Americans' confidence in economy lowest since 2014

[Caine Mutiny]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

interesting parts of my quote that you omitted. 

You wrote “overall it’s been great” about how Trump has managed the country in his 2nd term. If you truly believe this I think you’re delusional. 

[WhiteWonder]

14 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

You wrote “overall it’s been great” about how Trump has managed the country in his 2nd term. If you truly believe this I think you’re delusional. 

well for starters the topic is the economy, not how he has managed things in totality.  but like i said you conveniently left out where i said I was not happy with certain points. No one is going to be happy with current gas prices, for example. 

I think what is super delusional is people who actually believe that everything is currently in a state of doom and gloom. 

 

[Meglamaniac]

13 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

well for starters the topic is the economy, not how he has managed things in totality.  but like i said you conveniently left out where i said I was not happy with certain points. No one is going to be happy with current gas prices, for example. 

I think what is super delusional is people who actually believe that everything is currently in a state of doom and gloom. 

 

Timmah doesn't think, he knows

[TimHauck]

14 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

I think what is super delusional is people who actually believe that everything is currently in a state of doom and gloom. 

 

Did you have this same opinion in 2022-2024 when righties were were doing the same even though the economy was generally pretty good?

[WhiteWonder]

16 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Did you have this same opinion in 2022-2024 when righties were were doing the same even though the economy was generally pretty good?

TimHack has entered the chat with his typical centrism to ask me "but what about the right? did you do this or that for the right?" 

2022 was dog shiit. I am on record saying 2023 was a very nice year. 2024 was middling, not bad but not particularly good... most likely due to the uncertainty of if a rapidly declining Biden would still be running, would the DNC hold primaries, etc, let alone the pending election.  So while I wouldn't call that overall period "pretty good", I was not screaming on a daily basis that the sky was falling when it wasn't.

[TimHauck]

2 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

TimHack has entered the chat with his typical centrism to ask me "but what about the right? did you do this or that for the right?" 

2022 was dog shiit. I am on record saying 2023 was a very nice year. 2024 was middling, not bad but not particularly good... most likely due to the uncertainty of if a rapidly declining Biden would still be running, would the DNC hold primaries, etc, let alone the pending election.  So while I wouldn't call that overall period "pretty good", I was not screaming on a daily basis that the sky was falling when it wasn't.

Lol thanks for confirming you’re a righty hack. Calling 2024 “middling” but 2025-2026 “pretty great” is nonsensical.   The current economy is basically the same as it was in 2024 except with uncertainty around tariffs and now higher gas prices.  I guess you’re defining the economy in terms of the stock market or something?  But even then 2024 it did pretty well so curious what made the economy “middling”?

Also, I didn’t say you specifically were sky screaming, I was curious of your opinions of the righties that were.  We literally had a poster here who has since disappeared who thinks the economy went from “the worst of the lower classes lifetime,” to good in a few months.  Lol.

[WhiteWonder]

3 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Markets haven't set an all time record in a while....

lol  what?

[Meglamaniac]

5 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

lol  what?

Pay no attention to the man holding a binky

[SUXBNME]

President Donald Trump’s labor market is bouncing back. And with six months to go before the midterm elections, that is welcome relief to GOP policymakers who have struggled to break through to voters on the economy.

The Labor Department on Friday reported that U.S. employers added 115,000 jobs in April — more than double the 55,000 projected by surveys of economic forecasters — and the jobless rate was unchanged at 4.3 percent. With unemployment hovering below historic averages, and private sector hiring showing signs of a revival, GOP and White House messaging shops quickly seized on the report as proof that Trump’s economy is humming.

 

[WhiteWonder]

6 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Lol thanks for confirming you’re a righty hack. Calling 2024 “middling” but 2025-2026 “pretty great” is nonsensical.   The current economy is basically the same as it was in 2024 except with uncertainty around tariffs and now higher gas prices.  I guess you’re defining the economy in terms of the stock market or something?  But even then 2024 it did pretty well so curious what made the economy “middling”?

Also, I didn’t say you specifically were sky screaming, I was curious of your opinions of the righties that were.  We literally had a poster here who has since disappeared who thinks the economy went from “the worst of the lower classes lifetime,” to good in a few months.  Lol.

thanks for confirming you're a fake centrist political hack. Asking about a span from 2022-2024, guess you conveniently forgot the Dow was down almost 9% in 2022, it's worst drop since 2008. 2024 was middling, yes. The markets were not as good as 2023 and not as good as current... we saw inflation in many areas, much like we see inflation in different areas right now. Gas prices are up right now but its been what? 2 months, not even? We just had gas at the lowest it had been since early 2021 and it currently has not yet touched the highs we saw in the great economy of 2022 .  Admittedly I do place more emphasis on the market and investments in general than I do on more temporary things like the price of eggs or beef or even gas. 

hey we also had a poster who disappeared because they were absolutely sure Kamala would win in a landslide. Some people just can't handle being off on big bold statements. 

[TimHauck]

21 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

thanks for confirming you're a fake centrist political hack. Asking about a span from 2022-2024, guess you conveniently forgot the Dow was down almost 9% in 2022, it's worst drop since 2008. 2024 was middling, yes. The markets were not as good as 2023 and not as good as current... we saw inflation in many areas, much like we see inflation in different areas right now. Gas prices are up right now but its been what? 2 months, not even? We just had gas at the lowest it had been since early 2021 and it currently has not yet touched the highs we saw in the great economy of 2022 .  Admittedly I do place more emphasis on the market and investments in general than I do on more temporary things like the price of eggs or beef or even gas. 

hey we also had a poster who disappeared because they were absolutely sure Kamala would win in a landslide. Some people just can't handle being off on big bold statements. 

Well for one I don’t think the stock market should be used as a top indicator for the economy.   There were definitely sky screaming righties in 2023-2024 saying things like “a good stock market doesn’t mean the economy is good!!” who I’m sure are now saying the opposite.  But I’m still confused what made 2024 “middling” to you if the S&P was up 25% and the Dow was up +13%.

IMO unemployment is the #1 indicator (but of course not the only).   Which has been ticking up but still pretty low, hence a big reason for me saying 2025-2026 is basically just a continuation of 2024.  AKA a centrist opinion.   Calling 2024 “middling” but 2025-2026 “pretty great” is righty delusion.

I’ll give you 2022 wasn’t great, but it wasn’t “dog sh1t” lol.  Inflation sucked but wages went up too and employment was strong.  And of course inflation hasn’t come back down (in absolute terms not just % changes), so if 2022 was dog sh1t then I don’t think any year after that should be considered “pretty great.”  I’d still call the overall period of 2022-2024 “pretty good.”

 

[Caine Mutiny]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

well for starters the topic is the economy, not how he has managed things in totality.  but like i said you conveniently left out where i said I was not happy with certain points. No one is going to be happy with current gas prices, for example. 

I think what is super delusional is people who actually believe that everything is currently in a state of doom and gloom. 

 

Every good thing about the economy today occurs when Trump is stopped. Haven’t you noticed this? 

He tries to impose tariffs. Courts stop him and the economy does better. 

He tries for mass deportation. Courts stop him and the economy does better. 

He tries to punish Europe and other nations he doesn’t like, (Greenland, Canada, etc.) Courts stop him and the economy does better.

Even with the Iran war, Trump started it and the economy suffered. Everytime there’s a hint that it’s going to end the stock market rebounds. 

I mean at this point it should be obvious to any reasonable person looking at this objectively: nearly every move Trump makes hurts the economy and every time he’s stopped the economy celebrates. That is why I wrote that you are delusional by giving Trump any credit. 

As for gloom and doom, you know what I think is going to happen to us if the Strait of Hormuz stays closed too much longer. I’ve written it enough times. I’ve also written enough times that I sincerely hope I’m wrong. 

[WhiteWonder]

3 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Every good thing about the economy today occurs when Trump is stopped. Haven’t you noticed this? 

He tries to impose tariffs. Courts stop him and the economy does better. 

He tries for mass deportation. Courts stop him and the economy does better. 

He tries to punish Europe and other nations he doesn’t like, (Greenland, Canada, etc.) Courts stop him and the economy does better.

Even with the Iran war, Trump started it and the economy suffered. Everytime there’s a hint that it’s going to end the stock market rebounds. 

I mean at this point it should be obvious to any reasonable person looking at this objectively: nearly every move Trump makes hurts the economy and every time he’s stopped the economy celebrates. That is why I wrote that you are delusional by giving Trump any credit. 

As for gloom and doom, you know what I think is going to happen to us if the Strait of Hormuz stays closed too much longer. I’ve written it enough times. I’ve also written enough times that I sincerely hope I’m wrong. 

well, believe it or not (i dont care if you do), I am in the camp that fully understood trumps initial tariff proposals were never going to be the actual numbers but rather, a bargaining tool. So yeah, every time he talked about negotiations taking place and pausing suggested tariffs, the markets reacted positively. Not surprised that you only acknowledge the positive market movements when some aspects were blocked by courts. 

I am 100% in favor of deportations. I am fully aware of the economic impact, just as I am aware of the impact of mass or heightened illegal immigration. There is 0 argument that will ever have me in favor of going to another country illegally. 

Obviously any war is going to have an immediate negative impact on the economy which will then rebound at hints of it ending. Is this some new concept you have unearthed?

Thankfully, i've yet to see you be correct on any prediction 

[supermike80]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

well, believe it or not (i dont care if you do), I am in the camp that fully understood trumps initial tariff proposals were never going to be the actual numbers but rather, a bargaining tool. So yeah, every time he talked about negotiations taking place and pausing suggested tariffs, the markets reacted positively. Not surprised that you only acknowledge the positive market movements when some aspects were blocked by courts. 

I am 100% in favor of deportations. I am fully aware of the economic impact, just as I am aware of the impact of mass or heightened illegal immigration. There is 0 argument that will ever have me in favor of going to another country illegally. 

Obviously any war is going to have an immediate negative impact on the economy which will then rebound at hints of it ending. Is this some new concept you have unearthed?

Thankfully, i've yet to see you be correct on any prediction 

Careful. Timmy is smarter than you and every person on the planet.  And you should accept that.  If you don't,  have no fear, Timmy will tell you hes smarter than you and everyone with every post 

[WhiteWonder]

23 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Well for one I don’t think the stock market should be used as a top indicator for the economy.   There were definitely sky screaming righties in 2023-2024 saying things like “a good stock market doesn’t mean the economy is good!!” who I’m sure are now saying the opposite.  But I’m still confused what made 2024 “middling” to you if the S&P was up 25% and the Dow was up +13%.

IMO unemployment is the #1 indicator (but of course not the only).   Which has been ticking up but still pretty low, hence a big reason for me saying 2025-2026 is basically just a continuation of 2024.  AKA a centrist opinion.   Calling 2024 “middling” but 2025-2026 “pretty great” is righty delusion.

I’ll give you 2022 wasn’t great, but it wasn’t “dog sh1t” lol.  Inflation sucked but wages went up too and employment was strong.  And of course inflation hasn’t come back down (in absolute terms not just % changes), so if 2022 was dog sh1t then I don’t think any year after that should be considered “pretty great.”  I’d still call the overall period of 2022-2024 “pretty good.”

 

even if I were to back off of saying 2025 and YTD 2026 have been pretty great, or call 2024 better than middling (one quick aside, Q4 2024 saw a big bump with Trump winning the election, like it or not), 2022 was indeed dog shiit. Like I said, gas was at its highest level in quite some time, a level we have not even touched yet since Iran. Combine something like that with market drops not seen since 2008 and yikes. Also keep in mind that the administration had all of 2021 with the tailwinds of covid recovery. 

you're anything but a centrist. Your purpose here (90% at least) is to talk politics and you are one of the biggest liberal/left posters around. No one believes you voted for Trump or that you're currently a centrist. Does it matter? not really but as a highly political person, lying about it is all the more comical. 

whereas I have flat out said that despite having a lot of classically liberal views, I 100% am not a liberal and cant stand the current libs or the current state of the democratic party. I also can't stand dumb "MAGA"s. I don't consider myself conservative either. If someone held a gun to my head and made me choose between the two, I'll call myself conservative at the moment, but since that scenario won't happen I am more than happy to declare myself moderate. My postings at FFToday are only more combative toward the left because the left has a larger presence among real posters (aka people like peefoam and maxipad just don't count) who are only here for politics.  

[TimHauck]

13 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

even if I were to back off of saying 2025 and YTD 2026 have been pretty great, or call 2024 better than middling (one quick aside, Q4 2024 saw a big bump with Trump winning the election, like it or not), 2022 was indeed dog shiit. Like I said, gas was at its highest level in quite some time, a level we have not even touched yet since Iran. Combine something like that with market drops not seen since 2008 and yikes. Also keep in mind that the administration had all of 2021 with the tailwinds of covid recovery. 

The “tailwinds of covid recovery” are also a big reason for the inflation.   Also, weird that you’re calling gas prices that were largely due to Russia invading Ukraine a major contributor to 2022 being “dog sh1t,” but shrugging your shoulders at the current gas prices which are directly Trump’s fault.

So, are you “backing off of saying 2025 and YTD 2026 have been pretty great, or calling 2024 better than middling”?  If so, then glad we agree, that was what I was calling you out on and then you’re just left to quibble about 1 year of a 3 year period I listed.

I’ll reply to your other incorrect comments in your thread where you only complained about people that aren’t on the the right.

[JuneJuly]

2 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said:

I hate to break it to you, because I realize you have in the past expressed your complete contempt and indifference to what happens to the poor people among us, but here is the truth: your prosperity means nothing unless they’re doing OK. If not you will suffer too and nothing you think is good now will last. 

Yeah, when is it going to happen Nostradumbass?  Covid!, tariffs!, war!, not an ounce of suffering here.  If I didn't suffer when the whole world shut down a little straight being closed ain't going to do it. 

[WhiteWonder]

2 hours ago, WhiteWonder said:

 i said I was not happy with certain points. No one is going to be happy with current gas prices, for example. 

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

Also, weird that you’re calling gas prices that were largely due to Russia invading Ukraine a major contributor to 2022 being “dog sh1t,” but shrugging your shoulders at the current gas prices which are directly Trump’s fault.

 

 

I know you are feverishly sweating at your computer looking for gotchas but you should try reading sometime 

[TimHauck]

7 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

 

I know you are feverishly sweating at your computer looking for gotchas but you should try reading sometime 

I saw that when you posted it, and yet you still called the overall economy “pretty great.”  Hence the shrugging your shoulders comment.  HTH

[JuneJuly]

6 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

Markets haven't set an all time record in a while....certainly not "every other day"

 

6 hours ago, JuneJuly said:

May 6, 2026, the S&P 500 (SPX) reached a new record high closing level of 7,365.12, two days ago.  Currently it's 7,392.   

Too easy.   

Confidence!!!!!!!!

New all time record close on

May 1st

May 5th

May 6th

May 8th

Four times in the past 6 trading days.  That's more than every other day. 

It also hit new all time record closes 8 times in April.  

Mooney with metal helmet post.   

[JuneJuly]

S&P sets a new record close at 7,398.93 marking the 4th all time high in May already. This signals inverstor confidence as SUPER HIGH.   

 

[The Girlfriend]

Someone should tell this Julie chick that the S&P hit all time highs 57 times in 2024 during the Biden term

[seafoam1]

2 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

Someone should tell this Julie chick that the S&P hit all time highs 57 times in 2024 during the Biden term

Someone should tell you to take your banning like a big boy mdpee. 

[Caine Mutiny]

1 hour ago, JuneJuly said:

Yeah, when is it going to happen Nostradumbass?  Covid!, tariffs!, war!, not an ounce of suffering here.  If I didn't suffer when the whole world shut down a little straight being closed ain't going to do it. 

Doesn’t matter since I believe nothing you post about your personal wealth anyhow. 

[Caine Mutiny]

2 hours ago, supermike80 said:

Careful. Timmy is smarter than you and every person on the planet.  And you should accept that.  If you don't,  have no fear, Timmy will tell you hes smarter than you and everyone with every post 

You sound resentful. 
FWIW I don’t consider myself smarter than @WhiteWonder. He’s plenty smart, just delusional about Trump IMO. And very misguided about immigration. 
 

Im not smarter than most people here. Just a few. I certainly think I’m smarter than YOU. 

[JuneJuly]

54 minutes ago, The Girlfriend said:

Someone should tell this Julie chick that the S&P hit all time highs 57 times in 2024 during the Biden term

We're talking about the present. HTH

Understandable you need to live in the past tho. 

[JuneJuly]

25 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Doesn’t matter since I believe nothing you post about your personal wealth anyhow. 

Your make believe is so convenient. 

[seafoam1]

1 minute ago, JuneJuly said:

We're talking about the present. HTH

Understandable you need to live in the past tho. 

Mdpee is an idiot. He's now posting as a girl. 

[Engorgeous George]

7 hours ago, Mike Honcho said:

Consumer confidence is at an all-time low and Leon's getting larger!

Looks like I picked the wrong day to give up sniffing glue.

[TimHauck]

8 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

We're talking about the present. HTH

Understandable you need to live in the past tho. 

So you believed the economy was strong in 2023 and 2024, correct?

[TimHauck]

34 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Doesn’t matter since I believe nothing you post about your personal wealth anyhow. 

Well I do believe it’s true about how he told us he shares his wife with his neighbors 

[WhiteWonder]

42 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

You sound resentful. 
FWIW I don’t consider myself smarter than @WhiteWonder. He’s plenty smart, just delusional about Trump IMO. And very misguided about immigration. 
 

Im not smarter than most people here. Just a few. I certainly think I’m smarter than YOU. 

Do I think I am smarter than you? yes... what that has to do with posting here? absolutely nothing. You also clearly care about politics WAY more than I do and, I assume, spend far more of your day researching political stuff. I don't think you are dumb, so much as wearing the blindfold your party and media has given you. We saw it when you cried about trusting the media after the 2024 election. 

I'm no more delusional about Trump than you are in the opposite direction. 

As for immigration, again, we will never see eye to eye. You also have skin in that game that goes beyond typical virtue signaling. 

I have yet to hear a solid argument for why illegal immigration is good for our country. NOT legal immigration, ILLEGAL immigration. I have yet to hear why these people should be granted citizenship for breaking the law, even if it's just a civil crime, it's still a crime. I've yet to hear a reasonable argument for why they should be rewarded for skipping ahead of immigrants doing it the right way.    ... as i've said before if we want to change to discourse to how we can improve our immigration system in general, I am all for it!...   but the discussion seems to always center on needing to give these criminals due process and things like that.  Immigration is different than it was 80 years ago. It's not comparable to when my great grandparents came here from Italy, Poland and Lithuania.  Apples to oranges.  I hear liberals, on this forum and all around me, adamant that they are totally in favor of deporting violent criminals just not the ones who are minding their own business. Again, virtue signaling. Spending more time caring about people who broke the rules than the actual citizens of your own country. It's crazy to me.  I'm not saying don't care about people.  By all means, find where these illegals are coming from and start donating your hard earned money to them and their families back home.  Will you do it? 

And I wonder if you and others are really in favor of deporting the violent criminals. 

Lets say we could make sure 100% of violent illegal immigrants are deported but it also means that 90% of ALL illegal immigrants will be deported.  OR  100% of illegal immigrants, violent or not get to stay.  Which do you choose? 

[WhiteWonder]

14 minutes ago, seafoam1 said:

Mdpee is an idiot. He's now posting as a girl. 

that alias smells a lot more like gutterboy 

[JuneJuly]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

Do I think I am smarter than you? yes... what that has to do with posting here? absolutely nothing. You also clearly care about politics WAY more than I do and, I assume, spend far more of your day researching political stuff. I don't think you are dumb, so much as wearing the blindfold your party and media has given you. We saw it when you cried about trusting the media after the 2024 election. 

I'm no more delusional about Trump than you are in the opposite direction. 

As for immigration, again, we will never see eye to eye. You also have skin in that game that goes beyond typical virtue signaling. 

I have yet to hear a solid argument for why illegal immigration is good for our country. NOT legal immigration, ILLEGAL immigration. I have yet to hear why these people should be granted citizenship for breaking the law, even if it's just a civil crime, it's still a crime. I've yet to hear a reasonable argument for why they should be rewarded for skipping ahead of immigrants doing it the right way.    ... as i've said before if we want to change to discourse to how we can improve our immigration system in general, I am all for it!...   but the discussion seems to always center on needing to give these criminals due process and things like that.  Immigration is different than it was 80 years ago. It's not comparable to when my great grandparents came here from Italy, Poland and Lithuania.  Apples to oranges.  I hear liberals, on this forum and all around me, adamant that they are totally in favor of deporting violent criminals just not the ones who are minding their own business. Again, virtue signaling. Spending more time caring about people who broke the rules than the actual citizens of your own country. It's crazy to me.  I'm not saying don't care about people.  By all means, find where these illegals are coming from and start donating your hard earned money to them and their families back home.  Will you do it? 

And I wonder if you and others are really in favor of deporting the violent criminals. 

Lets say we could make sure 100% of violent illegal immigrants are deported but it also means that 90% of ALL illegal immigrants will be deported.  OR  100% of illegal immigrants, violent or not get to stay.  Which do you choose? 

Pretty sure you're the only dude that bothers responding to that moron.  I mean if it provides you entertainment...go for it.  But I bet you don't go around talking to retards in real life do you?

[TimHauck]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

I'm no more delusional about Trump than you are in the opposite direction. 

Dang, this is quite the insult of yourself.

[WhiteWonder]

44 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

Pretty sure you're the only dude that bothers responding to that moron.  I mean if it provides you entertainment...go for it.  But I bet you don't go around talking to retards in real life do you?

I would not have a reason to engage with guys like hack or crotch in real life. Here I do it from time to time because it’s what the geek club has become, I like debating, and thus I do… I don’t want to speak for Jerry but he strikes me as being in the same boat as myself.
Hence when I was suggesting a separate political forum, those are two guys who would mostly be posting there and I’d barely see it and I’d probably not have a reason to engage with them.  

[TimHauck]

32 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

I would not have a reason to engage with guys like hack or crotch in real life. Here I do it from time to time because it’s what the geek club has become, I like debating, and thus I do… I don’t want to speak for Jerry but he strikes me as being in the same boat as myself.
Hence when I was suggesting a separate political forum, those are two guys who would mostly be posting there and I’d barely see it and I’d probably not have a reason to engage with them.  

If other people do this then it doesn’t sound like you actually think a political forum would “thrive”…

[WhiteWonder]

40 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

If other people do this then it doesn’t sound like you actually think a political forum would “thrive”…

Do I think it would thrive? yes I do. Does it ultimately matter to me? only in the sense that I wouldn't want it all flooding back here. 

Even if it didn't attract posters like myself, Skids, and i'm sure I can come up with others Skids is just an easy comp to myself in terms of being here for other stuff first.... 

you'd still have all the following who are either here only or mostly for political "discussion".... (also this partly illustrates why I feel the left is the bigger political posting base here)... TimHack, TimCrotch, Squitard, SaintsDumb, DogCrap, Helltopee, Cyclone? ... If you pretend peefoam and maxipad don't exist, and go down the first 2-3 pages of posts and see who started the political ones, this list pretty much covers it. Now how many of these posters are lefties and how many are righties?   We also have Dexbelief (clearly an alias).. enormousgeroge (left?) RonArtest , any Rusty Alias 

So yeah, side note... without peefoam and maxipad the political topics started by lefties far outweighs the ones started by righties. 

But you'd also get the like of JuneJulySummer, Tardcore, MikeHunt, Gepetto, Treeknowledge, probably Voltaire and maybe Megla...  

there would be plenty of posters and participants. 

[TimHauck]

1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said:

TimHack, TimCrotch, Squitard, SaintsDumb, DogCrap, Helltopee, Cyclone? ... If you pretend peefoam and maxipad don't exist, and go down the first 2-3 pages of posts and see who started the political ones, this list pretty much covers it. Now how many of these posters are lefties and how many are righties?   

I haven’t started any political threads on the first 3 pages

You’re missing from your list numerous righties:

Tree of Knowlege (at least you said him later)

Nomad99

Shadrap

Frozenbeernuts

probably missing some.  And outside of who started the threads, it’s obvious to anyone with eyes that there are more political posts here from right-leaning posters than from left-leaning ones.

[seafoam1]

Just now, TimHauck said:

I haven’t started any political threads on the first 3 pages

You’re missing from your list numerous righties:

Tree of Knowlege (at least you said him later)

Nomad99

Shadrap

Frozenbeernuts

probably missing some.  And outside of who started the threads, it’s obvious to anyone with eyes that there are more political posts here from right-leaning posters than from left-leaning ones.