The far-left group, South Poverty Law Center, has been INDICTED for funneling money to the KKK and Socialist Party

[Frozenbeernuts]

Nothing weird about this libs? Just a coincidence?

 

[Caine Mutiny]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Nothing weird about this libs? Just a coincidence?

 

SPLC “planned, organized and paid for the Charlottesville rally” 

I believe this to be absolute 100% bullsh!t. Please provide any evidence. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

9 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

I don’t need to because SPLC already has. 
 

Let me make it easy for you: here is a list of all the groups that SPLC has designated as hate groups: 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_organizations_designated_by_the_SPLC_as_hate_groups

Feel free to scroll down the list and tell me which if any don’t deserve to be there and why. 

Why did President Obama have leaders of a hate group in his office as a Senator? 

[Engorgeous George]

Wondering whether any of their Donors feel defrauded.   I'm guessing not.  Donors to something like this are pretty well aligned with the org and are unlikely to change their feelings.  Now feeling defrauded is not essential to proving fraud, but I sort of like to have some putative victim to sort of represent the side of the Prosecution.

[Hardcore troubadour]

2 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

SPLC “planned, organized and paid for the Charlottesville rally” 

I believe this to be absolute 100% bullsh!t. Please provide any evidence. 

someone paid for those khakis and tiki torches. 

[Caine Mutiny]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why did President Obama have leaders of a hate group in his office as a Senator? 

Ask him. What does this have to do with the SPLC? 

[Hardcore troubadour]

1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Ask him. What does this have to do with the SPLC? 

The hate group he met with was designated as such by the SPLC. 

[Caine Mutiny]

Just now, Engorgeous George said:

Wondering whether any of their Donors feel defrauded.   I'm guessing not.  Donors to something like this are pretty well aligned with the org and are unlikely to change their feelings.  Now feeling defrauded is not essential to proving fraud, but I sort of like to ahve some putative victim to sort of represent the side of the Prosecution.

First there would have to be fraud. I can’t see any. 
 

I’ve donated over the years. Not as much as ALCU or Planned Parenthood, but some. If they used the money to pay themselves big salaries then sure I’d feel defrauded. But the charge here is that they used the money to infiltrate hate groups and to bribe informants to get information about those groups. That’s EXACTLY what I want them to do. 

[Engorgeous George]

For those interested here is a link to the indictment.

 

dl

[SaintsInDome2006]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

Although we don’t know all the details, the focus appears to be on the SPLC’s prior use of paid confidential informants to gather credible intelligence on extremely violent groups,” Fair said.

Historically, the nonprofit advocacy group has fought for racial justice in the South while investigating extremist groups and providing litigation and education to those impacted by civil rights violations. 

In the video, Fair said that the organization began using paid informants as a protective measure for its staff after their office was firebombed. 

“When we began working with informants, we were living in the shadow of the height of the Civil Rights Movement, which had seen bombings at churches, state-sponsored violence against demonstrators, and the murders of activists that went unanswered by the justice system,” he said. “Today, the federal government has been weaponized to dismantle the rights of our most vulnerable people and any organization like ours that tries to stand in the breach.”

I don’t think anyone will ever go wrong following George’s lead on this kind of thing & I agree, I’ll wait further details. But…

- Who the prosecutor on this is will tell us a lot. I haven’t seen a single news report here (Kos is a blog).

- Splc has brought many convictions of genuine bad guys including domestic terrorists & they’ve done it with the FBI & DOJ of both parties.

- Let’s face it, maga got pissed because Splc tracked & declared certain groups that favor & support Trump personally as extremists. That’s why there is all this dancing despite the public good we know they’ve done.

- But this practice of paying informants is something law enforcement does, not private groups running their own investigations, even if it is for the public good. Imagine if a bunch of super-wealthy right wingers started doing this on liberals, it could get quite hairy. 

But we’ll see.

[Caine Mutiny]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

The hate group he met with was designated as such by the SPLC. 

Well then he shouldn’t have met with them. What does this have to do with the SPLC? 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Just now, Caine Mutiny said:

First there would have to be fraud. I can’t see any. 
 

I’ve donated over the years. Not as much as ALCU or Planned Parenthood, but some. If they used the money to pay themselves big salaries then sure I’d feel defrauded. But the charge here is that they used the money to infiltrate hate groups and to bribe informants to get information about those groups. That’s EXACTLY what I want them to do. 

That’s not the charge. 

[Caine Mutiny]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

That’s not the charge. 

It’s exactly the charge. Read the part regarding the National Alliance. 

[HellToupee]

Slpc is one of the foremost leaders in anti-Catholic bigotry 

[Caine Mutiny]

2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

 

- But this practice of paying informants is something law enforcement does, not private groups running their own investigations, even if it is for the public good. Imagine if a bunch of super-wealthy right wingers started doing this on liberals, it could get quite hairy. 

But we’ll see.

Except the SPLC has been doing this for over 60 years. It’s not like it’s a new practice and it’s not like it’s something they kept secret. And they’ve cooperated with every FBI and Justice Department until this one. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

5 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Well then he shouldn’t have met with them. What does this have to do with the SPLC? 

It’s a lot worse than “very fine people” 

[Hardcore troubadour]

3 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

It’s exactly the charge. Read the part regarding the National Alliance. 

It’s not the only charge. Weak. 

[Caine Mutiny]

1 minute ago, HellToupee said:

Slpc is one of the foremost leaders in anti-Catholic bigotry 

You’re quoting Bill Donahue who is himself a hateful bigot. It’s not anti-Catholic to want to protect the rights of gays and trans. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

4 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

You’re quoting Bill Donahue who is himself a hateful bigot. It’s not anti-Catholic to want to protect the rights of gays and trans. 

What did he say? About gays and trans?

[Caine Mutiny]

Just now, Hardcore troubadour said:

It’s not the only charge. Weak. 

First you wrote “that’s not the charge.” Now you write “that’s not the only charge”. And you correctly refer to your responses as weak. I agree. 
 

Let me help you. All of the charges are bogus. None will hold up. The only reason you are cheering them on is because you don’t like the SPLC, not because you’ve seriously considered the nature of these charges. Later on you will be embarrassed by this story, or you will blame the activist judge who throws out the case. And then you will move on to the next story that allows you, even for a short time, to “own the libs”. 

[HellToupee]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

someone paid for those khakis and tiki torches. 

No idea who that could be

 

[squistion]

22 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

I wouldn’t use the word “most” here. I camt think of any exceptions. 

OK. You're probably right.

I didn't have the list in front of me of who they have labelled "hate groups" and didn't want to deal with someone jumping on me with an organization that might be borderline in that respect (not that it matters as HT did anyway seeing "most" as an admission that they get it wrong sometimes, which of course is a Straw Man distortion of what I said). 

[HellToupee]

3 years ago!
 

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

14 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Except the SPLC has been doing this for over 60 years. It’s not like it’s a new practice and it’s not like it’s something they kept secret. And they’ve cooperated with every FBI and Justice Department until this one. 

Well I think I mentioned that, or tried to.

[SaintsInDome2006]

3 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

3 years ago!
 

 

Isn’t this part of the Splc argument, that this is about retribution for Splc declaring TPUSA as extremist?

[HellToupee]

Imagine being branded an extremist for attending a Latin Mass

[cyclone24]

Wow, I’m just kind of catching up so this center suddenly took in a bunch of money to create racist events to then say they are fighting racism? 
 

Why am I not surprised by this?

[Hardcore troubadour]

5 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Imagine being branded an extremist for attending a Latin Mass

I’m one I guess.  After I heard all those words I don’t understand I wanted to hurt someone 

[SaintsInDome2006]

29 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

For those interested here is a link to the indictment.

 

dl

Thanks for posting. I agree with you let’s wait & see. It’s interesting MDAL doesn’t have a USA still & Davidson is just Acting. And the fraud on the donors claim imo is a little sketchy, I think this is exactly the kind of things donors expect. But still private groups paying informants seems like a bad idea.

[Fnord]

12 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

Imagine being branded an extremist for attending a Latin Mass

Is it anything like being branded an extremist for attending a peaceful protest?

[Hardcore troubadour]

7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks for posting. I agree with you let’s wait & see. It’s interesting MDAL doesn’t have a USA still & Davidson is just Acting. And the fraud on the donors claim imo is a little sketchy, I think this is exactly the kind of things donors expect. But still private groups paying informants seems like a bad idea.

And the fake bank accounts? Donors were paying for them?

[Hardcore troubadour]

My mother has been to many masses in Latin.  She wants to leave her money to St. Jude. She’s a modern Eva Braun 

[SaintsInDome2006]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And the fake bank accounts? Donors were paying for them?

Like I said, wait & see, you might be right. I just meant paying informants & if they used fake entities to do that if it’s to trap bad guys then that might be well what they expected. Obviously “if”.

[Engorgeous George]

9 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks for posting. I agree with you let’s wait & see. It’s interesting MDAL doesn’t have a USA still & Davidson is just Acting. And the fraud on the donors claim imo is a little sketchy, I think this is exactly the kind of things donors expect. But still private groups paying informants seems like a bad idea.

Paying for information does not necessarily concern me, though it raises the spectre that those selling information might tailor their information to recieve better pay, including, you know, fabricting information as informants are by definition not trustworthy.  For me the disturbing allegation is that the SPLC was directing those individuals to initiate action.  Of course allegations are just that, allegations, they are not testimony or evidence so i will watch developments and continue to take unsubstantiated allegations with a grain of salt.  For me it is far too early to form any opinion about this matter. 

[cyclone24]

Truly incredible 

[squistion]

14 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

Thanks for posting. I agree with you let’s wait & see. It’s interesting MDAL doesn’t have a USA still & Davidson is just Acting. And the fraud on the donors claim imo is a little sketchy, I think this is exactly the kind of things donors expect. But still private groups paying informants seems like a bad idea.

Not when their offices are being fire bombed (see above Daily Kos article).

[Engorgeous George]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

And the fake bank accounts? Donors were paying for them?

Washing money through shell bank accounts does peak my interest.  The SPLC trying to justify some of their actions by 40 year old threats peaks my interest.  I will follow the story a bit, but for now these are merely unsubstantiated allegations. Let's see what is presented in a court of law and accepted into evidence after challenged by the defense and ruled upon by a judge. 

[HellToupee]

20 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Wow, I’m just kind of catching up so this center suddenly took in a bunch of money to create racist events to then say they are fighting racism? 
 

Why am I not surprised by this?

They need “hate “ & racist  groups to continue to bring in $$$$$. Can’t kill the golden goose 

[squistion]

4 minutes ago, cyclone24 said:

Truly incredible 

Quote

Truly incredible 

Particularly the absurd claim that the SPLC organized, planned and paid for the Charlottesville white supremacist rally. 

[SaintsInDome2006]

13 minutes ago, squistion said:

Not when their offices are being fire bombed (see above Daily Kos article).

Again, I realize. And Splc does good work. And the FBI & local LE does the exact same thing, including using fake entities. But they’re public agencies.