Maximum Overkill Posted May 3 Posted May 3 When Elizabeth Warren took to X in early 2024 to acknowledge the blocked merger between JetBlue Airways and Spirit Airlines, she framed it as a clear consumer victory. She called the decision, which she argued would prevent fares from competition-induced creeping, a "Biden win for flyers." Elizabeth Warren hailed blocking the $3.8B Spirit-JetBlue merger as a 'Biden win for flyers.' Now Spirit is gone https://share.google/gACNfGlWtrHVfQzNq Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Yeah. This is all on creepy joe and liberals. They aren't smart enough to see it though. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted May 3 Posted May 3 48 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said: When Elizabeth Warren took to X in early 2024 to acknowledge the blocked merger between JetBlue Airways and Spirit Airlines, she framed it as a clear consumer victory. She called the decision, which she argued would prevent fares from competition-induced creeping, a "Biden win for flyers." Elizabeth Warren hailed blocking the $3.8B Spirit-JetBlue merger as a 'Biden win for flyers.' Now Spirit is gone https://share.google/gACNfGlWtrHVfQzNq Normally I find most of the threads you start ridiculous but on this issue I think you raise a good point. Biden and Warren were wrong to interfere in that merger. Trump is wrong to constantly interfere in mergers. I’m not opposed to anti-trust laws but that’s what they should be: laws with the same standard applying to everyone. It’s wrong to me, and anti-capitalist, that Presidents and powerful senators should be able to pick and choose who gets to merger based on either their personal interests or views of the marketplace. Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 6 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said: Worst airline ever. Good riddance. Poor princess rusty. Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Normally I find most of the threads you start ridiculous but on this issue I think you raise a good point. Biden and Warren were wrong to interfere in that merger. Trump is wrong to constantly interfere in mergers. I’m not opposed to anti-trust laws but that’s what they should be: laws with the same standard applying to everyone. It’s wrong to me, and anti-capitalist, that Presidents and powerful senators should be able to pick and choose who gets to merger based on either their personal interests or views of the marketplace. Trump kicks ass. People are flocking out of california because you are all really dumb. Quote
easilyscan Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Spirit Airlines has historically positioned itself as an inclusive employer and a supporter of LGBTQ+ initiatives, featuring an LGBTQIA+ Resource Group and participating in community events. Key details regarding Spirit Airlines' involvement in LGBTQ+ issues: Corporate & Employee Support: Spirit established an LGBTQIA+ Resource Group and supported the National Gay Pilot Association (NGPA). Pride Involvement: The airline sponsored the Wilton Manors Stonewall Pride Parade and featured their LGBTQIA+ Employee Resource Group in, as this video shows, internal and external communications, as reported by this TikTok video. Diversity Initiatives: Spirit highlighted their commitment to diversity in their 2022 DEI&B Impact Report, which mentioned expanding uniform policies for flight attendants to be more inclusive, as described in this Facebook post. Quote
Kopy Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I thank God every day for California and New York to keep doing what they're doing. If it wasn't for them. Massachusetts would be the biggest liberal dumpster fire out there. At least we're not #1. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said: Now Spirit is gone Folks, this happened for one reason: the spiking jet fuel costs caused by one man. 1 2 1 Quote
Mark Davis Posted May 3 Posted May 3 This is why in general the government should stay out of business matters. Rarely do our politicians have the knowledge of individual industries to make the right and informed choices. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Spirit Airlines Shuts Down Due to Iran War Fuel Crisis. Other Low-Cost Airlines Could Be Next <<< Dave Davis, Spirit’s President and Chief Executive Officer, cited “the sudden and sustained rise in fuel prices in recent weeks” as the reason for the company’s closure. “Sustaining the business required hundreds of millions of additional dollars of liquidity that Spirit simply does not have and could not procure,” he said in the company’s statement. “This is tremendously disappointing and not the outcome any of us wanted.” According to J.P. Morgan analysts cited by the Wall Street Journal, if fuel prices remained elevated, Spirit’s costs would have risen by $360 million by the end of the year.>>> <<< Since the beginning of the U.S.-Israeli attack on Iran on Feb. 28, the price of jet fuel has increased by nearly 70% in the U.S., according to the Argus U.S. Jet Fuel Index. The crisis has impacted practically every airline and air traveler, raising prices and creating travel uncertainty. This increase is being felt heavily by customers as airlines look to balance costs with increased baggage and ticket prices. According to travel search engine Kayak, the average airfare for an international trip from a U.S. point of origin has increased by about 37% since the war began.>>> 1 Quote
Tree of Knowledge Posted May 3 Posted May 3 I’m old enough to remember how many airlines we had before the Gay Kenyan took office. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: This is why in general the government should stay out of business matters. Rarely do our politicians have the knowledge of individual industries to make the right and informed choices. That whole discussion has zero to do what is happening here, & as a counterpoint regardless Trump just tried to nationalize the airline so it refutes the whole premise. 1 Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 2 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said: I’m old enough to remember how many airlines we had before the Gay Kenyan took office. Sauti Sol also has nothing to do with this. Quote
easilyscan Posted May 3 Posted May 3 7 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Folks, this happened for one reason: the spiking jet fuel costs caused by one man. Wrong! As of May 2026, Spirit Airlines has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection twice in less than a year. The first filing occurred in November 2024, with the airline emerging in March 2025, followed by a second, immediate filing on August 29, 2025, to address ongoing financial difficulties and mounting debt. 1 Quote
Mark Davis Posted May 3 Posted May 3 6 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: That whole discussion has zero to do what is happening here, & as a counterpoint regardless Trump just tried to nationalize the airline so it refutes the whole premise. Of course it does. You do understand that JetBlue would have been in control of those assets? What Trump did or didn't do is irrelevant to this particular case. If you want to discuss Frontier, then ok. You are wanting to dissect every decision or position into a Trump thing, it doesn't work that way in the real world. Trump wasn't even in office when that decision occurred. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Just now, Mark Davis said: Of course it does. You do understand that JetBlue would have been in control of those assets? What Trump did or didn't do is irrelevant to this particular case. If you want to discuss Frontier, then ok. You are wanting to dissect every decision or position into a Trump thing, it doesn't work that way in the real world. Trump seeking to nationalize the airline is the exact sort of thing youre talking about, it’s socialist government intervention on steroids. And Jet Blue could acquire Spirit *now, but guess why they’re not? They’d be saddled with the same costs Spirit is & if they’d acquired them previously we might be looking at 2 airlines going down not one. Jet fuel prices are up 70% since Trump started the war. 70%. 1 Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 On 5/3/2026 at 1:43 PM, easilyscan said: Wrong! As of May 2026, Spirit Airlines has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection twice in less than a year. The first filing occurred in November 2024, with the airline emerging in March 2025, followed by a second, immediate filing on August 29, 2025, to address ongoing financial difficulties and mounting debt. Which they had emerged from. $360 million in additional jet fuel costs, at their margin No one could afford that. The costs to air travel consumers are up 37% as well. We’re all eating this. 1 1 Quote
Mark Davis Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 minute ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Trump seeking to nationalize the airline is the exact sort of thing youre talking about, it’s socialist government intervention on steroids. And Jet Blue could acquire Spirit *now, but guess why they’re not? They’d be saddled with the same costs Spirit is & if they’d acquired them previously we might be looking at 2 airlines going down not one. Jet fuel prices are up 70% since Trump started the war. 70%. You're conflating two issues. Spirit and Frontier are separate companies and separate issues. I'm for the government staying out of both. I can openly say I don't want the government taking a position in those companies or getting involved in it. That is consistent across both. I don't care who the President is at the time, it's just the way it should be. Jet Blue's merger with Spirit was blocked. We don't know what the position of that company would be today because that reality or alternate timeline never occurred. Every airline today is experiencing the change in fuel prices. It's kind of odd to me that you are worried about Jet Blue going out if they were to have absorbed Spirit, and seem to be ok if government interference may have saved them but yet in the Frontier instance, you are against government intervention. The only difference in the two is who the President is. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: I'm for the government staying out of both. I can openly say I don't want the government taking a position in those companies or getting involved in it. That is consistent across both. I don't care who the President is at the time, it's just the way it should be. Ok just be clear this would include Trump’s attempted nationalization, right? Because that’s a hundred times more socialistic than standard antitrust regulation which goes back 125 years now. 1 Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Good. Back to Trailways and Greyhound with you lot. Thats where they belong. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 16 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: Every airline today is experiencing the change in fuel prices. It's kind of odd to me that you are worried about Jet Blue going out if they were to have absorbed Spirit, and seem to be ok if government interference may have saved them but yet in the Frontier instance, you are against government intervention. The only difference in the two is who the President is. I’m conservative & I’m Republican in the sense that traditionally conservatives & Republicans resisted corporate takeovers. The long-standing *conservative belief is that the market is good, that competition is good, & that the consumer will decide. And ultimately there is supposed to be an *independent FTC saying grace over these things. The problem with antitrust occurs when the government picks winners & losers depending on political connections & influence. Like the massive Paramount-Warner Brothers deal where they just threw a massive gala for administration officials. That is the definition of ‘The Swamp.’ And we’re all absorbing the increased costs, the cost never goes away. 1 Quote
Mark Davis Posted May 3 Posted May 3 Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said: Ok just be clear this would include Trump’s attempted nationalization, right? Because that’s a hundred times more socialistic than standard antitrust regulation which goes back 125 years now. I am against government intervention under any administration. This has nothing to do with Trump for me, I don't really consider my politicians when it comes to business unless they are getting in the way. Also, has Frontier been nationalized? My understanding is they are wanting a subsidy for fuel price changes. Maybe I misunderstood but I looked it up to see and what I'm finding appears to be only that. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 minute ago, Mark Davis said: I am against government intervention under any administration. This has nothing to do with Trump for me, I don't really consider my politicians when it comes to business unless they are getting in the way. Also, has Frontier been nationalized? My understanding is they are wanting a subsidy for fuel price changes. Maybe I misunderstood but I looked it up to see and what I'm finding appears to be only that. Spirit - Trump had been attempting to nationalize it & he even made an announcement to that effect. I have no idea how Frontier entered the discussion. I flew them once in Colorado. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 12 minutes ago, Mark Davis said: Also, has Frontier been nationalized? My understanding is they are wanting a subsidy for fuel price changes. Maybe I misunderstood but I looked it up to see and what I'm finding appears to be only that. If I had to pick one reason for the thing called Syndrome of Trump Derangement it would be the maddening dichotomy between what maga folks say they are for & against Vs how the leader of the movement acts & behaves. We just dumped as a nation $20 Billion in subsidies to farmers & Ag corps just to compensate for the cost of the tariff VaT taxes. Subsidies to ‘fix’ the socialist policy of their Leader. So does Frontier *also want a subsidy to *fix the costs of the war that this same Leader started all by himself? Sure! Why not! Just call it what it is, please: Socialism. Quote
Mark Davis Posted May 3 Posted May 3 3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Spirit - Trump had been attempting to nationalize it & he even made an announcement to that effect. I have no idea how Frontier entered the discussion. I flew them once in Colorado. I guess I never took the Spirit discussion seriously. I remember some off the cuff remarks about wanting to save it. The facts are as I understand them though that Spirit leases it's aircraft, at least in large part. You basically have a bunch of aircraft and terminal leases, probably a bunch of spare parts and maintenance assets. The business model is flawed, government intervention isn't saving that. Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: If I had to pick one reason for the thing called Syndrome of Trump Derangement it would be the maddening dichotomy between what maga folks say they are for & against Vs how the leader of the movement acts & behaves. We just dumped as a nation $20 Billion in subsidies to farmers & Ag corps just to compensate for the cost of the tariff VaT taxes. Subsidies to ‘fix’ the socialist policy of their Leader. So does Frontier *also want a subsidy to *fix the costs of the war that this same Leader started all by himself? Sure! Why not! Just call it what it is, please: Socialism. No. It's cause you are all seriously triggered to the point of derangement. Your actions are not logical and they are often time violent and verbally, stupidly aggressive. It causes all of you to hate and lash out at the perfectly functional smart normal people. Quote
Grace Under Pressure Posted May 3 Posted May 3 MAGA blaming Biden of course. Very on brand for the cult of gullible dummies. Anyone with a functioning brain knows the why behind what pushed the airline over the edge at this very moment in time. Keep simping though. 1 Quote
Mark Davis Posted May 3 Posted May 3 4 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: If I had to pick one reason for the thing called Syndrome of Trump Derangement it would be the maddening dichotomy between what maga folks say they are for & against Vs how the leader of the movement acts & behaves. We just dumped as a nation $20 Billion in subsidies to farmers & Ag corps just to compensate for the cost of the tariff VaT taxes. Subsidies to ‘fix’ the socialist policy of their Leader. So does Frontier *also want a subsidy to *fix the costs of the war that this same Leader started all by himself? Sure! Why not! Just call it what it is, please: Socialism. But here's the rub for me, I voted for Trump but can openly say I am not for every policy of his. Admittedly I like more than I don't but I don't quite get all the brown paper bag breathing the talking heads do over things he does. There's also a little to unpack in the above. A VAT and a tariff are different, not sure if that makes a difference and it would be quite granular to get into here, but they are not the same. I am curious personally, why are you capitalizing the word "Leader"? Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 3 Posted May 3 48 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said: MAGA blaming Biden of course. Very on brand for the cult of gullible dummies. Anyone with a functioning brain knows the why behind what pushed the airline over the edge at this very moment in time. Keep simping though. Liberals being stupid of course. Very on brand for that cult of gullible dumbasses. Normal people who don't have TDS and aren't stupid know the truth. Keep up the whining though princess rusty. 1 Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 3 Posted May 3 1 hour ago, easilyscan said: Wrong! As of May 2026, Spirit Airlines has filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection twice in less than a year. The first filing occurred in November 2024, with the airline emerging in March 2025, followed by a second, immediate filing on August 29, 2025, to address ongoing financial difficulties and mounting debt. Saints is upset. Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted May 3 Author Posted May 3 1 hour ago, Grace Under Pressure said: MAGA blaming Biden of course. Very on brand for the cult of gullible dummies. Anyone with a functioning brain knows the why behind what pushed the airline over the edge at this very moment in time. Keep simping though. Liberals Quote
TimHauck Posted May 3 Posted May 3 3 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Folks, this happened for one reason: the spiking jet fuel costs caused by one man. It wasn’t the “one” reason, but it was certainly the nail in the coffin 1 1 1 Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 3 Posted May 3 4 hours ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Folks, this happened for one reason: the spiking jet fuel costs caused by one man. Yeah, poor little Iran, much like Hamas, was just going about their business, not being the world’s biggest threat or anything, when Trump got a hair up his ass and attacked. Loser. Quote
nobody Posted May 3 Posted May 3 4 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Good. Back to Trailways and Greyhound with you lot. Thats where they belong. Nah, the poors will now flock to southwest. As long as there's a buffer airline between me and them, we're all good though. Quote
WhiteWonder Posted May 4 Posted May 4 6 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: Normally I find most of the threads you start ridiculous but on this issue I think you raise a good point. Biden and Warren were wrong to interfere in that merger. Trump is wrong to constantly interfere in mergers. The Biden administration took a hard stance on enforcing antitrust and is reported to have resulted in nearly 70 mergers being blocked by the FTC/DOJ or abandoned altogether. They stopped Penguin/Random House from acquiring Simon and Schuster. TD Bank and First Horizon, Albertsons and Kroger, Tempur sealy and Mattress Firm, United Health and Amedisys.. among others. I agree, administrations shouldn't really be picking and choosing mergers. Just curious why you think Trump is constantly interfering in mergers compared to the past admin. It actually looks like it's been way less. 1 Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said: The Biden administration took a hard stance on enforcing antitrust and is reported to have resulted in nearly 70 mergers being blocked by the FTC/DOJ or abandoned altogether. They stopped Penguin/Random House from acquiring Simon and Schuster. TD Bank and First Horizon, Albertsons and Kroger, Tempur sealy and Mattress Firm, United Health and Amedisys.. among others. I agree, administrations shouldn't really be picking and choosing mergers. Just curious why you think Trump is constantly interfering in mergers compared to the past admin. It actually looks like it's been way less. I haven’t counted. Trump seems to be in the news doing this a lot. I agree that no President should pick and choose. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 4 Posted May 4 AOC stopped Amazon from bringing thousands of jobs to her district that she’s not from. Quote
WhiteWonder Posted May 4 Posted May 4 12 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: I haven’t counted. I’m shocked Quote
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