Mike FF Today Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Whoa. This is going to shake up some fantasy values... Quote
Mike FF Today Posted March 17 Author Posted March 17 Current WRs for Miami... Malik Washington Jalen Tolbert Tutu Atwell Tahj Washington Theo Wease Jr. Terrace Marshall Jr. 1 Quote
weepaws Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Mmm, Waddle and Sutton, both of them can't be higher than a wr3. Imo Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 17 Posted March 17 2 hours ago, weepaws said: Mmm, Waddle and Sutton, both of them can't be higher than a wr3. Imo Why's that? Bo Nix lead the NFL last year in pass attempts and 3rd in completions. Quote
Ray_T Posted March 17 Posted March 17 33 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Why's that? Bo Nix lead the NFL last year in pass attempts and 3rd in completions. the guy likely to lose out in this is Franklin. Im sure his targets drops. too bad. I saw him as a possible breakout candidate up until now. I cant see it happening now. Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 17 Posted March 17 22 minutes ago, Ray_T said: the guy likely to lose out in this is Franklin. Im sure his targets drops. too bad. I saw him as a possible breakout candidate up until now. I cant see it happening now. That was my thinking as well. 1 Quote
weepaws Posted March 17 Posted March 17 Franklin will still be involved, but, I'm not going to take Waddle or Sutton any higher than a high wr3 Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 18 Posted March 18 17 hours ago, weepaws said: Franklin will still be involved, but, I'm not going to take Waddle or Sutton any higher than a high wr3 I'm sure he will, but I don't think he's getting the volume. I can see both Sutton and Waddle getting 110 to 130 targets and Franklin getting around 60. You don't pay one dude a boat load of cash to stay (Sutton), then give up a lot of picks and a boat load of cash to acquire someone (Waddle), and not feature both of them. It was this group that did both deals. It's not like a prior regime did them. 1 Quote
Mike FF Today Posted March 18 Author Posted March 18 Steve Schwarz wrote some words on this topic. Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 18 Posted March 18 2 hours ago, Mike FF Today said: Steve Schwarz wrote some words on this topic. I agree completely with Steve. 1 Quote
weepaws Posted March 18 Posted March 18 4 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: I'm sure he will, but I don't think he's getting the volume. I can see both Sutton and Waddle getting 110 to 130 targets and Franklin getting around 60. You don't pay one dude a boat load of cash to stay (Sutton), then give up a lot of picks and a boat load of cash to acquire someone (Waddle), and not feature both of them. It was this group that did both deals. It's not like a prior regime did them. Agreed, I'm not taking either of them higher than a high wr3, now in a 14 team league, I would move that up to wr2. Everything is different in a bigger league Quote
weepaws Posted March 18 Posted March 18 Sutton last season without Waddle, was 22nd in ppr, and 23 in non ppr avg per game, that's high wr3, I don't see one gaining more than that with both Sutton and Waddle together, toss in Engram, Franklin, And Harvey, and I think Harvey will be much better than last season, his rookie year, high wr3. Thanks Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 18 Posted March 18 10 minutes ago, weepaws said: Sutton last season without Waddle, was 22nd in ppr, and 23 in non ppr avg per game, that's high wr3, I don't see one gaining more than that with both Sutton and Waddle together, toss in Engram, Franklin, And Harvey, and I think Harvey will be much better than last season, his rookie year, high wr3. Thanks Then you're going to miss out on 2 WR's who'll likely finish in the top 20. Quote
jrokh Posted March 18 Posted March 18 I'll take Waddle as my Wr2 in the 5th rd. If he's healthy he's a lock for a 1000 Quote
weepaws Posted March 18 Posted March 18 13 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Then you're going to miss out on 2 WR's who'll likely finish in the top 20. Haven't seen that happen yet, Sutton didn't finish top 20 when we was without Waddle, but again, in my two 14 team leagues, that changes their ranking, so wr2 in a big league like 14 teams, but anything smaller, high wr3 Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 18 Posted March 18 1 hour ago, weepaws said: Haven't seen that happen yet, Sutton didn't finish top 20 when we was without Waddle, but again, in my two 14 team leagues, that changes their ranking, so wr2 in a big league like 14 teams, but anything smaller, high wr3 I don't think Sutton is a WR1, but Waddle certainly showed he can be. Pairing the two could yield 2 WR's with over 80 receptions, 1100+ yards, and 8+ TDs. That would put both in the Top 16 in most seasons... top 10 for both, last year. Quote
weepaws Posted March 18 Posted March 18 So basically the total Sutton had last season, he was just a little short of those numbers, but not by much he played 17 games, he was 22nd in ppr, 23rd non ppr avg per game, can't see that changing with Waddle on the team, I think they will cancel each other out from being top 20. Unless I see different going forward, I'll stick to high wr3, but wr2 in a 14 team league Quote
Super Cubs Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I think both Sutton and Waddle can be in the #20 +/- WR range. Sutton being more consistant with his numbers weekly. Waddle having more big games, but being more up and down weekly. Sutton gets the receptions and Waddle gets the yards. Quote
JagFan Posted March 19 Posted March 19 8 hours ago, weepaws said: Haven't seen that happen yet, Sutton didn't finish top 20 when we was without Waddle, but again, in my two 14 team leagues, that changes their ranking, so wr2 in a big league like 14 teams, but anything smaller, high wr3 This is why you don’t draft a WR until week 6. Quote
JagFan Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I’ll take Sutton to be the one you want especially in PPR. With Waddle there to stretch the field as a true threat things will open up more for Sutton. Think back to Sean Payton’s years in NO where guys like Colston, Thomas, and Graham were league winners. The 6’4” Sutton fits that bill. Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted March 19 Posted March 19 11 hours ago, JagFan said: I’ll take Sutton to be the one you want especially in PPR. With Waddle there to stretch the field as a true threat things will open up more for Sutton. Think back to Sean Payton’s years in NO where guys like Colston, Thomas, and Graham were league winners. The 6’4” Sutton fits that bill. I can see that. I see a comparison of the 2014 Bucs with Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. Waddle is your Vincent Jackson deep ball threat and Sutton is you Mike Evans 50/50 ball/end zone threat. Even in a year with Josh McCown & Mike Glennon, both had over 1000 yards. Or, a Jacksonville comparison, this is a Jimmy Smith / Keenan McCardell situation. I think Sutton can be a 90 / 1100 / 9 guy and Waddle be a 75 / 1300 / 6 guy... where both fall somewhere between 10 and 15. I think both are gone by the 4th round. Quote
weepaws Posted March 19 Posted March 19 Waddle would be the one i would take first, he's the better player and playmaker . Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted March 19 Posted March 19 I love Waddle but don't feel like this is a great for his Fantasy stock. Nix isn't exactly an elite passer. Quote
jrokh Posted March 19 Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said: Nix isn't exactly an elite passer. Finished 8th in yards, 9th in TD's Good enough for fantasy... 1 Quote
weepaws Posted March 20 Posted March 20 2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: I love Waddle but don't feel like this is a great for his Fantasy stock. Nix isn't exactly an elite passer. Agreed Quote
Ray_T Posted March 20 Posted March 20 On 3/18/2026 at 7:07 AM, TBayXXXVII said: I'm sure he will, but I don't think he's getting the volume. I can see both Sutton and Waddle getting 110 to 130 targets and Franklin getting around 60. You don't pay one dude a boat load of cash to stay (Sutton), then give up a lot of picks and a boat load of cash to acquire someone (Waddle), and not feature both of them. It was this group that did both deals. It's not like a prior regime did them. correct. if you believe in the 'follow the money theory' Sutton and Waddle are in. Franklin out. Quote
Ray_T Posted March 20 Posted March 20 12 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: I can see that. I see a comparison of the 2014 Bucs with Vincent Jackson and Mike Evans. Waddle is your Vincent Jackson deep ball threat and Sutton is you Mike Evans 50/50 ball/end zone threat. Even in a year with Josh McCown & Mike Glennon, both had over 1000 yards. Or, a Jacksonville comparison, this is a Jimmy Smith / Keenan McCardell situation. I think Sutton can be a 90 / 1100 / 9 guy and Waddle be a 75 / 1300 / 6 guy... where both fall somewhere between 10 and 15. I think both are gone by the 4th round. with Waddle there, I could see sutton getting less double teams. so I think his numbers improve. to what degree I cannot say, but I dont think Waddles presence hurts his value Quote
JagFan Posted March 20 Posted March 20 10 hours ago, weepaws said: Waddle would be the one i would take first, he's the better player and playmaker . You can make a case for either as your favorite. I think TBay is spot on that they’ll both do well together. I also think the situation will generate enough of a cloud of doubt to keep both of their ADPs as reasonable. The real winner is Nix. To all the views in this topic that Nix isn’t good enough to hold up the value of these guys is where people are just wrong. This is a high volume pass offense. Nix is going to put up big fantasy numbers just by default. Plus his legs keeps plays alive long enough for his receivers to get open. And I could also see a path to stacking the three of them with a true RB1 in round one, and an above average RB2 or true WR1 in round two to put together a roster that could dominate. 1 Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted March 21 Posted March 21 On 3/19/2026 at 7:44 PM, jrokh said: Finished 8th in yards, 9th in TD's Good enough for fantasy... They are a run 1st offense. He won't get the targets needed to make him a WR1. Quote
jrokh Posted March 21 Posted March 21 2 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: They are a run 1st offense. He won't get the targets needed to make him a WR1. Who's talking about him as a Wr1? Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted March 21 Posted March 21 5 hours ago, jrokh said: Who's talking about him as a Wr1? A First, Third and Fourth round pick is WR1 round draft capital. If he's not a WR1 then what should he be at that price? Quote
jrokh Posted March 21 Posted March 21 29 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: A First, Third and Fourth round pick is WR1 round draft capital. If he's not a WR1 then what should he be at that price? I'm talking about fantasy, not sure where you are with this? Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted March 21 Posted March 21 8 minutes ago, jrokh said: I'm talking about fantasy, not sure where you are with this? He has a round 3 grade right now, that's a WR1 I think he's more of a WR3 You?? Quote
jrokh Posted March 22 Posted March 22 On 3/18/2026 at 2:00 PM, jrokh said: I'll take Waddle as my Wr2 in the 5th rd. If he's healthy he's a lock for a 1000 27 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: He has a round 3 grade right now, that's a WR1 I think he's more of a WR3 You?? Already answered this... Quote
weepaws Posted March 22 Posted March 22 I'm seeing Waddle being listed a as wr21, that's a low wr2. Quote
Mike FF Today Posted March 31 Author Posted March 31 Dolphins GM with an honest take on why they moved Waddle... Quote
Ray_T Posted March 31 Posted March 31 On 3/19/2026 at 8:53 PM, JagFan said: You can make a case for either as your favorite. I think TBay is spot on that they’ll both do well together. I also think the situation will generate enough of a cloud of doubt to keep both of their ADPs as reasonable. The real winner is Nix. To all the views in this topic that Nix isn’t good enough to hold up the value of these guys is where people are just wrong. This is a high volume pass offense. Nix is going to put up big fantasy numbers just by default. Plus his legs keeps plays alive long enough for his receivers to get open. And I could also see a path to stacking the three of them with a true RB1 in round one, and an above average RB2 or true WR1 in round two to put together a roster that could dominate. you are correct. if you dont know wr to bet on, and for one reason or another feel like one but not both will produce, then the right answer is to invest in the QB instead. Quote
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