seafoam1 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 The climate has been changing since it first formed. Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted February 16 Posted February 16 If you are asking them something that requires common sense, they cannot compute the answer. Imagine you hand a liberal a connect the dots puzzle. It's a really easy one. 4 dots. Numbered 1-4. All in a straight line. They will stare at it like you just asked them to solve fusion using mathematics in less than 5 minutes. If they do finally answer it, the answer will be something like "I don't know what a woman is." Or "This puzzle is racist." 1 Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 2 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: If you are asking them something that requires common sense, they cannot compute the answer. Imagine you hand a liberal a connect the dots puzzle. It's a really easy one. 4 dots. Numbered 1-4. All in a straight line. They will stare at it like you just asked them to solve fusion using mathematics in less than 5 minutes. If they do finally answer it, the answer will be something like "I don't know what a woman is." Or "This puzzle is racist." They either run away from it or change the narrative. There will be no other approach by them. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Yeah but if you invested 10k in Beyond Meat in 2021 today you would have 41 dollars. 2 Quote
thegeneral Posted February 16 Posted February 16 4 hours ago, Strike said: https://archive.is/tWhHo It’s not. That was easy. Quote
Strike Posted February 16 Author Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, thegeneral said: It’s not. That was easy. Exactly. More liberal polices doing the exact opposite of what they were intended to do. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Just now, Strike said: Exactly. More liberal polices doing the exact opposite of what they were intended to do. Removing people from fossil fuels or reducing fossil fuel use is going to be a convoluted process. It wouldn’t be easy in a perfect situation with all people aligned on what should happen and how to do it, much less what we have. Quote
FrancieFootball Posted February 16 Posted February 16 California has earned every cent of its high gas prices. Pipelines there are minimal, and pipelines are the most cost-effective means of transporting gasoline. Plus the taxes and tough environmental laws. Quote
Strike Posted February 16 Author Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said: California has earned every cent of its high gas prices. Pipelines there are minimal, and pipelines are the most cost-effective means of transporting gasoline. Plus the taxes and tough environmental laws. They didn't used to have to transport it. They had lots of refineries within the state, but their policies have caused the oil companies to shut most of them down. So NOW they have to import the fuel, apparently from the Bahamas, that they didn't used to have to do. But MUH, CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!!! Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Removing people from fossil fuels or reducing fossil fuel use is going to be a convoluted process. It wouldn’t be easy in a perfect situation with all people aligned on what should happen and how to do it, much less what we have. Yeah, you keep trying. Quote
FrancieFootball Posted February 16 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, Strike said: They didn't used to have to transport it. They had lots of refineries within the state, but their policies have caused the oil companies to shut most of them down. So NOW they have to import the fuel, apparently from the Bahamas, that they didn't used to have to do. But MUH, CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!!! I don't understand the denial and rejection of all the proof that mankind has affected the climate. It's not that hard to understand how our actions, particularly burning fossil fuels, cause global warming. I support a gradual, painless way to move from fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, not this "eliminate gas-burning vehicles in five years!" baloney. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 16 Posted February 16 6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Yeah, you keep trying. It will never happen in my lifetime although moving away from them as much as possible is the goal. Quote
weepaws Posted February 16 Posted February 16 2 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said: I don't understand the denial and rejection of all the proof that mankind has affected the climate. It's not that hard to understand how our actions, particularly burning fossil fuels, cause global warming. I support a gradual, painless way to move from fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, not this "eliminate gas-burning vehicles in five years!" baloney. Harder to understand, how a man thinks it’s a woman. Sad. Quote
Strike Posted February 16 Author Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said: I don't understand the denial and rejection of all the proof that mankind has affected the climate. It's not that hard to understand how our actions, particularly burning fossil fuels, cause global warming. I support a gradual, painless way to move from fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, not this "eliminate gas-burning vehicles in five years!" baloney. This has nothing to do with this thread. I mean, the second paragraph might but if it does it's just supporting my stance that CA's policies are hurting that transition more than helping. So, like the General, you're agreeing with me. Welcome to the dark side. Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said: I don't understand the denial and rejection of all the proof that mankind has affected the climate. It's not that hard to understand how our actions, particularly burning fossil fuels, cause global warming. I support a gradual, painless way to move from fossil fuels to alternative energy sources, not this "eliminate gas-burning vehicles in five years!" baloney. This is funny. Princess rusty calls himself a liberal tranny named Francine, posts a pic of a monkey as his image, lives with 27 cats, and calls himself a journalist. And somehow, it all fits his character perfectly. Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 3 minutes ago, thegeneral said: It will never happen in my lifetime although moving away from them as much as possible is the goal. No reason to. But go ahead and spend your time all focused on it. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 16 Posted February 16 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: No reason to. But go ahead and spend your time all focused on it. Why is the air so much shittier in say Mexico, India, China’s big cities? Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 16 Posted February 16 Just now, thegeneral said: Why is the air so much shittier in say Mexico, India, China’s big cities? Over population. And they are gross in every manner. In much of Mexico they don't flush their toilet paper. They throw it in the garbage can. You think the residents of Utah and Montana don't use gasoline? Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: Over population. And they are gross in every manner. In much of Mexico they don't flush their toilet paper. They throw it in the garbage can. You think the residents of Utah and Montana don't use gasoline? How did the air get less gross in LA over the past 30 years or so Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, thegeneral said: How did the air get less gross in LA over the past 30 years or so You want to go through all the liberal run cities in the US and around the world? Los Angeles is considered severely overcrowded and is ranked as one of the most overcrowded urban areas in the United States, despite not having the highest population density. A chronic housing shortage, high housing costs, and limited supply have caused intense overcrowding, affecting affordability and living conditions, particularly in neighborhoods like Pico-Union. Most Overcrowded Area: While NYC is denser, the Los Angeles metropolitan area is often considered more crowded in terms of housing capacity and urban spread. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: You want to go through all the liberal run cities in the US and around the world? Los Angeles is considered severely overcrowded and is ranked as one of the most overcrowded urban areas in the United States, despite not having the highest population density. A chronic housing shortage, high housing costs, and limited supply have caused intense overcrowding, affecting affordability and living conditions, particularly in neighborhoods like Pico-Union. Most Overcrowded Area: While NYC is denser, the Los Angeles metropolitan area is often considered more crowded in terms of housing capacity and urban spread. Your answer is to make it less crowded? Let’s table that though…the question was how has their air improved over past 30 years while at the same time getting more densely populated? Quote
shadrap Posted February 17 Posted February 17 44 minutes ago, thegeneral said: It will never happen in my lifetime although moving away from them as much as possible is the goal. Agreed. In the mean time oil & gas fuels the world & our economy. no need to claim the world is going to hell because of it. so far wind and solar is a bust when you figure in the cost & subsidies. According to Al Gore we were pretty much done for -10 years ago. JMO Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 17 minutes ago, thegeneral said: Your answer is to make it less crowded? Let’s table that though…the question was how has their air improved over past 30 years while at the same time getting more densely populated? It has nothing to do with gasoline. And improving on terrible to make it a little less terrible is nothing to celebrate. It's like saying that John Wayne Gacy was a better guy in year X because he killed a couple less kids than the year before and that makes him a better person. Overpopulation doesn't only effect the airways, it affects everything negatively. EVERYTHING. Get liberals to stop being selfish and take some responsibility in life and the country will be a better place in every way. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, shadrap said: Agreed. In the mean time oil & gas fuels the world & our economy. no need to claim the world is going to hell because of it. so far wind and solar is a bust when you figure in the cost & subsidies. According to Al Gore we were pretty much done for -10 years ago. JMO I’m not some guru on this but I don’t believe wind has been a bust and solar on a house for instance seems like a big win. Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 9 minutes ago, shadrap said: Agreed. In the mean time oil & gas fuels the world & our economy. no need to claim the world is going to hell because of it. so far wind and solar is a bust when you figure in the cost & subsidies. According to Al Gore we were pretty much done for -10 years ago. JMO The world will not end if some resource in it runs out. It got along just fine prior to it using gasoline to power the car. Humans, like every other animal on the planet adapts to the changes on or around the Earth. Get back to me when the sun gets so close it engulfs the planet or fries it to a crisp. Because, it will. Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, thegeneral said: I’m not some guru on this but I don’t believe wind has been a bust and solar on a house for instance seems like a big win. It's a bust. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: It has nothing to do with gasoline. And improving on terrible to make it a little less terrible is nothing to celebrate. It's like saying that John Wayne Gacy was a better guy in year X because he killed a couple less kids than the year before and that makes him a better person. Overpopulation doesn't only effect the airways, it affects everything negatively. EVERYTHING. Get liberals to stop being selfish and take some responsibility in life and the country will be a better place in every way. LA’s air is better due to a reduced dependency on fossil fuels. The rest of what you wrote is gibberish. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: It's a bust. There are countries that get almost half their energy from wind. That is a big win. It took us decades to build up infrastructure to allow stuff like coal to provide power. Decades of subsidizing. Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Just now, thegeneral said: LA’s air is better due to a reduced dependency on fossil fuels. The rest of what you wrote is gibberish. Catalitic converters and reducing industrial emmisions through science have done what you are claiming. That's it. Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, thegeneral said: There are countries that get almost half their energy from wind. That is a big win. It took us decades to build up infrastructure to allow stuff like coal to provide power. Decades of subsidizing. Killing wildlife and eating up large amounts of space in much less populated areas of the country. Show me all the wind energy in downtown LA. It's not there. Overpopulation. They are dependant on open land to help them survive. . Quote
SUXBNME Posted February 17 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, thegeneral said: LA’s air is better due to a reduced dependency on fossil fuels. The rest of what you wrote is gibberish. Uh, no. LA smog laws in the 1970s, driven by the 1970 Clean Air Act and the California Air Resources Board, mandated a 90% reduction in vehicle emissions by 1975, initiating strict catalytic converter requirements, mandatory NOₓ device installation, and, by 1974, smog inspections upon vehicle transfer to combat severe pollution. It also made cars crappy. Quote
Gepetto Posted February 17 Posted February 17 This is already being handled: https://www.epa.gov/co-pollution/basic-information-about-carbon-monoxide-co-outdoor-air-pollution Cities in the U.S. do not have polluted air like they did in the 1970s. Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: Catalitic converters and reducing industrial emmisions through science have done what you are claiming. That's it. In part. Improved fuel standards, electric vehicles and other factors as well. Why was there a push to do all these things? How did they come about? Quote
thegeneral Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: Killing wildlife and eating up large amounts of space in much less populated areas of the country. Show me all the wind energy in downtown LA. It's not there. Overpopulation. They are dependant on open land to help them survive. . Lol Quote
Strike Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, thegeneral said: LA’s air is better due to a reduced dependency on fossil fuels. The rest of what you wrote is gibberish. What you wrote is gibberish. Go back and look at LA's air in the 70's when *I* grew up there. Every day was a stage 3 smog alert in the summer. Now that's rare. But the cleanup started back in the 70's/early 80's, well before EV's even existed. 1 Quote
Gepetto Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Electric vehicles have done nothing. About 2% of vehicles on the road are electric. There are for more gasoline and diesel fueled vehicles on the road today then gas/diesel vehicles in preceding years, and decades. Quote
Strike Posted February 17 Author Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, thegeneral said: In part. Improved fuel standards, electric vehicles and other factors as well. Why was there a push to do all these things? How did they come about? The backtracking begins!!! 1 Quote
seafoam1 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, thegeneral said: Lol Yeah, that's all you got. When the world adds another 2 billion in population over the next 20 years let's see how great it's all getting. Quote
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