Hawkeye21 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said: You tell me. You’re the concerned one. I think there are more. It would make sense because there are more and more people identifying as transgender. I think a lot of these people need some serious help. Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said: Duh. They/them are one of yours. Condemn transgender violence or own it. Who does Caitlyn Jenner belong to? Quote
squistion Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Hawkeye21 said: There is no data that I can find. Yes, it could be a bias but we are seeing a lot of violence from transgenders. Whether it's more or less than it was 5 years ago, I don't know. There may not be more violence but we are seeing a lot more of it publicized by the right to fit their anti-trans agenda and talking points. If this had been a typical domestic violence shooting and murder by a non-trans person, it probably wouldn't be news outside the city where it happened - and there certainly wouldn't be a thread started about it in this forum. Quote
Tree of Knowledge Posted February 17 Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Who does Caitlyn Jenner belong to? You Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Tree of Knowledge said: You Jenner is not a Republican? Quote
Red White and Blue Posted February 17 Posted February 17 9 minutes ago, Hawkeye21 said: I think there are more. It would make sense because there are more and more people identifying as transgender. I think a lot of these people need some serious help. That’s true, if more people identify as trans you’d expect more trans murderers. The question is whether they’re disproportionately represented among murderers. Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 29 minutes ago, TimHauck said: There does appear to be some impact of rhetoric in this shooting. Even if you forget about the shooter’s fandom of popular far-right influencer Nick Fuentes, the shooter was clearly not a fan of the hate trans people got online. Of course people being mean doesn’t mean they should be killed, but IMO it’s hypocritical for people to say both: ”left wing rhetoric is responsible for this!!” and ”who cares about some mean tweets??” Either rhetoric is responsible, or it’s not. IMO, it’s not. I’m gonna preface this by saying I’m not shirking any of the people that he followed and diminishing it if he was following right wing people. This case sounds more like a crazy person than anything. He wasn’t really lashing out at group of people he didn’t like because of politics or being trans or whatever. This sounds more like it was domestic and he just happened to be trans and had what appears to me, leaning both ways so to speak. In more way than one. Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, cyclone24 said: I’m gonna preface this by saying I’m not shirking any of the people that he followed and diminishing it if he was following right wing people. This case sounds more like a crazy person than anything. He wasn’t really lashing out at group of people he didn’t like because of politics or being trans or whatever. This sounds more like it was domestic and he just happened to be trans and had what appears to me, leaning both ways so to speak. In more way than one. Well according to the reports being trans played a role in the shooter’s prior issues with the ex-wife and former father-in-law. Quote
Hawkeye21 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: I was a CPA/financial analyst who also did mergers and acquisitions for a large company. Along the way I started a side business. About 10 years into that I left the corporate job to run my company full time. You may have put this in the wrong thread 1 Quote
Mark Davis Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Hawkeye21 said: You may have put this in the wrong thread What I get for having 40 browsers open at the top of my screen 1 Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: Well according to the reports being trans played a role in the shooter’s prior issues with the ex-wife and former father-in-law. Could be. But that becomes a little more of a stretch now doesn’t it because now you have to admit that not only is trans generally, a far more liberal stance to have, conservatives will say that living this lifestyle that’s generally supported by the left is a mental illness, which we could say is probably accurate considering he whacked his whole family in front of a bunch of kids at a hockey tournament so then to say yeah but on social media, he follows Nick Fuentes so he clearly has Republican views is going to be a tough sell. Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, Mark Davis said: What I get for having 40 browsers open at the top of my screen CPAs can be tranny too!!! My god the Bigotry!! Disgusting. Quote
Red White and Blue Posted February 17 Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: What I get for having 40 browsers open at the top of my screen How many are porn? Quote
Mark Davis Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Just now, Red White and Blue said: How many are porn? None unfortunately at the present time, it's been a busy work morning. Quote
Gladiators Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Mark Davis said: Are we talking murders or mass shootings? I would assume mental illness runs higher in mass shooters than the average murderer who may be pissed off at someone or do it in process of a robbery etc. To me there’s a difference in being mean enough to shoot someone during a robbery or pissed off enough at one individual to shoot them, and taking the leap to just killing random people or groups. I think the trans percentages are likely higher on mass shootings because those are likely more tied to mental illness issues. Agreed Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 The other thing I don’t get. Why be a man and try to transition to a woman, but still love lifting massive weights and being into motorcycles and stuff like that? Not that women can’t do those things but it’s not what I would say is terribly common? Like Caitlin Jenner transitioned to a woman to be a woman. Reminds me of Mr. Garrison from South Park when the kids called him gay, and he was offended Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted February 17 Posted February 17 The biggest killer of trannies is who? Quote
TheNewGirl Posted February 17 Posted February 17 40 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Who does Caitlyn Jenner belong to? Did Caitlin Jenner shoot someone? Quote
TheNewGirl Posted February 17 Posted February 17 15 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Could be. But that becomes a little more of a stretch now doesn’t it because now you have to admit that not only is trans generally, a far more liberal stance to have, conservatives will say that living this lifestyle that’s generally supported by the left is a mental illness, which we could say is probably accurate considering he whacked his whole family in front of a bunch of kids at a hockey tournament so then to say yeah but on social media, he follows Nick Fuentes so he clearly has Republican views is going to be a tough sell. Do we know if he was following Fuentes because he believed in him; or was he following Fuentes to troll him? I mean, I follow some pretty liberal people to gain various perspectives…not because I necessarily believe in them. I also follow some far right nut jobs for the same reasons. Claiming stuff about this guy because of “who he follows” is just about as lame as surmising that I’m into football because I post here. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, TheNewGirl said: Do we know if he was following Fuentes because he believed in him; or was he following Fuentes to troll him? I mean, I follow some pretty liberal people to gain various perspectives…not because I necessarily believe in them. I also follow some far right nut jobs for the same reasons. Claiming stuff about this guy because of “who he follows” is just about as lame as surmising that I’m into football because I post here. I bet Even you know that football helmets aren’t made of metal, right? Quote
supermike80 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Did TDS Ron get a timeout? I'm absolutely shocked he isn't in here blaming this on Trump. Seriously Quote
squistion Posted February 17 Posted February 17 8 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: Do we know if he was following Fuentes because he believed in him; or was he following Fuentes to troll him? I mean, I follow some pretty liberal people to gain various perspectives…not because I necessarily believe in them. I also follow some far right nut jobs for the same reasons. Claiming stuff about this guy because of “who he follows” is just about as lame as surmising that I’m into football because I post here. That would likely be the perception of most people...just out of curiosity, what brought you to this site if not for some interest in football? Quote
Fumbleweed Posted February 17 Posted February 17 55 minutes ago, squistion said: There may not be more violence but we are seeing a lot more of it publicized by the right to fit their anti-trans agenda and talking points. If this had been a typical domestic violence shooting and murder by a non-trans person, it probably wouldn't be news outside the city where it happened - and there certainly wouldn't be a thread started about it in this forum. At a hockey arena? I think that makes news outside of the city where it happened no matter what the shooter's details were. 1 Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, supermike80 said: Did TDS Ron get a timeout? I'm absolutely shocked he isn't in here blaming this on Trump. Seriously Did he actually get a time out for telling someone to kill themselves on here? Quote
supermike80 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Did he actually get a time out for telling someone to kill themselves on here? I dunno. But I know he'd be here blaming Trump for this. Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 Just now, supermike80 said: I dunno. But I know he'd be here blaming Trump for this. Wait, he didn’t also go by the name of Roberta did he? Quote
squistion Posted February 17 Posted February 17 14 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said: At a hockey arena? I think that makes news outside of the city where it happened no matter what the shooter's details were. Maybe on a really slow news day...That said, I doubt that most domestic violence shootings in a public place would rate a thread on this forum unless it was a mass shooting. Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said: Could be. But that becomes a little more of a stretch now doesn’t it because now you have to admit that not only is trans generally, a far more liberal stance to have, conservatives will say that living this lifestyle that’s generally supported by the left is a mental illness, which we could say is probably accurate considering he whacked his whole family in front of a bunch of kids at a hockey tournament so then to say yeah but on social media, he follows Nick Fuentes so he clearly has Republican views is going to be a tough sell. I’m not sure what you’re getting at. You’re the one that in prior threads liked assigning views of people’s family to themselves. The father in law reportedly didn’t want to live with a tranny, which would suggest the father in law at least was likely not a liberal. So by your logic the shooter probably wasn’t either. Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 42 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: Do we know if he was following Fuentes because he believed in him; or was he following Fuentes to troll him? I mean, I follow some pretty liberal people to gain various perspectives…not because I necessarily believe in them. I also follow some far right nut jobs for the same reasons. Claiming stuff about this guy because of “who he follows” is just about as lame as surmising that I’m into football because I post here. I agree with you and was skeptical when I first read that the shooter “followed” right wing accounts. But unless these screenshots are doctored, the shooter apparently said “love Nick!!!!” and “Nick rules” https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/rhode-island-ice-rink-shooting-1779578 Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 32 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said: At a hockey arena? I think that makes news outside of the city where it happened no matter what the shooter's details were. It probably “makes the news,” but it’s probably not one of the most talked about topics among conservative social media. I gave an example of a shooting at a youth football game last year which only made local news. 1 Quote
HellToupee Posted February 17 Posted February 17 51 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The biggest killer of trannies is who? Psychiatrists and big pharma 1 Quote
Fumbleweed Posted February 17 Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, TimHauck said: It probably “makes the news,” but it’s probably not one of the most talked about topics among conservative social media. I gave an example of a shooting at a youth football game last year which only made local news. That's fair, but coming right on the heels of the other shooting in Canada by a trans shooter, the dots sort of connect themselves, I think, from a reasonable person's standpoint. Quote
cyclone24 Posted February 17 Posted February 17 4 minutes ago, Fumbleweed said: That's fair, but coming right on the heels of the other shooting in Canada by a trans shooter, the dots sort of connect themselves, I think, from a reasonable person's standpoint. Exactly. Perception is reality. I mean we aren’t talking about a string of murders committed by Vietnamese or amputees and just pulling a race/lifestyle out of the air for fun….theres a NOTICEABLE uptick from the trans community. Quote
TheNewGirl Posted February 17 Posted February 17 16 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I agree with you and was skeptical when I first read that the shooter “followed” right wing accounts. But unless these screenshots are doctored, the shooter apparently said “love Nick!!!!” and “Nick rules” https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/rhode-island-ice-rink-shooting-1779578 Eh. I just put very little faith in using someone’s posts as a good gauge. Could have been said with sarcasm? Could still be trolling. Maybe I’ve just known too many online trolls and keyboard warriors to put much stock in what someone posted. Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said: The biggest killer of trannies is who? I’d guess heart disease, just like the general population Quote
Strike Posted February 17 Posted February 17 2 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said: Eh. I just put very little faith in using someone’s posts as a good gauge. Could have been said with sarcasm? Could still be trolling. Maybe I’ve just known too many online trolls and keyboard warriors to put much stock in what someone posted. It's like you're been reading/posting here for 20 years! Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted February 17 Posted February 17 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: I’d guess heart disease, just like the general population You continue to impress. 🪖 Quote
TimHauck Posted February 17 Posted February 17 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You continue to impress. 🪖 Well what is it then and surely you’ll provide a link to back up your claim right? Quote
weepaws Posted February 17 Posted February 17 6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You continue to impress. 🪖 Police shootings. Quote
TheNewGirl Posted February 17 Posted February 17 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Well what is it then and surely you’ll provide a link to back up your claim right? Sigh. can no one google? https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9887492/ In this cohort study of 139 484 individuals, TGD people had elevated overall mortality compared with cisgender people, specifically deaths from external causes (suicides, homicides, and accidental poisonings), endocrine disorders, and other ill-defined and unspecified causes. Quote
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