Democrats Shutdown

[Hardcore troubadour]

Democrats still refuse to fund the Department of HOMELAND security. God help us. 

[Red White and Blue]

Good. But they’ll cave. They always do.

[cyclone24]

And their big holdup is not having ice agents outside of polling stations. Now, why on earth would they be concerned about that? Or better yet if you’re a LEGAL citizen, why would you be concerned if they are there or not?
 

scumbags

[Red White and Blue]

11 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

And their big holdup is not having ice agents outside of polling stations. Now, why on earth would they be concerned about that? Or better yet if you’re a LEGAL citizen, why would you be concerned if they are there or not?
 

scumbags

I’d be concerned about Ice questioning and detaining legal people without cause outside polling stations. 

[cyclone24]

8 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

I’d be concerned about Ice questioning and detaining legal people without cause outside polling stations. 

Lol..right. 
 

message is clear… you’ll make millions of Americans suffer so you can protect illegal votes…. 
 

 

[Fnord]

18 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

And their big holdup is not having ice agents outside of polling stations. Now, why on earth would they be concerned about that? Or better yet if you’re a LEGAL citizen, why would you be concerned if they are there or not?
 

scumbags

It is explicitly illegal according to 18 USC SECTION 592. Federal and State Election Laws Ban Federal Forces from Polling Places

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It is illegal for ICE (Immigration and Customs Enforcement) to be outside polling places because it constitutes voter intimidation, which is prohibited by federal and state laws designed to ensure free, secure, and fair elections. The presence of armed federal agents at polls is illegal under 18 USC section 592, as it threatens, coerces, and scares eligible voters—particularly in immigrant communities—away from exercising their right to vote.

• Voter Intimidation Laws: Federal law makes it a crime to intimidate or coerce any person for the purpose of interfering with their right to vote. The presence of ICE agents creates a fearful environment that directly violates this, acting as a form of voter suppression.
• Protection of Voting Rights: The Voting Rights Act of 1965 provides legal grounds for individuals and officials to block the presence of such agents at polling locations.
• Restrictions on Federal Law Enforcement: Federal laws restrict the deployment of armed federal agents, including immigration officers, at polling places to prevent the military or federal law enforcement from influencing election outcomes.
• State-Level Protections: Many states, such as California, have proposed or enacted legislation specifically banning federal immigration enforcement within a certain distance (e.g., 200 feet) of polling sites, election offices, or ballot counting locations.
• "Oasis of Calm": Courts have recognized that states have a legitimate interest in ensuring that polling places remain an "oasis of calm", free from intimidation or interference

 

[Red White and Blue]

2 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Lol..right. 
 

message is clear… you’ll make millions of Americans suffer so you can protect illegal votes…. 
 

 

Millions of people are going to suffer if Trump’s goon squad isn’t allowed to hassle people at the polls?  

[Fnord]

12 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

I’d be concerned about Ice questioning and detaining legal people without cause outside polling stations. 

This is the exact concern. After seeing these DHS fockers in action, I share the concern.

[HotRod]

Democrats would be happy if we had a large scale terrorist attack hoping it would make President Trump look bad

[Fnord]

1 minute ago, HotRod said:

Democrats would be happy if we had a large scale terrorist attack hoping it would make President Trump look bad

Sure, sure. Remind me: are you in the camp of folks ready to start executing liberals?

[cyclone24]

8 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Millions of people are going to suffer if Trump’s goon squad isn’t allowed to hassle people at the polls?  

Airports are a mess…staff is not showing up, DHS to keep us safe not paid…

Petulant children

[Hardcore troubadour]

6 minutes ago, HotRod said:

Democrats would be happy if we had a large scale terrorist attack hoping it would make President Trump look bad

They would be ecstatic.  

[HellToupee]

5 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Sure, sure. Remind me: are you in the camp of folks ready to start executing liberals?

No need to execute if you’re willing to go through  re-education 

[Red White and Blue]

1 minute ago, cyclone24 said:

Airports are a mess…staff is not showing up, DHS to keep us safe not paid…

Petulant children

Under Trump, Ice has become a lawless thug gang. I’m glad Dems are trying to reign it in, even though they’re likely to cave.

[HotRod]

16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Sure, sure. Remind me: are you in the camp of folks ready to start executing liberals?

Only because liberals are ready to execute real Americans.

[Fnord]

1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

No need to execute if you’re willing to go through  re-education 

LOL. Thank you.

MAGAmooks should take note of your posting history. I think I have a pretty good idea of how you think vs. how you post. You like to do some light trolling, mostly humorous stuff except when you're going at it with Squistion or someone you actually disdain. You say some outlandish stuff occasionally but it doesn't come across as mean spirited; you're typically respectful and a good dude. You don't wish legitimate ill on anyone. While I staunchly disagree with you politically, I value your opinions and posts and enjoy your music conversations immensely.

Some of your boys here could use some coaching on how not to be vile, inhuman dipshits.

[Caine Mutiny]

The Democrats are willing to vote for spending for all facets of DHS except for ICE. They have offered several bills to this effect, each one for a different aspect of DHS spending. Republicans have refused. 
 

The Democrats are willing to vote for ICE spending with certain changes that puts ICE in accord with every other law enforcement agency in the country, including no masks, following Miranda rules, etc. Republicans have refused. 
 

This is on the Republicans. I believe the majority of Americans will see it that way. 
 

If we have a terrorist attack it will not be because of anything the Democrats have done, it will be because the DHS and FBI under Trump reallocated resources from actual internal threats to mass deportation efforts. 

[Fnord]

1 minute ago, HotRod said:

Only because liberals are ready to execute real Americans.

Link? Or do you just spend too much time listening to AM radio?

[Frozenbeernuts]

38 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

I’d be concerned about Ice questioning and detaining legal people without cause outside polling stations. 

I bet they would detain way more illegal. The ratio wouldn't even be close.

[Red White and Blue]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

I bet they would detain way more illegal. The ratio wouldn't even be close.

What a stupid thing to say, lol

[Engorgeous George]

5 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Under Trump, Ice has become a lawless thug gang. I’m glad Dems are trying to reign it in, even though they’re likely to cave.

That is the narrative.  Of course that narrative serves a political purpose so it is fashioned and repeated, but is it accurate?  Is it based on the emotionally powerful but statistically insignificant interactions of a few poorly trained persons performing poorly in highly charged incidents purposefully exacerbated by persons with an agenda. 

 

No abuse of constitutional rights is insignificant, and all abuses of such rights need to be addressed and rectified to the extent that they might be.  I do not, however, assume that the abuses of the few characterize the behavior of the many.  I do worry, however, that the abuses of the few were wholly predictable given the fact that DHS was aiming to make a political impact.  They wanted end results, they wanted numbers and that is not how good law enforcement functions.  They should have been concerned with process and with proper process lived with the numbers achieved. 

[Frozenbeernuts]

27 minutes ago, Fnord said:

It is explicitly illegal according to 18 USC SECTION 592. Federal and State Election Laws Ban Federal Forces from Polling Places

 

It constitutes intimidation alright, of illegals. I wouldn't be intimidated if Ice was at my polling place. Probably because I'm not a liberal panzy

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 minute ago, Red White and Blue said:

What a stupid thing to say, lol

That Ice would detain more illegals than citizens? It's accurate.

[Frozenbeernuts]

15 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Under Trump, Ice has become a lawless thug gang. I’m glad Dems are trying to reign it in, even though they’re likely to cave.

You won't do sht about it but whine behind your keyboard. Just shut it and enjoy the show.

[Red White and Blue]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

That Ice would detain more illegals than citizens? It's accurate.

I’d sort of doubt it, but the stupid part is thinking Ice interfering with legal citizens’ right to vote is worth it if they detain more illegals than legals.  

[Red White and Blue]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

You won't do sht about it but whine behind your keyboard. Just shut it and enjoy the show.

Your tough guy preening and new age babble doesn’t do a whole lot either, Freakshow.  

[Caine Mutiny]

1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said:

That is the narrative.  Of course that narrative serves a political purpose so it is fashioned and repeated, but is it accurate?  Is it based on the emotionally powerful but statistically insignificant interactions of a few poorly trained persons performing poorly in highly charged incidents purposefully exacerbated by persons with an agenda. 

 

No abuse of constitutional rights is insignificant, and all abuses of such rights need to be addressed and rectified to the extent that they might be.  I do not, however, assume that the abuses of the few characterize the behavior of the many.  I do worry, however, that the abuses of the few were wholly predictable given the fact that DHS was aiming to make a political impact.  They wanted end results, they wanted numbers and that is not how good law enforcement functions.  They should have been concerned with process and with proper process lived with the numbers achieved. 

This is fair. Perhaps I and others like me are to quick to judge all ICE agents as the same. I’m going to try and stop doing so. 
 

But your argument would be a lot stronger if the leaders of our government did not immediately attempt to defend every bad action by ICE and offer public pronouncements that seem to call for and encourage those bad actions. 

[Red White and Blue]

4 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

That is the narrative.  Of course that narrative serves a political purpose so it is fashioned and repeated, but is it accurate?  Is it based on the emotionally powerful but statistically insignificant interactions of a few poorly trained persons performing poorly in highly charged incidents purposefully exacerbated by persons with an agenda. 

 

No abuse of constitutional rights is insignificant, and all abuses of such rights need to be addressed and rectified to the extent that they might be.  I do not, however, assume that the abuses of the few characterize the behavior of the many.  I do worry, however, that the abuses of the few were wholly predictable given the fact that DHS was aiming to make a political impact.  They wanted end results, they wanted numbers and that is not how good law enforcement functions.  They should have been concerned with process and with proper process lived with the numbers achieved. 

It’s not widespread. 

[Tree of Knowledge]

18 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Under Trump, Ice has become a lawless thug gang. I’m glad Dems are trying to rein it in, even though they’re likely to cave.

Propaganda 

[cyclone24]

19 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

No need to execute if you’re willing to go through  re-education 

I think to me it’s just a lack of concentration for liberals. So if they are willing to go to, I don’t know. Let’s just call it a camp where it can help them Concentrate a little bit better on American values. I think that would help a lot.
Maybe we could provide transportation for them? Train system is usually pretty efficient.

 

Oh, calm down what too soon? 

[Frozenbeernuts]

6 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

Your tough guy preening and new age babble doesn’t do a whole lot either, Freakshow.  

Me?! Lol you guys have whined like babies for a decade while thinking Trump is Satan. And you haven't done anything but talk sht. Do nothing wimps.

[Red White and Blue]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Me?! Lol you guys have whined like babies for a decade while thinking Trump is Satan. And you haven't done anything but talk sht. Do nothing wimps.

What am I supposed to do about Ice acting like goons other than vote? 

[Frozenbeernuts]

2 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

What am I supposed to do about Ice acting like goons other than vote? 

Idk go scream at them with the blue hairs. They are crazy but they have bigger balls than you

[Meglamaniac]

15 minutes ago, Red White and Blue said:

It’s not widespread. 

"Under Trump, Ice has become a lawless thug gang. I’m glad Dems are trying to rein it in, even though they’re likely to cave."

 

Same breath, both sides of the fence much

[Red White and Blue]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Idk go scream at them with the blue hairs. They are crazy but they have bigger balls than you

That doesn’t accomplish anything and it’s arguably counterproductive. I’d consider being out there filming if they pulled the same thing in Philly that they did in Minny. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

40 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

The Democrats are willing to vote for spending for all facets of DHS except for ICE. They have offered several bills to this effect, each one for a different aspect of DHS spending. Republicans have refused. 
 

The Democrats are willing to vote for ICE spending with certain changes that puts ICE in accord with every other law enforcement agency in the country, including no masks, following Miranda rules, etc. Republicans have refused. 
 

This is on the Republicans. I believe the majority of Americans will see it that way. 
 

If we have a terrorist attack it will not be because of anything the Democrats have done, it will be because the DHS and FBI under Trump reallocated resources from actual internal threats to mass deportation efforts. 

ICE is funded for the next three years. You didn’t know that? Now that you do, start over. 

[zsasz]

LMAO at "Democrats Shutdown".  Republicans own the government.  Figure it out.

[Fnord]

46 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

It constitutes intimidation alright, of illegals. I wouldn't be intimidated if Ice was at my polling place. Probably because I'm not a liberal panzy

DHS agents have detained enough legal immigrants and American citizens that the message came through loud and clear: if you're brown, you're under suspicion and subject to detainment. To have agents at polling places would be voter intimidation.

Do you understand the concept of law?

[Grace Under Pressure]

Name the branch of government Democrats control. 

MAGA really is the dumbest, most gullible group in America. Actively a drain on the country. 

[Engorgeous George]

55 minutes ago, Fnord said:

DHS agents have detained enough legal immigrants and American citizens that the message came through loud and clear: if you're brown, you're under suspicion and subject to detainment. To have agents at polling places would be voter intimidation.

Do you understand the concept of law?

This makes me curious since it has been maybe 20 years since I have been to the polls what with my state hainge mail in ballots. Waht percentage of votes are still cast in person for a national election.  I guess I can go and look. 

 

I do note that electoral power  in this country hinges on a few votes in a few precincts in a few states so I would not be wondering about this to diminish any voter suppression as any voter suppression could be significant voter suppression.  At the same token any voter fraud could as well.  I recognize the possiblity for either.  I don't know that either has been shown in the recent past to any great degree, but I do note  some examples of each have been reported and some of those reports strike me as accurate.