SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: GTFOH with that. No one here believes you. We all know you're an extreme leftist. And Judge Young? What about him? Quote
TimHauck Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Then you would be incorrect. You can choose not to fight back. 1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said: Probably because it's not really war until you decide to declare it and fight back. Lol ok semantics duo, what would you like me to call it? Offensive war? Quote
WhiteWonder Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Lol ok semantics duo, what would you like me to call it? Offensive war? you could just say war instead of cheekily saying voluntary war . He's calling you out because you're being your usual obnoxious self about it, not because of semantics. Quote
TimHauck Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I’m going to go to look at Jerry’s research before I go further, but this wasnt a mere ‘rough patch’, like a downturn or something. It’s a global economic crisis. But it’s a “global crisis” that’s only been happening for like 2 months. But as I said, it actually looks like most US airlines don’t even hedge against oil prices anymore. some more articles: https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-airlines-no-longer-hedge-fuel-costs-that-could-hurt-margins-if-iran-conflict-2026-03-06/ https://www.npr.org/2026/03/27/nx-s1-5759203/fuel-hedging-once-kept-airline-prices-down-now-passengers-bear-the-brunt 1 Quote
easilyscan Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I’m seeing multiple articles saying US airlines largely no longer hedged against oil prices The last part of my post basically said the same thing. Quote although this practice is now far more common among international carriers than in the U.S. Quote
WhiteWonder Posted May 4 Posted May 4 5 minutes ago, TimHauck said: I’m seeing multiple articles saying US airlines largely no longer hedged against oil prices https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/analysisus-airlines-no-longer-hedge-fuel-costs-that-could-hurt-margins-if-iran-conflict-lingers-4546356 https://aviationnews-online.com/public/index.php/article/fuel-hedging-no-longer-a-sectorwide-shock-absorber-amid-ongoing-middle-east-conflict-says-kbra I know some airlines supposedly stopped hedging fuel in 2025. Doesn't change the fact that fuel hedging was/is a thing and was commonplace. Meaning it was a much larger concern and something airlines accounted for to a high degree as opposed to global pandemic, which was the the convo I think between Jerry and Saints. Jerry or someone may have even mentioned that as a smaller airline, Spirit may never have used the practice itself. Quote
TimHauck Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said: you could just say war instead of cheekily saying voluntary war . He's calling you out because you're being your usual obnoxious self about it, not because of semantics. What’s obnoxious about stating a fact? “All wars are voluntary” is such a garbage take lol. It’s worth pointing out that this one was voluntary since MAGA likes to blame Biden for oil prices because Russia attacked Ukraine, yet somehow Trump is absolved of blame for attacking Iran. Quote
easilyscan Posted May 4 Posted May 4 https://babylonbee.com/news/elizabeth-warren-proudly-displays-scalp-of-spirit-airlines Quote
jerryskids Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: I’m seeing multiple articles saying US airlines largely no longer hedged against oil prices https://www.investing.com/news/stock-market-news/analysisus-airlines-no-longer-hedge-fuel-costs-that-could-hurt-margins-if-iran-conflict-lingers-4546356 https://aviationnews-online.com/public/index.php/article/fuel-hedging-no-longer-a-sectorwide-shock-absorber-amid-ongoing-middle-east-conflict-says-kbra I said in my first post about hedging that perhaps airlines don't all do it anymore. Regardless, the lack of hedging is why Spirit finally went under. Interestingly, Emirates, the largest airline in the middle east, does fuel hedging, and they are in OPEC land. Quote Yes, Emirates engages in fuel hedging, although its strategy has historically fluctuated between active hedging and operating unhedged based on market conditions. As of their 2023-24 and 2024-25 financial results, the airline actively employs hedging, including the use of simple forwards and options on Brent crude and jet fuel to manage fuel price volatility. 1 Quote
WhiteWonder Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: What’s obnoxious about stating a fact? “All wars are voluntary” is such a garbage take lol. It’s worth pointing out that this one was voluntary since MAGA likes to blame Biden for oil prices because Russia attacked Ukraine, yet somehow Trump is absolved of blame for attacking Iran. it's obnoxious because it's just war. You're the only person calling it voluntary war, to drive home your feelings about it. Did MAGA do that? If so, that is dumb. I do, however, remember liberals explaining away inflation and rising gas prices during the Biden amin on the war in Ukraine Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 6 minutes ago, TimHauck said: fuel-hedging-once-kept-airline-prices-down-now-passengers-bear-the-brunt Why do I have a feeling this URL says it all. Quote
TimHauck Posted May 4 Posted May 4 3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said: it's obnoxious because it's just war. You're the only person calling it voluntary war, to drive home your feelings about it. Did MAGA do that? If so, that is dumb. I do, however, remember liberals explaining away inflation and rising gas prices during the Biden amin on the war in Ukraine Yes, lots of Biden “I did that” stickers on gas pumps. And yes, wars often raise gas prices. The difference is that we didn’t start the war with Russia and Ukraine, but we did start the war with Iran. Quote
jerryskids Posted May 4 Posted May 4 6 minutes ago, TimHauck said: What’s obnoxious about stating a fact? “All wars are voluntary” is such a garbage take lol. It’s worth pointing out that this one was voluntary since MAGA likes to blame Biden for oil prices because Russia attacked Ukraine, yet somehow Trump is absolved of blame for attacking Iran. It's an irrelevant and nondescript fact. If you want a better word and yet be closer to your moderate self, you could call it "proactive" for instance. "Voluntary" reeks of being a snarky Leftie hack, which we know you aren't, Moderate Tim. 1 Quote
TimHauck Posted May 4 Posted May 4 Just now, jerryskids said: It's an irrelevant and nondescript fact. If you want a better word and yet be closer to your moderate self, you could call it "proactive" for instance. "Voluntary" reeks of being a snarky Leftie hack, which we know you aren't, Moderate Tim. “Voluntary” reeks of snark? Ok snowflake Quote
jerryskids Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: “Voluntary” reeks of snark? Ok snowflake We're laughing at you, not with you, Tim. It's funny watching you take a silly position and then dig your heels in deeper and deeper. You could just stop posting now, but you won't. Can't, possibly. 1 Quote
TimHauck Posted May 4 Posted May 4 3 minutes ago, jerryskids said: We're laughing at you, not with you, Tim. It's funny watching you take a silly position and then dig your heels in deeper and deeper. You could just stop posting now, but you won't. Can't, possibly. It’s driving home the point that we started the war. The rise in gas prices is a direct result of the war with Iran. Trump started the war with Iran. Thus, the increase in gas prices are directly Trump’s fault. This isn’t rocket science. You should be glad I’m not blaming Israel. 1 Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 4 Posted May 4 1 minute ago, TimHauck said: It’s driving home the point that we started the war. The rise in gas prices is a direct result of the war with Iran. Trump started the war with Iran. Thus, the increase in gas prices are directly Trump’s fault. This isn’t rocket science. You should be glad I’m not blaming Israel. Simply being a terrorist country is starting any war that comes their way. So fock off with that BS. Quote
jerryskids Posted May 4 Posted May 4 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: It’s driving home the point that we started the war. The rise in gas prices is a direct result of the war with Iran. Trump started the war with Iran. Thus, the increase in gas prices are directly Trump’s fault. This isn’t rocket science. You should be glad I’m not blaming Israel. If you are looking for the most direct cause and effect Moderate Tim, Iran's behavior in Strait of Hormuz is the cause of the rise in gas prices. 1 Quote
dogcows Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: If you are looking for the most direct cause and effect Moderate Tim, Iran's behavior in Strait of Hormuz is the cause of the rise in gas prices. And the most direct cause of that was….? Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, TimHauck said: Not really. If someone attacks you I wouldn’t call that a voluntary war. Who do we attack after the Beirut bombing in 1983 where we lost 241 sailors and Marines? Quote
TimHauck Posted May 5 Posted May 5 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Who do we attack after the Beirut bombing in 1983 where we lost 241 sailors and Marines? I‘d go after the guy who burned the trailer of bibles 1 Quote
jerryskids Posted May 5 Posted May 5 12 minutes ago, dogcows said: And the most direct cause of that was….? ... Iran's leadership instructing it's military to deploy mines and launch drones? 1 Quote
WhiteWonder Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: It's an irrelevant and nondescript fact. If you want a better word and yet be closer to your moderate self, you could call it "proactive" for instance. "Voluntary" reeks of being a snarky Leftie hack, which we know you aren't, Moderate Tim. . Owned Quote
TimHauck Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 minute ago, WhiteWonder said: . Owned Owned because he says I should use “proactive” instead of “voluntary”? Umm ok Quote
Voltaire Posted May 5 Posted May 5 They can probably use AI to replicate what the 80 physics geniuses figured out at Los Alamos using 1940s technology. It's only denying them the ability to build reactors that will prevent them (or anyone else) from getting a bomb at this point. Quote
dogcows Posted May 5 Posted May 5 1 hour ago, jerryskids said: ... Iran's leadership instructing its military to deploy mines and launch drones? Ok so no attempt at a serious discussion today. Then again, it’s the GC so why would I ever expect it? Quote
jerryskids Posted May 5 Posted May 5 11 minutes ago, dogcows said: Ok so no attempt at a serious discussion today. Then again, it’s the GC so why would I ever expect it? Apparently you consider "serious discussion" to mean we go back far enough in the cause/effect chain to get to the answer you want, but then we can't go past that answer. Seems quite serious. 1 Quote
dogcows Posted May 5 Posted May 5 Just now, jerryskids said: Apparently you consider "serious discussion" to mean we go back far enough in the cause/effect chain to get to the answer you want, but then we can't go past that answer. Seems quite serious. Trump bombs, Iran retaliates. It’s not difficult unless you’re being a pedantic tw4t. 1 Quote
jerryskids Posted May 5 Posted May 5 9 minutes ago, dogcows said: Trump bombs, Iran retaliates. It’s not difficult unless you’re being a pedantic tw4t. And before that, there was Iran developing nukes, Iran funding terror groups in the Middle East, Iran threatening and attempting to use terror cells, proxies, and agents within the US. 1 Quote
dogcows Posted May 5 Posted May 5 32 minutes ago, jerryskids said: And before that, there was Iran developing nukes, Iran funding terror groups in the Middle East, Iran threatening and attempting to use terror cells, proxies, and agents within the US. Yep. Will any of that stop because of this war? Yet to be seen… Quote
TimHauck Posted May 5 Posted May 5 8 hours ago, jerryskids said: And before that, there was Iran developing nukes, Iran funding terror groups in the Middle East, Iran threatening and attempting to use terror cells, proxies, and agents within the US. Well there was also the agreement Obama made with Iran that they were largely following until Trump withdrew from it 1 Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 5 Posted May 5 22 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Well there was also the agreement Obama made with Iran that they were largely following until Trump withdrew from it I would love to hear you tell us, in your own words without looking it up, what was in that agreement? What did we give them and what did they agree to do or not do? Go! Quote
TimHauck Posted May 5 Posted May 5 11 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I would love to hear you tell us, in your own words without looking it up, what was in that agreement? What did we give them and what did they agree to do or not do? Go! We agreed to fall for fake stories about trailers of bibles being burned Quote
seafoam1 Posted May 5 Posted May 5 2 minutes ago, TimHauck said: We agreed to fall for fake stories about trailers of bibles being burned Typical liberal. Get's called out for his BS and has to try to make a funny that flops bigger than what Biden did on a daily basis. Quote
jerryskids Posted May 5 Posted May 5 3 hours ago, TimHauck said: Well there was also the agreement Obama made with Iran that they were largely following until Trump withdrew from it Largely following. Is that like "mostly peaceful"? 1 Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 5 Posted May 5 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I would love to hear you tell us, in your own words without looking it up, what was in that agreement? What did we give them and what did they agree to do or not do? Go! Damn. Hack can’t do it. lol. Quote
TimHauck Posted May 5 Posted May 5 42 minutes ago, jerryskids said: Largely following. Is that like "mostly peaceful"? Sure. But we didn’t drop bombs on the 2020 rioters. edit: in b4 peefoam says “we should have!” Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted May 5 Posted May 5 14 minutes ago, TimHauck said: Sure. But we didn’t drop bombs on the 2020 rioters. edit: in b4 peefoam says “we should have!” No one was wondering what Seafoam would say except you. Quote
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