Trump wants to steal the midterms

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

 

 

Oh yes just trolling, oh he'll never try that.  He's not going to be a dictator, we won't have concentration camps, he'll never put the military on our streets, he'll never kidnap people with masked thugs and tear gas citizens, we're not invading Venezuela, he'll never do broad tariffs, he'll never mess with vaccines, he'll never break the law or ignore courts...

[MikeMatt 598]

Yeah. Winning ! Duh. 

[Kopy 602]

God bless America.

[Mike Honcho 5,641]

9 minutes ago, Kopy said:

God bless America.

and RIP.   

[Red White and Blue 135]

There’s no way they’ll nationalize elections. He will start deploying ICE as “poll watchers” in blue districts to disrupt voting though. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,469]

So much fraud. 2020 showed it. 

[seafoam1 3,711]

59 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

Oh yes just trolling, oh he'll never try that.  He's not going to be a dictator, we won't have concentration camps, he'll never put the military on our streets, he'll never kidnap people with masked thugs and tear gas citizens, we're not invading Venezuela, he'll never do broad tariffs, he'll never mess with vaccines, he'll never break the law or ignore courts...

Cool. Hope he wins out. 

[seafoam1 3,711]

5 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

There’s no way they’ll nationalize elections. He will start deploying ICE as “poll watchers” in blue districts to disrupt voting though. 

Mdc is sad. 

You can't even honor a time out. What a girl....

[Mike Honcho 5,641]

21 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

So much fraud. 2020 showed it. 

True, but the courts, the house & senate and Pence rejected those fake electors and the country survived. Let's all hope that happens again. 

[Frozenbeernuts 2,565]

I hope he does everything he possibly can to make sure he retains power.

[Red White and Blue 135]

4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

I hope he does everything he possibly can to make sure he retains power.

Even cheating? Trump isn’t on the ballot btw.

[cyclone24 2,165]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

 

Oh yes just trolling, oh he'll never try that.  He's not going to be a dictator, we won't have concentration camps, he'll never put the military on our streets, he'll never kidnap people with masked thugs and tear gas citizens, we're not invading Venezuela, he'll never do broad tariffs, he'll never mess with vaccines, he'll never break the law or ignore courts...

1. Hasnt…not even close. LIE

2. Yaaawwnnn cult speak as youre told to. LIE

3. Wouldn’t have to if you enforced our laws, but you don’t want to. LIE

4.Blatant LIE

5. We didnt….LIE

6. Glad he did. We are just doing tariffs until we slow the curve of trade imbalance. We’re all in this together. I feel like I heard that somewhere.

7. You can still get whatever vaccine you want. LIE

[HellToupee 2,502]

@edjr

[Tree of Knowledge 2,386]

One of the many reasons for the Trumpslide was to ensure secure, free and fair elections.   

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

3 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

He's not going to be a dictator, we won't have concentration camps, he'll never put the military on our streets, he'll never kidnap people with masked thugs and tear gas citizens, we're not invading Venezuela, he'll never do broad tariffs, he'll never mess with vaccines, he'll never break the law or ignore courts...

 

1 hour ago, cyclone24 said:

1. Hasnt…not even close. LIE

2. Yaaawwnnn cult speak as youre told to. LIE

3. Wouldn’t have to if you enforced our laws, but you don’t want to. LIE

4.Blatant LIE

5. We didnt….LIE

6. Glad he did. We are just doing tariffs until we slow the curve of trade imbalance. We’re all in this together. I feel like I heard that somewhere.

7. You can still get whatever vaccine you want. LIE

1. He has consolidated executive power, disregarding congress and issued illegal EOs.

2. We actually do have detention centers where people are being mistreated and killed.

3. He did put military on our streets by illegally deploying the national guard and invading cities with his gestapo

4. It's happening

5. We did invade Venezuela, kidnapped the leader and stole the oil, fact.

6. You're glad that our economy is suffering.

7. 6 vaccines have been removed from the recommended list.

[NorthernVike 2,126]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

1. He has consolidated executive power, disregarding congress and issued illegal EOs.

2. We actually do have detention centers where people are being mistreated and killed.

3. He did put military on our streets by illegally deploying the national guard and invading cities with his gestapo

4. It's happening

5. We did invade Venezuela, kidnapped the leader and stole the oil, fact.

6. You're glad that our economy is suffering.

7. 6 vaccines have been removed from the recommended list.

Seek help for your TDS.  

[Fnord 2,816]

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/01/opinion/midterms-election-influence-trump.html

This is happening, and MAGA wants it.

 

It’s only February, and the November elections are already in peril.

When I think back to the days and weeks before Jan. 6, 2021, one thing that’s clear is that many of us suffered from a failure of imagination. We knew President Trump’s lies and conspiracymongering were dangerous, but it’s hard to think of a single person who predicted that a MAGA mob would storm the Capitol.

Very few people anticipated the sheer scale and scope of the effort to overturn the election or that an incredible 147 Republicans would vote not to certify Joe Biden’s clear and unambiguous presidential victory. We did not realize that they would go along with something that plainly corrupt and dangerous.

We must not make that mistake again.

And so I’m going to do something a little bit unusual. I’m going to ask you to imagine alongside me. But this is a different kind of imagination. It’s based on real events — things that are already occurring right in front of our eyes.

So here we go.

It’s Friday, Oct. 30, 2026, and the president’s approval rating is low, abysmally low. He hasn’t been able to reverse the gradual decline that began after his inauguration.

At the end of January his aggregate approval rating was 41.4 percent, and his disapproval rating was 55.7 percent. In June his approval dropped below 40 percent, and it hasn’t come back up.

Meanwhile, Democrats are leading the generic ballot by a wide margin, and Democratic voters are far more enthusiastic about going to the polls than Republicans. In a normal midterm election, this would mean that Democrats would easily take control of the House of Representatives. They could even win the Senate.

But this is not a normal election year.

Now, in October, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which rapidly expanded throughout the year, is running large-scale operations in Democratic-controlled cities. Hundreds if not thousands more American citizens have been caught in the dragnet. So have thousands of lawful residents.

Citizens, lawful residents and undocumented immigrants alike have been shackled and transported to brutal detention facilities in Texas and Florida.

Despite repeated court orders holding that federal officials cannot stop, much less detain, anyone purely on the basis of perceived ethnicity, the stops are still happening on a daily basis in cities across the United States.

Not only has the administration defied hundreds of court orders, it also refuses to discipline rogue officers. A complex web of federal immunities and privileges further insulates these officers from both private lawsuits and state prosecutions.

 

As a result, nonwhite citizens are reluctant to go anywhere near ICE, and rumors of ICE conducting operations near polling stations spread like wildfire. Thousands upon thousands of citizens choose to stay home rather than risk arrest to vote.

During early voting, reports of citizens discovering they’re no longer on the voting rolls have multiplied. Most of them have Latin-, African- or Asian-sounding names. The voters named Smith or Jones have had no problems. But if you’re a Gonzalez or a Diallo, then you’ve been purged.

Meanwhile, the F.B.I. has raided several election offices in blue cities in swing states. Lawmakers in red states have moved to take over election administration in certain blue cities, citing the president’s raids and indictments as justification.

At the same time, his base has continued to radicalize. Democratic protests against the ICE deployments are viewed, in these quarters, as proof that Democrats want undocumented immigrants to vote — that they can’t win without them.

The president himself stokes their anxiety and their anger. His social media feeds are full of the wildest accusations, constantly repeating even the most specious conspiracy theories about the 2016 and 2020 elections. He keeps up his calls to arrest former President Barack Obama. He also calls for the arrest of Democratic governors and lawmakers.

He tells his base, the people who trust him more than any news source, that the Democratic Party is a criminal enterprise and that its members will destroy the country if they win the midterms.

Right-wing media is full of mug shots of heavily tattooed, scowling criminals that ICE has allegedly yanked from the streets. The banner on the television underneath their mug shots reads “Democrat voters.”

President Trump’s raids and indictments prove to them that they were right all along: The 2020 election was corrupt.

 

And when federal judges issue injunctions requiring federal law enforcement to stay away from polling places, that’s all the proof they need to raise the alarm.

“This election is rigged!” they shout. And they’re right. Just not in the way they think.

The horrifying thing about our current moment is that not a single aspect of the scenario above is far-fetched. In fact, some of it is already happening.

Not only did the F.B.I. raid a Georgia election center last week, Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, was present. She’s a cabinet-level official responsible for coordinating the activities of American intelligence agencies, yet there she was, in Fulton County, Ga.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Gabbard has turned much of her attention to investigating the 2020 election, an election that withstood dozens of legal challenges. According to The Journal, she’s investigating possible foreign interference.

The search warrant itself contains a claim that there is probable cause to believe that there is property, data or information at the Fulton County election office that is “evidence of the commission of a criminal offense.”

In the days after the search, two Republican-appointed members of the state election board said that it was “on the radar as an avenue we could take” to seize control of elections in Fulton County. Ninety percent of Atlanta lies within the county.

 

Federal agents are seizing American citizens. There is an enormous amount of evidence that they are racially profiling their suspects and mistreating their detainees.

Even if federal agents don’t show up at polling places (the presence of armed federal agents at the polls is prohibited by federal criminal law), they raise the risk of travel even for American citizens who might look Hispanic by blanketing majority-Hispanic parts of a given city.

But criminal law is no impediment to Trump. He’ll just pardon the violent men and women who break federal law to keep him in power.

And if federal courts enjoin ICE activities, would anyone trust Trump to comply? As the Republican-appointed chief judge for the Federal District Court of Minnesota wrote last week, “ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.”

Pam Bondi, the attorney general, sent Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota a letter promising to “bring an end to the chaos” in his state if he agreed to a list of demands, including granting Justice Department officials access to its voter rolls.

 

After the F.B.I. raided the Fulton County election center, Trump demanded Obama’s arrest on social media and threatened the prosecution of election workers. He claimed, among other things, that Italian military satellites had hacked the 2020 election and that Obama had “conspired with foreign powers, not one, not two, not three, but four times to overthrow the United States government in 2016.”

The Italian satellite theory is a jolting reminder that Trump will demand that his core supporters believe almost anything he says, no matter how wild or delusional.

As Jonathan Karl reported for ABC News, this theory “was brought to the White House by a woman who went by several aliases, including ‘The Heiress,’ and was known at the Pentagon for her claimed ties to Somali pirates.”

Rather than discarding the theory as obvious nonsense from an unreliable narrator, Karl says that “then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows directed both the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense to look into the matter.”

Informed readers will know that this column is woefully incomplete. I can’t possibly compile all of Trump’s threats against American elections into a single column. Entire books have been written describing his plot to disrupt the 2020 election.

But one thing is quite clear: He is more dangerous now than he was then. His party controls the House and the Senate. In 2020, Democrats controlled the House.

Trump has filled his administration with cronies and true believers, and his attorney general is one of his chief enforcers. In 2020 Bill Barr, who was then the attorney general, resigned rather than continue to pursue Trump’s stolen election claims.

This time around, by contrast, Ed Martin, a Justice Department official, posted a picture of himself standing next to Sidney Powell, one of the chief legal architects of Trump’s effort to overturn the 2020 election. In 2023 she pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties. The president pardoned her in November.

And what was Martin’s message? “Good morning, America. How are ya’?”

During his first term, the Trump administration largely complied with federal court orders. In his second term, his administration is defying the courts at a frequency that boggles the mind. So even if Trump-appointed judges and justices repeat their courageous performance from 2020 and block any effort by the president to overturn the next election, it’s an open question whether the Trump administration will care.

A president who doesn’t care about the law, who commands an obedient Congress and is supported by a radicalized base of tens of millions of people who believe his lies, represents a threat to the next election. I fear that millions of citizens are still too complacent. They aren’t aware of the peril we face.

And as you take note of each of the incidents I mentioned, you may realize that Trump can unlawfully influence an election without explicitly rigging the count. By deterring his enemies from coming to the polls, he can engineer the outcomes he seeks.

In a future column, I’ll try to describe what can be done to stop him — aside from simply hoping and praying that his lawlessness has limits other than his own morality — but a nation won’t rouse itself if it doesn’t hear the alarm.

So consider this to be something like a fire drill. It’s an alarm, one of thousands that should be ringing across the country. MAGA’s acts of aggression are already intimidating. Trump isn’t just trying to “stop the steal” again; another kind of theft might already be underway.

[cyclone24 2,165]

1 hour ago, Ron_Artest said:

 

1. He has consolidated executive power, disregarding congress and issued illegal EOs.

2. We actually do have detention centers where people are being mistreated and killed.

3. He did put military on our streets by illegally deploying the national guard and invading cities with his gestapo

4. It's happening

5. We did invade Venezuela, kidnapped the leader and stole the oil, fact.

6. You're glad that our economy is suffering.

7. 6 vaccines have been removed from the recommended list.

1. Nope. Just because you sue every single time he does something doesn’t mean it was something illegal. 
 

2. More lies. There’s bad things that happened in prison and detention centers all over the place. If you take the risk you take the risk.
 

3. Once again, a lie. And I know you guys don’t really care about offending Jewish people because well you don’t like them. We wouldn’t have to round them up in the streets if you would’ve picked them up and enforced laws like you’re supposed to and we can get them in the jail. That’s on you.
 

4. Once again personal responsibility. That’s on you.
 

5. We didn’t invade Venezuela. We had a singular military operation that had a bounty on this leader that what do you know a Democratic president also put on him. What do you think a bounty Is you moron.
 

6. By every metric whether it’s the market or GDP, the economy is actually going off. And how many companies are coming back again? That’s right. A ton of them.
 

7. You can still get the vaccines in almost every state that I’m aware of. In the shots you’re going crazy about? Does a baby need the Covid shot? No. 
You act like measles or polio or something is gonna come back and oh wait measles was making a comeback in which communities? Many illegal communities. Imagine that when you inherit Third World countries they act like Third World people. Who would’ve guessed.
 

You’re a liar that needs mental help

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

27 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

Seek help for your TDS.  

All facts.  Feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,386]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

All facts.  Feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

It probably all started at birth.  

[NorthernVike 2,126]

19 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

All facts.  Feel free to point out where I'm wrong.

1. Nope. Just because you sue every single time he does something doesn’t mean it was something illegal. 
 

2. More lies. There’s bad things that happened in prison and detention centers all over the place. If you take the risk you take the risk.
 

3. Once again, a lie. And I know you guys don’t really care about offending Jewish people because well you don’t like them. We wouldn’t have to round them up in the streets if you would’ve picked them up and enforced laws like you’re supposed to and we can get them in the jail. That’s on you.
 

4. Once again personal responsibility. That’s on you.
 

5. We didn’t invade Venezuela. We had a singular military operation that had a bounty on this leader that what do you know a Democratic president also put on him. What do you think about bounty? Is you moron.
 

6. By every metric whether it’s the market or GDP, the economy is actually going off. And how many companies are coming back again? That’s right. A ton of them.
 

7. You can still get the vaccines in almost every state that I’m aware of. In the shots you’re going crazy about? Does a baby need the Covid shot? No. 
You act like measles or polio or something is gonna come back and oh wait measles was making a comeback in which communities? Many illegal communities. Imagine that when you inherit Third World countries they act like Third World people. Who would’ve guessed.
 

You’re a liar that needs mental help

 

 

 

 

~cylone24

[Red White and Blue 135]

The whole goal of Trump baselessly claiming every election and state he’s lost was rigged is to justify his own attempts to rig elections. If you think the election was stolen from Trump, you feel justified in stealing it back. That’s what the muh fraud stuff is really about. 

[Fnord 2,816]

6 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

The whole goal of Trump baselessly claiming every election and state he’s lost was rigged is to justify his own attempts to rig elections. If you think the election was stolen from Trump, you feel justified in stealing it back. That’s what the muh fraud stuff is really about. 

Spot. On.

Just remember, anything Trump claims is projection. If he says his opponents are doing something to him, he's at least attempting to do it to them. He will do everything in his power to fock with the midterms, and it'll get worse as '28 approaches unless he dies (depending on circumstances, of course) or is impeached and removed before then. 

[Engorgeous George 2,464]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/01/opinion/midterms-election-influence-trump.html

This is happening, and MAGA wants it.

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It’s only February, and the November elections are already in peril.

When I think back to the days and weeks before Jan. 6, 2021, one thing that’s clear is that many of us suffered from a failure of imagination. We knew President Trump’s lies and conspiracymongering were dangerous, but it’s hard to think of a single person who predicted that a MAGA mob would storm the Capitol.

Very few people anticipated the sheer scale and scope of the effort to overturn the election or that an incredible 147 Republicans would vote not to certify Joe Biden’s clear and unambiguous presidential victory. We did not realize that they would go along with something that plainly corrupt and dangerous.

We must not make that mistake again.

And so I’m going to do something a little bit unusual. I’m going to ask you to imagine alongside me. But this is a different kind of imagination. It’s based on real events — things that are already occurring right in front of our eyes.

So here we go.

It’s Friday, Oct. 30, 2026, and the president’s approval rating is low, abysmally low. He hasn’t been able to reverse the gradual decline that began after his inauguration.

At the end of January his aggregate approval rating was 41.4 percent, and his disapproval rating was 55.7 percent. In June his approval dropped below 40 percent, and it hasn’t come back up.

Meanwhile, Democrats are leading the generic ballot by a wide margin, and Democratic voters are far more enthusiastic about going to the polls than Republicans. In a normal midterm election, this would mean that Democrats would easily take control of the House of Representatives. They could even win the Senate.

But this is not a normal election year.

Now, in October, Immigration and Customs Enforcement, which rapidly expanded throughout the year, is running large-scale operations in Democratic-controlled cities. Hundreds if not thousands more American citizens have been caught in the dragnet. So have thousands of lawful residents.

Citizens, lawful residents and undocumented immigrants alike have been shackled and transported to brutal detention facilities in Texas and Florida.

Despite repeated court orders holding that federal officials cannot stop, much less detain, anyone purely on the basis of perceived ethnicity, the stops are still happening on a daily basis in cities across the United States.

Not only has the administration defied hundreds of court orders, it also refuses to discipline rogue officers. A complex web of federal immunities and privileges further insulates these officers from both private lawsuits and state prosecutions.

 

As a result, nonwhite citizens are reluctant to go anywhere near ICE, and rumors of ICE conducting operations near polling stations spread like wildfire. Thousands upon thousands of citizens choose to stay home rather than risk arrest to vote.

During early voting, reports of citizens discovering they’re no longer on the voting rolls have multiplied. Most of them have Latin-, African- or Asian-sounding names. The voters named Smith or Jones have had no problems. But if you’re a Gonzalez or a Diallo, then you’ve been purged.

Meanwhile, the F.B.I. has raided several election offices in blue cities in swing states. Lawmakers in red states have moved to take over election administration in certain blue cities, citing the president’s raids and indictments as justification.

At the same time, his base has continued to radicalize. Democratic protests against the ICE deployments are viewed, in these quarters, as proof that Democrats want undocumented immigrants to vote — that they can’t win without them.

The president himself stokes their anxiety and their anger. His social media feeds are full of the wildest accusations, constantly repeating even the most specious conspiracy theories about the 2016 and 2020 elections. He keeps up his calls to arrest former President Barack Obama. He also calls for the arrest of Democratic governors and lawmakers.

He tells his base, the people who trust him more than any news source, that the Democratic Party is a criminal enterprise and that its members will destroy the country if they win the midterms.

Right-wing media is full of mug shots of heavily tattooed, scowling criminals that ICE has allegedly yanked from the streets. The banner on the television underneath their mug shots reads “Democrat voters.”

President Trump’s raids and indictments prove to them that they were right all along: The 2020 election was corrupt.

 

And when federal judges issue injunctions requiring federal law enforcement to stay away from polling places, that’s all the proof they need to raise the alarm.

“This election is rigged!” they shout. And they’re right. Just not in the way they think.

The horrifying thing about our current moment is that not a single aspect of the scenario above is far-fetched. In fact, some of it is already happening.

Not only did the F.B.I. raid a Georgia election center last week, Tulsi Gabbard, the director of national intelligence, was present. She’s a cabinet-level official responsible for coordinating the activities of American intelligence agencies, yet there she was, in Fulton County, Ga.

The Wall Street Journal reports that Gabbard has turned much of her attention to investigating the 2020 election, an election that withstood dozens of legal challenges. According to The Journal, she’s investigating possible foreign interference.

The search warrant itself contains a claim that there is probable cause to believe that there is property, data or information at the Fulton County election office that is “evidence of the commission of a criminal offense.”

In the days after the search, two Republican-appointed members of the state election board said that it was “on the radar as an avenue we could take” to seize control of elections in Fulton County. Ninety percent of Atlanta lies within the county.

 

Federal agents are seizing American citizens. There is an enormous amount of evidence that they are racially profiling their suspects and mistreating their detainees.

Even if federal agents don’t show up at polling places (the presence of armed federal agents at the polls is prohibited by federal criminal law), they raise the risk of travel even for American citizens who might look Hispanic by blanketing majority-Hispanic parts of a given city.

But criminal law is no impediment to Trump. He’ll just pardon the violent men and women who break federal law to keep him in power.

And if federal courts enjoin ICE activities, would anyone trust Trump to comply? As the Republican-appointed chief judge for the Federal District Court of Minnesota wrote last week, “ICE has likely violated more court orders in January 2026 than some federal agencies have violated in their entire existence.”

Pam Bondi, the attorney general, sent Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota a letter promising to “bring an end to the chaos” in his state if he agreed to a list of demands, including granting Justice Department officials access to its voter rolls.

 

After the F.B.I. raided the Fulton County election center, Trump demanded Obama’s arrest on social media and threatened the prosecution of election workers. He claimed, among other things, that Italian military satellites had hacked the 2020 election and that Obama had “conspired with foreign powers, not one, not two, not three, but four times to overthrow the United States government in 2016.”

The Italian satellite theory is a jolting reminder that Trump will demand that his core supporters believe almost anything he says, no matter how wild or delusional.

As Jonathan Karl reported for ABC News, this theory “was brought to the White House by a woman who went by several aliases, including ‘The Heiress,’ and was known at the Pentagon for her claimed ties to Somali pirates.”

Rather than discarding the theory as obvious nonsense from an unreliable narrator, Karl says that “then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows directed both the Department of Justice and the Department of Defense to look into the matter.”

Informed readers will know that this column is woefully incomplete. I can’t possibly compile all of Trump’s threats against American elections into a single column. Entire books have been written describing his plot to disrupt the 2020 election.

But one thing is quite clear: He is more dangerous now than he was then. His party controls the House and the Senate. In 2020, Democrats controlled the House.

Trump has filled his administration with cronies and true believers, and his attorney general is one of his chief enforcers. In 2020 Bill Barr, who was then the attorney general, resigned rather than continue to pursue Trump’s stolen election claims.

This time around, by contrast, Ed Martin, a Justice Department official, posted a picture of himself standing next to Sidney Powell, one of the chief legal architects of Trump’s effort to overturn the 2020 election. In 2023 she pleaded guilty to six counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties. The president pardoned her in November.

And what was Martin’s message? “Good morning, America. How are ya’?”

During his first term, the Trump administration largely complied with federal court orders. In his second term, his administration is defying the courts at a frequency that boggles the mind. So even if Trump-appointed judges and justices repeat their courageous performance from 2020 and block any effort by the president to overturn the next election, it’s an open question whether the Trump administration will care.

A president who doesn’t care about the law, who commands an obedient Congress and is supported by a radicalized base of tens of millions of people who believe his lies, represents a threat to the next election. I fear that millions of citizens are still too complacent. They aren’t aware of the peril we face.

And as you take note of each of the incidents I mentioned, you may realize that Trump can unlawfully influence an election without explicitly rigging the count. By deterring his enemies from coming to the polls, he can engineer the outcomes he seeks.

In a future column, I’ll try to describe what can be done to stop him — aside from simply hoping and praying that his lawlessness has limits other than his own morality — but a nation won’t rouse itself if it doesn’t hear the alarm.

So consider this to be something like a fire drill. It’s an alarm, one of thousands that should be ringing across the country. MAGA’s acts of aggression are already intimidating. Trump isn’t just trying to “stop the steal” again; another kind of theft might already be underway.

An interesting thought experiment, if a somewaht paranoid one.  That's allright, I embrace paranoia.  What is seems to miss is that in person poling has shrunk to extremely low levels. If the theory does not account for early voting and mail in voting it has not been thourough enough.  I suppose the discussion of purging of voter rolls sort of gets us there on mail in voting, but the paranoia needs to be fleshed out some.

 

BTW, paranoid vigilance is a good thing now.  Both parties have always looked to use temporary power to make their power permanent.  Both have become unabashed in their efforts the lasst decade or more.  We need to keep an eye on them.  Thought experiments are good for that. 

[Engorgeous George 2,464]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Spot. On.

Just remember, anything Trump claims is projection. If he says his opponents are doing something to him, he's at least attempting to do it to them. He will do everything in his power to fock with the midterms, and it'll get worse as '28 approaches unless he dies (depending on circumstances, of course) or is impeached and removed before then. 

If the double Big Mac did not finish him when it was introduced last year I don't think anything will take him out.  Perhaps he might overdose on Thin Mints and Samoas if someone sent a palette or two of them to the white house, it is, aftere all, Girl Scout Cookie time.  There is some potential that the same carcinogens that made Agent Orange so deadly are in his spray tan, so that may get him.

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

27 minutes ago, NorthernVike said:

1. Nope. Just because you sue every single time he does something doesn’t mean it was something illegal. 
 

2. More lies. There’s bad things that happened in prison and detention centers all over the place. If you take the risk you take the risk.
 

3. Once again, a lie. And I know you guys don’t really care about offending Jewish people because well you don’t like them. We wouldn’t have to round them up in the streets if you would’ve picked them up and enforced laws like you’re supposed to and we can get them in the jail. That’s on you.
 

4. Once again personal responsibility. That’s on you.
 

5. We didn’t invade Venezuela. We had a singular military operation that had a bounty on this leader that what do you know a Democratic president also put on him. What do you think about bounty? Is you moron.
 

6. By every metric whether it’s the market or GDP, the economy is actually going off. And how many companies are coming back again? That’s right. A ton of them.
 

7. You can still get the vaccines in almost every state that I’m aware of. In the shots you’re going crazy about? Does a baby need the Covid shot? No. 
You act like measles or polio or something is gonna come back and oh wait measles was making a comeback in which communities? Many illegal communities. Imagine that when you inherit Third World countries they act like Third World people. Who would’ve guessed.
 

You’re a liar that needs mental help

 

 

 

 

~cylone24

That dude is a proven clown.

For example, take point 1,latest example is the epstein transparency act, he broke this law.  It's not a lie to say he breaks the law.

[Fnord 2,816]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

An interesting thought experiment, if a somewaht paranoid one.  That's allright, I embrace paranoia.  What is seems to miss is that in peerson poling has shrunk to extremely low levels. If the theory does not account for early voting and mail in voting it has not been thourough enough.  I suppose the discussion of purging of voter rolls sort of gets us there on mail in voting, but the paranoia needs to be fleshed out some.

 

BTW, paranoid vigilance is a good thing now.  Both parties have always looked to use temporary power to make their power permanent.  Both have become unabashed in their efforts the lasst decade or more.  We need to keep an eye on them.  Thought experiments are good for that. 

25-30 years ago, I was deep into conspiracy thinking; 9/11 really cemented it for me. I was 150% convinced it was an inside job. I was much more politically agnostic in those days. I was young and virile and making money and didn't much care. My FIL then married a woman who was/is gonzo loonytunes about conspiracy theory. Like she believed everything. My disdain for her and how she acted is what ultimately got me to realize how insipid most conspiracy theory is. 

The thing with it is that it typically uses examples of information discovered or associated after the fact and then works backward to find the conspiracies. 9/11 and the Kennedy assassination (or even Princess Di's death) all went that way. Now that I'm less inclined to believe the theories, what do I do when paranoid fears, the things that shouldn't be possible, begin falling like dominos? When you think things like "that won't happen" and then you see them happen? And that continues for more than a decade? This can be seen from a mile away. Have we seen any evidence whatsoever that would lead us to believe the Don would never interfere with election integrity, even if he knew he was going to lose? The answer is hell no. We've seen the exact opposite. 

For the millionth time, I hope I'm wrong. 

[cyclone24 2,165]

7 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

That dude is a proven clown.

For example, take point 1,latest example is the epstein transparency act, he broke this law.  It's not a lie to say he breaks the law.

What is the term the kids use today? You’re getting dragged. 
 

 

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

3 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

What is the term the kids use today? You’re getting dragged. 
 

 

Are you trying to deny that he broke the law?

[cyclone24 2,165]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Are you trying to deny that he broke the law?

Trump no did not break any law. He signed the act. So you wanted the DOJ (not trump skippy) within a month to scour millions upon millions of files to release to the public that’s basically impossible to do. 
So they missed the date. You’re now trying to take that information and make it that Donald Trump broke the law.

 

Again, you’re a liar.

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Trump no did not break any law. He signed the act. So you wanted the DOJ (not trump skippy) within a month to scour millions upon millions of files to release to the public that’s basically impossible to do. 
So they missed the date. You’re now trying to take that information and make it that Donald Trump broke the law.

 

Again, you’re a liar.

Are you really this stupid?  He signed the law, then he broke it, but he didn't break it?

OK, if there is a law in place that orders you to do something, and you don't do it, you don't consider that breaking the law? 

[cyclone24 2,165]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Are you really this stupid?  He signed the law, then he broke it, but he didn't break it?

OK, if there is a law in place that orders you to do something, and you don't do it, you don't consider that breaking the law? 

HE didn’t break the law. You had this rushed bizarre one off law because you just had to have this information. He then had one month to have his DOJ scour millions of files because of this blood lust for Trump. He signed the act. The fact you guys wanted it that fast did you want the government to shut down just to appease this scouring of information? Of course not. But they can only work so fast. I don’t think Donald Trump is scouring the files so what would you have liked him to do? He signed the act, even though it was idiotic.

So no, Trump didn’t break the law. But good try. And again thank you for proving it. It’s not about the victims.

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

26 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

HE didn’t break the law. You had this rushed bizarre one off law because you just had to have this information. He then had one month to have his DOJ scour millions of files because of this blood lust for Trump. He signed the act. The fact you guys wanted it that fast did you want the government to shut down just to appease this scouring of information? Of course not. But they can only work so fast. I don’t think Donald Trump is scouring the files so what would you have liked him to do? He signed the act, even though it was idiotic.

So no, Trump didn’t break the law. But good try. And again thank you for proving it. It’s not about the victims.

So he didn't fulfill the legal requirements of the law, but he didn't break the law.

And I'll ignore all the other BS excuses you posted.

See this is why you're a clown.

[cyclone24 2,165]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So he didn't fulfill the legal requirements of the law, but he didn't break the law.

And I'll ignore all the other BS excuses you posted.

See this is why you're a clown.

HE no did not break any law. 
 

Again, you have these amazingly unreal expectations, and metrics you expect from Trump that you had no interest in whatsoever under Biden. Why didn’t you raise a ruckus and give the Biden DOJ one month to produce all the files? They are the same files you just didn’t care before. And we know why because Trump wasn’t the president then. Now that he is now you just have this urgent urgent need because you care so very, very passionate about these victims that now that Trump’s in power now you have to have it. 
 

And again that’s why you’re getting dragged…. 

[Hardcore troubadour 16,469]

Gutterboy wants all those files stat! Thats because the ones he has gotten don’t show crimes by Trump.  Sorry victims, I neeeeed this! 

[Engorgeous George 2,464]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

So he didn't fulfill the legal requirements of the law, but he didn't break the law.

And I'll ignore all the other BS excuses you posted.

See this is why you're a clown.

A law which orders the difficult or inconvenient needs to be complied with.  A law which orders the impracticle does as well.  A law which orderes the impossible so that the drafters can seem manful and serious, well, the impossible is impossible.  One makes a good faith effort to comply, but what can one do?  No one takes such matters seriously.  Impossibility of performance is a legal concept the courts will be cognizant of.   

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

11 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

A law which orders the difficult or inconvenient needs to be complied with.  A law which orders the impracticle does as well.  A law which orderes the impossible so that the drafters can seem manful and serious, well, the impossible is impossible.  One makes a good faith effort to comply, but what can one do?  No one takes such matters seriously.  Impossibility of performance is a legal concept the courts will be cognizant of.   

are you arguing that it is impossible to release all the files and provide reasons for redactions as required?

[cyclone24 2,165]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

are you arguing that it is impossible to release all the files and provide reasons for redactions as required?

They should’ve just redacted everything and told you guys to go fock yourselves. 
 

We are at the exact spot I knew we would be. Now it’s just gossip fodder and nobody’s gonna get prosecuted now. Great job as always 

[Engorgeous George 2,464]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

are you arguing that it is impossible to release all the files and provide reasons for redactions as required?

No.  I am arguing that it was impossible to do so in the time provided given the resources available to do so.

[Ron_Artest 3,077]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

No.  I am arguing that it was impossible to do so in the time provided given the resources available to do so.

What is the appropriate time for the full release?