blocked the merger of Spirit and Jet Blue that would have made both much stronger to compete against Delta and American and Warren cheered the move. 

 

 

 

SeeElizabeth Warren

I've warned for months that a Jet Blue Spirit merger would have led to fewer flights and higher fares.

We were right to stand up for consumers and fight against runaway airline consolidation. This is a Biden win for flyers!

 

BIDEN!

[Caine Mutiny]

19 hours ago, easilyscan said:

 

Almost forgot: when you said "Not mentally prepared or any other way for what’s coming" could you be a little more specific about what's coming ?

I’ve been fairly straightforward about it in the Iran thread. Unless we can get the Strait of Hormuz open to all world traffic very shortly (at most another month or two which given the mines I’m not sure is technically possible even if Iran agrees or surrenders today) we are looking at the worst economic conditions in this country since the early 1930s. Not an economic collapse, not the sky is falling, but very painful. High prices coupled with high unemployment coupled with shortages in many goods and services. 

[easilyscan]

On 5/3/2026 at 10:23 AM, Caine Mutiny said:

I’ve been fairly straightforward about it in the Iran thread. Unless we can get the Strait of Hormuz open to all world traffic very shortly (at most another month or two which given the mines I’m not sure is technically possible even if Iran agrees or surrenders today) we are looking at the worst economic conditions in this country since the early 1930s. Not an economic collapse, not the sky is falling, but very painful. High prices coupled with high unemployment coupled with shortages in many goods and services. 

I think it's a huge exaggeration to compare the great depression of the early 30s to what we might experience if the Strait of Hormuz remains closed, but everyone's entitled to an opinion. Back in the 30s, wall street had crashed big time, & the midsection of the country had been turned into a desert.

The biggest difference to then and now, is that the government wasn't 40 trillion in debt and could afford a stimulus package. 

Our nation is going to end badly regardless of who's in the White House and/or who controls congress. Not a matter of if, only a matter of when our nation gets the equivalent of a margin call.

 

 

 

[Maximum Overkill]

On 5/3/2026 at 11:23 AM, Caine Mutiny said:

I’ve been fairly straightforward about it in the Iran thread. Unless we can get the Strait of Hormuz open to all world traffic very shortly (at most another month or two which given the mines I’m not sure is technically possible even if Iran agrees or surrenders today) we are looking at the worst economic conditions in this country since the early 1930s. Not an economic collapse, not the sky is falling, but very painful. High prices coupled with high unemployment coupled with shortages in many goods and services. 

 

[easilyscan]

31 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

A perfectly slapable face. Amazing how Democrats go ballistic anytime they see any sign of gouging the consumer.

But it's perfectly OK when the city is doing the gouging ?

NJ Transit confirmed that round-trip train tickets from New York City (Penn Station) to MetLife Stadium for 2026 World Cup matches will cost $150. This is a massive increase from the usual $12.50-$13 fare, driven by a funding dispute to cover $62 million in expected transit costs.

[seafoam1]

36 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

 

[dogcows]

The latest right-wing thing seems to be finally admitting the Trump economy is but attempting to blame it on a state governor?

They’re getting desperate.

[TimHauck]

On 5/3/2026 at 11:08 AM, Mike Hunt said:

Spirit was in trouble 3 years ago.  Then Biden blocked the merger of Spirit and Jet Blue that would have made both much stronger to compete against Delta and American and Warren cheered the move. 

 

 

 

SeeElizabeth Warren

I've warned for months that a Jet Blue Spirit merger would have led to fewer flights and higher fares.

We were right to stand up for consumers and fight against runaway airline consolidation. This is a Biden win for flyers!

 

It wouldn’t have made Spirit stronger, it would have made them cease to exist.  And it would have given all their debt to JetBlue. 

[Sean Mooney]

Where is RLLD to comment on all this?

[Alias Detective]

Jobs picking up.  Ppl are happy and those who are working and investing are getting richer by the day!

[WhiteWonder]

6 minutes ago, Alias Detective said:

Jobs picking up.  Ppl are happy and those who are working and investing are getting richer by the day!

yup. i mean there are certainly some points I am unhappy with, i'd challenge anyone to pick any president and show a perfect economy, but overall it's been great. 

I just kind of brush a lot of it off as tds or at least tds adjacent where you see certain people hoping for failure. We saw it in march/april 2025 hoping for the market to crash because muh tariffs. Still waiting for the recession. 

[Alias Detective]

And the stock market is forward thinking so for those wanting a terrible economy to blame Trump.  Sorry, ain’t happening - get in on the ride or get left in the dust.  Choo- choo!

[JuneJuly]

On 5/3/2026 at 11:23 AM, Caine Mutiny said:

I’ve been fairly straightforward about it in the Iran thread. Unless we can get the Strait of Hormuz open to all world traffic very shortly (at most another month or two which given the mines I’m not sure is technically possible even if Iran agrees or surrenders today) we are looking at the worst economic conditions in this country since the early 1930s. Not an economic collapse, not the sky is falling, but very painful. High prices coupled with high unemployment coupled with shortages in many goods and services. 

[Mike Honcho]

Consumer confidence is at an all-time low and Leon's getting larger!

[The Girlfriend]

19 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

yup. i mean there are certainly some points I am unhappy with, i'd challenge anyone to pick any president and show a perfect economy, but overall it's been great. 

I just kind of brush a lot of it off as tds or at least tds adjacent where you see certain people hoping for failure. We saw it in march/april 2025 hoping for the market to crash because muh tariffs. Still waiting for the recession. 

If you want to compare this presidential term to any other president, the job growth is terrible.  In Trump II we have seen job growth average 30k jobs per month.  We haven't seen growth this bad since W.  For context, under Biden we had 336k jobs created per month, 10 times of what we see now.  I know what you're going to say, covid recovery right?  In 2024 we still had 186k jobs created per month, then in 2025 we went all the way down to 9k jobs created per month.  So far in 2026 we're moving up towards 100k, still below 2024, not what anyone would consider "great".

[The Girlfriend]

2 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Consumer confidence is at an all-time low and Leon's getting larger!

The tower?

RAPUNZEL! RAPUNZEL!

[Alias Detective]

33 minutes ago, Mike Honcho said:

Consumer confidence is at an all-time low and Leon's getting larger!

Confidence in what?

[JuneJuly]

Markets setting all time records every other day and weaklings are trying to talk about confidence.   It's doesn't get any dumber folks.   Rock bottom. 

[Sean Mooney]

And if you can't believe someone who creates multiple usernames to get around bans on a fantasy football message board who can you believe?

 

Markets haven't set an all time record in a while....certainly not "every other day"

[JuneJuly]

May 6, 2026, the S&P 500 (SPX) reached a new record high closing level of 7,365.12, two days ago.  Currently it's 7,392.   

Too easy.   

Confidence!!!!!!!!

[Hardcore troubadour]

Look at that, immigration down, deportations up, more jobs for Americans. Imagine if the fed kissed his ass like they did for Obama? Also, the gas hike thing is temporary. Only a fool would think otherwise. 

[HotRod]

33 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Markets setting all time records every other day and weaklings are trying to talk about confidence.   It's doesn't get any dumber folks.   Rock bottom. 

this is what was happening in 2024 too and trump convinced everyone that the economy was terrible and he would fix it  we believed him.

[Hardcore troubadour]

14 minutes ago, HotRod said:

this is what was happening in 2024 too and trump convinced everyone that the economy was terrible and he would fix it  we believed him.

Worked. You lost. 

[JuneJuly]

Let's see, Wednesday and again today, yep that's every other day.  It's OK @Sean Mooney we all know you don't have any reason to keep up with what's happening in the market.  

[JuneJuly]

45 minutes ago, HotRod said:

this is what was happening in 2024 too and trump convinced everyone that the economy was terrible and he would fix it  we believed him.

That's pretty dishonest forgetting about 2022 and 2023.  Doh.  

[HotRod]

39 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Worked. You lost. 

I didn't lose but now we are all losing

[HotRod]

6 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

That's pretty dishonest forgetting about 2022 and 2023.  Doh.  

I voted for Trump so he could bring prices down and he hasn't

Biden kept telling us everything was great and it wasnt now Trump is doing it and its not

[JuneJuly]

1 minute ago, HotRod said:

I voted for Trump so he could bring prices down and he hasn't

Biden kept telling us everything was great and it wasnt now Trump is doing it and its not

You need to get out more. Eggs $1.99, hamburger $4.99.   

But who cares, S&P is hitting 7,400 today.  Everything else is trivial.  

[WhiteWonder]

1 hour ago, HotRod said:

this is what was happening in 2024 too and trump convinced everyone that the economy was terrible and he would fix it  we believed him.

has there ever been a presidential candidate who did not claim the economy needed fixing?

[Caine Mutiny]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

 Also, the gas hike thing is temporary. Only a fool would think otherwise. 

Well, this is true if you use at the word “temporary” in relative terms. For example, given that our planet is 4.5 billion years old, human existence is temporary. See how that works? 

[Caine Mutiny]

3 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

 i'd challenge anyone to pick any president and show a perfect economy, but overall it's been great. 

 

This is amazing self-delusion at this point. 

[Caine Mutiny]

29 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

   

But who cares, S&P is hitting 7,400 today.  Everything else is trivial.  

I hate to break it to you, because I realize you have in the past expressed your complete contempt and indifference to what happens to the poor people among us, but here is the truth: your prosperity means nothing unless they’re doing OK. If not you will suffer too and nothing you think is good now will last. 

[WhiteWonder]

4 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

This is amazing self-delusion at this point. 

interesting parts of my quote that you omitted.