I Want More Politicians Like AOC

[Reality]

Good Lord. 

You people spend way too much time responding to focking retards.

AOC only exists because of retards like the op.

[jerryskids]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

A LOT of them in China. They are the ones benefitting from Amazon, not Americans.

A lot are.  Many aren't.  And either way, the American consumer benefits greatly.

Today I had a dentist appointment, and the hygienist suggested a mouthwash from a company called Closys which is for sensitive gums.  Found it on Amazon, $12, arriving tomorrow.

I looked up the company for grins:

Quote

CloSYS oral care products are proudly made in the USA. 

• Headquarters: Bridgewater, New Jersey
• Corporate Origins: Originally developed in Scottsdale, Arizona 
  Amazon.com +3

So, American made, and as a bonus, developed in my home town-ish.

30 years ago, would Closys even exist?  Would my hygienist have known about it?  Would the local Harold's Pharmacy have it in stock? (I grew up near a Harold's Pharmacy).

It's very lazy and simplistic to see Amazon as just the big bad company because brick and mortar mom and pop stores have struggled.

[Caine Mutiny]

27 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A lot are.  Many aren't.  And either way, the American consumer benefits greatly.

Today I had a dentist appointment, and the hygienist suggested a mouthwash from a company called Closys which is for sensitive gums.  Found it on Amazon, $12, arriving tomorrow.

I looked up the company for grins:

So, American made, and as a bonus, developed in my home town-ish.

30 years ago, would Closys even exist?  Would my hygienist have known about it?  Would the local Harold's Pharmacy have it in stock? (I grew up near a Harold's Pharmacy).

It's very lazy and simplistic to see Amazon as just the big bad company because brick and mortar mom and pop stores have struggled.

Your argument here is 100% correct. 
 

But you can’t make it in a vacuum. AOC is completely wrong about Amazon, but I’d be forced to vote for her over any Republican these days because she is so right about the vast majority of issues. 

[dogcows]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

A lot are.  Many aren't.  And either way, the American consumer benefits greatly.

Today I had a dentist appointment, and the hygienist suggested a mouthwash from a company called Closys which is for sensitive gums.  Found it on Amazon, $12, arriving tomorrow.

I looked up the company for grins:

So, American made, and as a bonus, developed in my home town-ish.

30 years ago, would Closys even exist?  Would my hygienist have known about it?  Would the local Harold's Pharmacy have it in stock? (I grew up near a Harold's Pharmacy).

It's very lazy and simplistic to see Amazon as just the big bad company because brick and mortar mom and pop stores have struggled.

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

[jerryskids]

35 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

Hey, I'm just trying to show you that your view is simplistic and lazy.

But feel free to cheer on Mamdani in his battle with Amazon.  If you are lucky, Amazon will leave NYC, and we can watch all of the new products emerge there for less money and shipping costs.   

[listen2me 23]

11 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

AOC, who claims women are oppressed, dresses in a hijab. This is the hero of the left. The board trannies love it.

 

You cant make it up.

[Maximum Overkill]

@dogcows @Caine Mutiny

You defend her, but by wearing that on her head in the company of Islamic Men is a slap in the face to Women's rights. 

I've seen first hand how they treat Women and it's disgusting. 

Please explain why you're not upset? 

[Engorgeous George]

On 5/14/2026 at 7:23 AM, dogcows said:

Billionaires CREATE jobs? You invoked Amazon, so let’s go there. How many local stores went out of business due to Amazon? Business owners and the decent jobs they created… Now replaced by low-paying warehouse jobs. Amazing to see an otherwise intelligent person snowed by the story that destroying jobs and replacing them with worse jobs is somehow “creating” jobs.

Curious about the jobs thing.  Say Mom and Pop had a local dry goods and candy store.  The jobs they would have provided would be stocking the shelves and cashier.  Amazon comes in and wipes them out.  The same products are now sold from Amazon's warehouse.  The jobs there are packing and labeling, stocking shelves, and servicing the automated equipment and delivery drivers.  Now clearly there would be less employees, jobs would be lost to efficiencies of scale, I get that.  What I don't get is the claim that the jobs created are lesser jobs.  They seem more or less equivalent, your basic unskilled labor.  Also, nostalgia for Mom and Pop is, essentially, nostalgia for inefficiency.  I get it, I liked Mom and Pop, Mom in particular.  Of course lots of folks loved the local blacksmith back in the day but we moved ahead to industrial manufacturing. 

 

I am actually old enough to remember a blacksmith.  His shop was in the commercial center of our town which was an entire block and a half long with a grocer, a hardware and grain store, a post office, a drugstore/soda fountain, and a dentist office.  At the end of that block was the blacksmith's shop.  We kids would stop on the way home from school (we walked in those days) and watch him repair stuff.  When he retired some historical society moved his shop lock, stock and barrel to one of those reenactment villages as it was the last balcksmith's shop in the State, or so they said.

[Engorgeous George]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

You don't want Fop.  You're a Daper Dan Man.

[Maximum Overkill]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

You defend her, but by wearing that on her head in the company of Islamic Men is a slap in the face to Women's rights. 

I've seen first hand how they treat Women and it's disgusting. 

Please explain why you're not upset? 

[WhiteWonder]

On 5/14/2026 at 9:23 AM, dogcows said:

Billionaires CREATE jobs? You invoked Amazon, so let’s go there. How many local stores went out of business due to Amazon? Business owners and the decent jobs they created… Now replaced by low-paying warehouse jobs. Amazing to see an otherwise intelligent person snowed by the story that destroying jobs and replacing them with worse jobs is somehow “creating” jobs.

 

Local mom and pop stores going out of business has been an issue since the rise of malls. Ironically, Amazon and ecommerce in general his significantly hurt malls. 

But lets pretend the issue started with Amazon. How many people did a local mom and pop, brick and mortar employ? What jobs were they doing and at what wage? ... George dives into this below... Even where he comments that there would be less employees, I disagree. Mostly because you're not factoring in corporate jobs, both here and overseas, that local mom and pops obviously don't create. Those small businesses are/were not offering 401k's, good health benefits, more PTO, etc and they certainly did not have entire accounting departments, HR, marketing, IT, risk, compliance etc etc etc. 

5 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Curious about the jobs thing.  Say Mom and Pop had a local dry goods and candy store.  The jobs they would have provided would be stocking the shelves and cashier.  Amazon comes in and wipes them out.  The same products are now sold from their warehouse.  The jobs there are packing and labeling and stocking shelves and servicing the automated equipment and delivery drivers.  Now clearly there would be less employees, jobs would be lost to efficiencies of scale, I get that.  What I don't get is the claim that the jobs created are lesser jobs.  They seem more or less equivilent, your basic unskilled labor.  Also, nostolgia for Mom and Pop is, essentially, nostolgia for inefficiency.  I get it, I liked Mom and Pop, Mom in particular.  Of course lots of folks loved the local balcksmith back in the day but we moved ahead to industrial manufacturing. 

 

I am actually old enugh to remember a blacksmith.  His shop was in the commercial center of our town which was an entire block and a half long with a grocer, a hardware and grain store, a post office, a drugstore/soda fountain, and a dentist office.  At the end of that block was the blacksmith's shop.  We kids would stop on the way home from school (we walked in those days) and watch him repair stuff.  When he retired some historical society moved his shop lock, stock and barrel to one of those reenactment villages as it was the last balcksmith's shop in the State, or so they said.

 

[listen2me 23]

Another Lib hierarchy revealed.  

Sorry women.  We only care about your rights and your dignity when a white Christian is involved.   But you girls arent above Islam.  Do as they say and stand behind them.  Let us know when a white dude calls you fat though.  We still want to know about that stuff.  

[dogcows]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

Local mom and pop stores going out of business has been an issue since the rise of malls. Ironically, Amazon and ecommerce in general his significantly hurt malls. 

But lets pretend the issue started with Amazon. How many people did a local mom and pop, brick and mortar employ? What jobs were they doing and at what wage? ... George dives into this below... Even where he comments that there would be less employees, I disagree. Mostly because you're not factoring in corporate jobs, both here and overseas, that local mom and pops obviously don't create. Those small businesses are/were not offering 401k's, good health benefits, more PTO, etc and they certainly did not have entire accounting departments, HR, marketing, IT, risk, compliance etc etc etc. 

 

I totally get this argument. And I suppose nostalgia plays a part in my opinion.

I also don’t think Amazon is that special. IMO they are the next step after the “big box” stores like Wal-Mart and Target.

As for benefits? I don’t think the average warehouse worker at Amazon gets them. The turnover rate for those jobs is more than 100% per year. (meaning more workers leave their jobs in a year than the total number of jobs themselves). What Amazon says the jobs are compared to what workers actually report is a big difference. In addition, the pay is low enough that 1/4 of their workers qualify for food stamps. I don’t think most people stocking shelves at corner stores were worked so hard that they had to pee in a water bottle and burned out in less than a year.

As for the corporate jobs, I don’t think more have been added. The system used to be big wholesale companies (with the advantages you listed above) supplying local stores. Amazon has essentially replaced the retailers and many wholesalers have only one store they sell to now: Amazon. Which has resulted in consolidation among wholesalers as well.

So, perhaps this is just the way things go with capitalism. But even though Amazon has created jobs, they have killed at least an equal amount, if not more.

[dogcows]

7 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You defend her, but by wearing that on her head in the company of Islamic Men is a slap in the face to Women's rights

How to tell the world you know nothing about Islam or Women’s rights in a single sentence.  

[WhiteWonder]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I totally get this argument. And I suppose nostalgia plays a part in my opinion.

I also don’t think Amazon is that special. IMO they are the next step after the “big box” stores like Wal-Mart and Target.

As for benefits? I don’t think the average warehouse worker at Amazon gets them. The turnover rate for those jobs is more than 100% per year. (meaning more workers leave their jobs in a year than the total number of jobs themselves). What Amazon says the jobs are compared to what workers actually report is a big difference. In addition, the pay is low enough that 1/4 of their workers qualify for food stamps. I don’t think most people stocking shelves at corner stores were worked so hard that they had to pee in a water bottle and burned out in less than a year.

As for the corporate jobs, I don’t think more have been added. The system used to be big wholesale companies (with the advantages you listed above) supplying local stores. Amazon has essentially replaced the retailers and many wholesalers have only one store they sell to now: Amazon. Which has resulted in consolidation among wholesalers as well.

So, perhaps this is just the way things go with capitalism. But even though Amazon has created jobs, they have killed at least an equal amount, if not more.

i was specifically talking about the benefits given to corporate employees.  I have a friend who lives in barcelona who left her airline job to work for amazon corporate in BCN.  I'm not sure if Amazon has really replaced wholesalers as plenty of people who have the knowledge are sellers on amazon buying up product from other places like TJ Maxx, Marshalls etc and listing the product for more on Amazon. Does this have it's own drawbacks? yes, but wholesalers are still supplying all of those products. 

I'd be interested to see what the job creation is at the amazon global corporate level compared to job loss at the corporate level of wholesalers. Not saying for sure one way or the other but the main point was that when discussing the impact on mom and pop stores, you totally left out corporate job creation. Every 10ish? employees who lose their jobs when a mom and pop store closes because of big bad Amazon, how many jobs have been created in an Amazon Warehouse or at the corporate level? 

you were on about independently owned stores and now are trying to include wholesalers into the equation. 

[dogcows]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

you were on about independently owned stores and now are trying to include wholesalers into the equation. 

Sorry, I was trying to get into the topic of corporate jobs created or lost. By reducing the number of wholesalers, Amazon may have removed as many corporate jobs as it created. Not to mention the mid-sized retail chains like Barnes and Noble. But it is possible that they created more corporate jobs than they reduced; not sure how to find that data.

[seafoam1]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Sorry.

Dogcraps...

[Maximum Overkill]

4 hours ago, dogcows said:

you know nothing about Islam

I spent  years in Afghanistan. I've seen Muslim atrocities with my own eyes. 

But since I know nothing about Islam, please be kind enough to get me up to speed. 

@dogcows

[Maximum Overkill]

The many accents of AOC 

 

 

[League Champion]

On 5/10/2026 at 11:12 AM, dogcows said:

it’s refreshing to have somebody who is interested in outcomes

 

[edjr]

 

[TheNewGirl]

On 5/28/2026 at 2:13 PM, dogcows said:

Sorry, I was trying to get into the topic of corporate jobs created or lost. By reducing the number of wholesalers, Amazon may have removed as many corporate jobs as it created. Not to mention the mid-sized retail chains like Barnes and Noble. But it is possible that they created more corporate jobs than they reduced; not sure how to find that data.

The one thing no one has mentioned here, or at least what I read was the convenience that amazon offers. 

During Covid, Amazon functioned better than our own government for a reason. Convenience. Quick. Affordable options. Many suppliers. And those workers were "essential." In some cases, more essential than doctors and nurses that were fired for not getting "the jab." 

Over the years, amazon went from around 33k jobs to over 1.5 million. They do create local jobs where they have warehouses, but yeah that can cause other local jobs to be defunct or no longer needed. 

If you're going to move to a society that offers more convenient options when it comes to goods, foods, or services, then that's naturally what's going to happen. Other retailers went to online options, too...Target, Walmart, etc. Simply because of work/life balance, and ordering something online is what people have time for, because it's just EASY. 

Not saying amazon is a great company and they've done great and wonderful things, but I just don't think they are the big bad guy everyone talks about either. 

[edjr]

3 minutes ago, TheNewGirl said:

The one thing no one has mentioned here, or at least what I read was the convenience that amazon offers. 

During Covid, Amazon functioned better than our own government for a reason. Convenience. Quick. Affordable options. Many suppliers. And those workers were "essential." In some cases, more essential than doctors and nurses that were fired for not getting "the jab." 

Over the years, amazon went from around 33k jobs to over 1.5 million. They do create local jobs where they have warehouses, but yeah that can cause other local jobs to be defunct or no longer needed. 

If you're going to move to a society that offers more convenient options when it comes to goods, foods, or services, then that's naturally what's going to happen. Other retailers went to online options, too...Target, Walmart, etc. Simply because of work/life balance, and ordering something online is what people have time for, because it's just EASY. 

Not saying amazon is a great company and they've done great and wonderful things, but I just don't think they are the big bad guy everyone talks about either. 

jealousy 

[dogcows]

2 hours ago, TheNewGirl said:

The one thing no one has mentioned here, or at least what I read was the convenience that amazon offers. 

During Covid, Amazon functioned better than our own government for a reason. Convenience. Quick. Affordable options. Many suppliers. And those workers were "essential." In some cases, more essential than doctors and nurses that were fired for not getting "the jab." 

Over the years, amazon went from around 33k jobs to over 1.5 million. They do create local jobs where they have warehouses, but yeah that can cause other local jobs to be defunct or no longer needed. 

If you're going to move to a society that offers more convenient options when it comes to goods, foods, or services, then that's naturally what's going to happen. Other retailers went to online options, too...Target, Walmart, etc. Simply because of work/life balance, and ordering something online is what people have time for, because it's just EASY. 

Not saying amazon is a great company and they've done great and wonderful things, but I just don't think they are the big bad guy everyone talks about either. 

I know Amazon experimented with drone delivery. Maybe that was a turn-off to people, but if another company fully embraces that… might be the next level of convenience.

That being said, I prefer to go to the store for most things. But I’m over the hill now, so …

[edjr]

1 hour ago, dogcows said:

I know Amazon experimented with drone delivery. Maybe that was a turn-off to people, but if another company fully embraces that… might be the next level of convenience.

That being said, I prefer to go to the store for most things. But I’m over the hill now, so …

Does anywhere sell a Lombardi Trophy or Stanley Cup? Buying one is your teams only chance.

[League Champion]

Very much AOC kinda vibes 

 

 

[HellToupee]

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

2 hours ago, HellToupee said:

 

They want more politicians that were chosen via audition. Not because they would be good at voting for the people, the purpose of the government, but because she would be a good actor. Sounds like this sums up the entire democrat party and every single thing they stand for.

[Tree of Knowledge]

Well. Well.  Well

 

 

 

[dogcows]

On 6/30/2026 at 12:34 PM, Frozenbeernuts said:

They want more politicians that were chosen via audition. Not because they would be good at voting for the people, the purpose of the government, but because she would be a good actor. Sounds like this sums up the entire democrat party and every single thing they stand for.

Republicans literally picked a Hollywood actor and a reality tv star for 2 terms each as President.

[Caine Mutiny]

16 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

Well. Well.  Well

 

 

 

I don’t believe this at all but if it were true it would only make me think higher of her. Like Rob Lowe’s friend on the first season of The West Wing. 

[Tree of Knowledge]

19 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

I don’t believe this at all but if it were true it would only make me think higher of her. Like Rob Lowe’s friend on the first season of The West Wing. 

Of course it would.  You supported Kamala. 

[Mike Hunt]

On 6/1/2026 at 8:10 PM, Maximum Overkill said:

The many accents of AOC 

 

 

Cortez took speech lessons from Hillary.

[Frozenbeernuts]

52 minutes ago, dogcows said:

Republicans literally picked a Hollywood actor and a reality tv star for 2 terms each as President.

Did they hold a literal audition? LOL the fact that this is proven to be true, and this is your response, should give you a glimpse of why everything you people stand for these days is hated by the majority of Americans.

[Frozenbeernuts]

Do you prefer your politicians to be like Trump where they maintain their normal accent?

Or do you prefer for your candidate to change their accent like a fraud?

When I say the everything the left stands for is fake, I come with receipts.

 

[Engorgeous George]

4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Do you prefer your politicians to be like Trump where they maintain their normal accent?

Or do you prefer for your candidate to change their accent like a fraud?

When I say the everything the left stands for is fake, I come with receipts.

 

I thought this would never come up again after Mrs. Clinton's "I Feels No Ways Tired" speech.  

 

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer - I get that the phrasing was referencing the well known gospel song's Title, but the accent or the enunciation was  noticiable andf airly clearly pandering to the audience.

[dogcows]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Do you prefer your politicians to be like Trump where they maintain their normal accent?

Or do you prefer for your candidate to change their accent like a fraud?

When I say the everything the left stands for is fake, I come with receipts.

 

The man you’re comparing her to cheated with porn stars, committed sexual assault, was convicted of 34 felony counts of fraud, and has dragged our country into a war for no good reason. But you’re worried about her accent?

Surely this means our president never tried to use an accent for political points, right?

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

2 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The man you’re comparing her to cheated with porn stars, committed sexual assault, was convicted of 34 felony counts of fraud, and has dragged our country into a war for no good reason. But you’re worried about her accent?

Surely this means our president never tried to use an accent for political points, right?

 

How many times do I have to tell you weirdos, go butt Trump and of your own. Disgusting vermin.

[dogcows]

3 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

How many times do I have to tell you weirdos, go butt Trump and of your own. Disgusting vermin.

Did you even read your own post? Your first sentence compared her to Trump and claimed he only uses his normal accent. If you didn’t want the comparison, you shouldn’t have led with it.

[Engorgeous George]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

The man you’re comparing her to cheated with porn stars, committed sexual assault, was convicted of 34 felony counts of fraud, and has dragged our country into a war for no good reason. But you’re worried about her accent?

Surely this means our president never tried to use an accent for political points, right?

 

Were there multiple or plural porn stars?  I was only previously aware of the one, Stormy Daniels.  It is entirely possible I missed others.