I Want More Politicians Like AOC

[Reality]

Good Lord. 

You people spend way too much time responding to focking retards.

AOC only exists because of retards like the op.

[jerryskids]

5 minutes ago, dogcows said:

A LOT of them in China. They are the ones benefitting from Amazon, not Americans.

A lot are.  Many aren't.  And either way, the American consumer benefits greatly.

Today I had a dentist appointment, and the hygienist suggested a mouthwash from a company called Closys which is for sensitive gums.  Found it on Amazon, $12, arriving tomorrow.

I looked up the company for grins:

Quote

CloSYS oral care products are proudly made in the USA. 

• Headquarters: Bridgewater, New Jersey
• Corporate Origins: Originally developed in Scottsdale, Arizona 
  Amazon.com +3

So, American made, and as a bonus, developed in my home town-ish.

30 years ago, would Closys even exist?  Would my hygienist have known about it?  Would the local Harold's Pharmacy have it in stock? (I grew up near a Harold's Pharmacy).

It's very lazy and simplistic to see Amazon as just the big bad company because brick and mortar mom and pop stores have struggled.

[Caine Mutiny]

27 minutes ago, jerryskids said:

A lot are.  Many aren't.  And either way, the American consumer benefits greatly.

Today I had a dentist appointment, and the hygienist suggested a mouthwash from a company called Closys which is for sensitive gums.  Found it on Amazon, $12, arriving tomorrow.

I looked up the company for grins:

So, American made, and as a bonus, developed in my home town-ish.

30 years ago, would Closys even exist?  Would my hygienist have known about it?  Would the local Harold's Pharmacy have it in stock? (I grew up near a Harold's Pharmacy).

It's very lazy and simplistic to see Amazon as just the big bad company because brick and mortar mom and pop stores have struggled.

Your argument here is 100% correct. 
 

But you can’t make it in a vacuum. AOC is completely wrong about Amazon, but I’d be forced to vote for her over any Republican these days because she is so right about the vast majority of issues. 

[dogcows]

1 hour ago, jerryskids said:

A lot are.  Many aren't.  And either way, the American consumer benefits greatly.

Today I had a dentist appointment, and the hygienist suggested a mouthwash from a company called Closys which is for sensitive gums.  Found it on Amazon, $12, arriving tomorrow.

I looked up the company for grins:

So, American made, and as a bonus, developed in my home town-ish.

30 years ago, would Closys even exist?  Would my hygienist have known about it?  Would the local Harold's Pharmacy have it in stock? (I grew up near a Harold's Pharmacy).

It's very lazy and simplistic to see Amazon as just the big bad company because brick and mortar mom and pop stores have struggled.

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

[jerryskids]

35 minutes ago, dogcows said:

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

Hey, I'm just trying to show you that your view is simplistic and lazy.

But feel free to cheer on Mamdani in his battle with Amazon.  If you are lucky, Amazon will leave NYC, and we can watch all of the new products emerge there for less money and shipping costs.   

[listen2me 23]

11 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

AOC, who claims women are oppressed, dresses in a hijab. This is the hero of the left. The board trannies love it.

 

You cant make it up.

[Maximum Overkill]

@dogcows @Caine Mutiny

You defend her, but by wearing that on her head in the company of Islamic Men is a slap in the face to Women's rights. 

I've seen first hand how they treat Women and it's disgusting. 

Please explain why you're not upset? 

[Engorgeous George]

On 5/14/2026 at 7:23 AM, dogcows said:

Billionaires CREATE jobs? You invoked Amazon, so let’s go there. How many local stores went out of business due to Amazon? Business owners and the decent jobs they created… Now replaced by low-paying warehouse jobs. Amazing to see an otherwise intelligent person snowed by the story that destroying jobs and replacing them with worse jobs is somehow “creating” jobs.

Curious about the jobs thing.  Say Mom and Pop had a local dry goods and candy store.  The jobs they would have provided would be stocking the shelves and cashier.  Amazon comes in and wipes them out.  The same products are now sold from Amazon's warehouse.  The jobs there are packing and labeling, stocking shelves, and servicing the automated equipment and delivery drivers.  Now clearly there would be less employees, jobs would be lost to efficiencies of scale, I get that.  What I don't get is the claim that the jobs created are lesser jobs.  They seem more or less equivalent, your basic unskilled labor.  Also, nostalgia for Mom and Pop is, essentially, nostalgia for inefficiency.  I get it, I liked Mom and Pop, Mom in particular.  Of course lots of folks loved the local blacksmith back in the day but we moved ahead to industrial manufacturing. 

 

I am actually old enough to remember a blacksmith.  His shop was in the commercial center of our town which was an entire block and a half long with a grocer, a hardware and grain store, a post office, a drugstore/soda fountain, and a dentist office.  At the end of that block was the blacksmith's shop.  We kids would stop on the way home from school (we walked in those days) and watch him repair stuff.  When he retired some historical society moved his shop lock, stock and barrel to one of those reenactment villages as it was the last balcksmith's shop in the State, or so they said.

[Engorgeous George]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

You don't want Fop.  You're a Daper Dan Man.

[Maximum Overkill]

10 hours ago, dogcows said:

You’ve been badly duped if you think Amazon made this happen.

Niche items have been shipped ever since the days of paper catalogs. Amazon simply burned through VC to sell at a loss for years until they knocked a lot of competitors out of business.

Monopolization 101. It’s why so much that used to be really cheap on Amazon isn’t cheap anymore.

Thinking that Amazon made globalization happen? Now THAT is lazy and simplistic.

You defend her, but by wearing that on her head in the company of Islamic Men is a slap in the face to Women's rights. 

I've seen first hand how they treat Women and it's disgusting. 

Please explain why you're not upset? 

[WhiteWonder]

On 5/14/2026 at 9:23 AM, dogcows said:

Billionaires CREATE jobs? You invoked Amazon, so let’s go there. How many local stores went out of business due to Amazon? Business owners and the decent jobs they created… Now replaced by low-paying warehouse jobs. Amazing to see an otherwise intelligent person snowed by the story that destroying jobs and replacing them with worse jobs is somehow “creating” jobs.

 

Local mom and pop stores going out of business has been an issue since the rise of malls. Ironically, Amazon and ecommerce in general his significantly hurt malls. 

But lets pretend the issue started with Amazon. How many people did a local mom and pop, brick and mortar employ? What jobs were they doing and at what wage? ... George dives into this below... Even where he comments that there would be less employees, I disagree. Mostly because you're not factoring in corporate jobs, both here and overseas, that local mom and pops obviously don't create. Those small businesses are/were not offering 401k's, good health benefits, more PTO, etc and they certainly did not have entire accounting departments, HR, marketing, IT, risk, compliance etc etc etc. 

5 hours ago, Engorgeous George said:

Curious about the jobs thing.  Say Mom and Pop had a local dry goods and candy store.  The jobs they would have provided would be stocking the shelves and cashier.  Amazon comes in and wipes them out.  The same products are now sold from their warehouse.  The jobs there are packing and labeling and stocking shelves and servicing the automated equipment and delivery drivers.  Now clearly there would be less employees, jobs would be lost to efficiencies of scale, I get that.  What I don't get is the claim that the jobs created are lesser jobs.  They seem more or less equivilent, your basic unskilled labor.  Also, nostolgia for Mom and Pop is, essentially, nostolgia for inefficiency.  I get it, I liked Mom and Pop, Mom in particular.  Of course lots of folks loved the local balcksmith back in the day but we moved ahead to industrial manufacturing. 

 

I am actually old enugh to remember a blacksmith.  His shop was in the commercial center of our town which was an entire block and a half long with a grocer, a hardware and grain store, a post office, a drugstore/soda fountain, and a dentist office.  At the end of that block was the blacksmith's shop.  We kids would stop on the way home from school (we walked in those days) and watch him repair stuff.  When he retired some historical society moved his shop lock, stock and barrel to one of those reenactment villages as it was the last balcksmith's shop in the State, or so they said.

 

[listen2me 23]

Another Lib hierarchy revealed.  

Sorry women.  We only care about your rights and your dignity when a white Christian is involved.   But you girls arent above Islam.  Do as they say and stand behind them.  Let us know when a white dude calls you fat though.  We still want to know about that stuff.  

[dogcows]

1 hour ago, WhiteWonder said:

 

Local mom and pop stores going out of business has been an issue since the rise of malls. Ironically, Amazon and ecommerce in general his significantly hurt malls. 

But lets pretend the issue started with Amazon. How many people did a local mom and pop, brick and mortar employ? What jobs were they doing and at what wage? ... George dives into this below... Even where he comments that there would be less employees, I disagree. Mostly because you're not factoring in corporate jobs, both here and overseas, that local mom and pops obviously don't create. Those small businesses are/were not offering 401k's, good health benefits, more PTO, etc and they certainly did not have entire accounting departments, HR, marketing, IT, risk, compliance etc etc etc. 

 

I totally get this argument. And I suppose nostalgia plays a part in my opinion.

I also don’t think Amazon is that special. IMO they are the next step after the “big box” stores like Wal-Mart and Target.

As for benefits? I don’t think the average warehouse worker at Amazon gets them. The turnover rate for those jobs is more than 100% per year. (meaning more workers leave their jobs in a year than the total number of jobs themselves). What Amazon says the jobs are compared to what workers actually report is a big difference. In addition, the pay is low enough that 1/4 of their workers qualify for food stamps. I don’t think most people stocking shelves at corner stores were worked so hard that they had to pee in a water bottle and burned out in less than a year.

As for the corporate jobs, I don’t think more have been added. The system used to be big wholesale companies (with the advantages you listed above) supplying local stores. Amazon has essentially replaced the retailers and many wholesalers have only one store they sell to now: Amazon. Which has resulted in consolidation among wholesalers as well.

So, perhaps this is just the way things go with capitalism. But even though Amazon has created jobs, they have killed at least an equal amount, if not more.

[dogcows]

7 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

You defend her, but by wearing that on her head in the company of Islamic Men is a slap in the face to Women's rights

How to tell the world you know nothing about Islam or Women’s rights in a single sentence.  

[WhiteWonder]

11 minutes ago, dogcows said:

I totally get this argument. And I suppose nostalgia plays a part in my opinion.

I also don’t think Amazon is that special. IMO they are the next step after the “big box” stores like Wal-Mart and Target.

As for benefits? I don’t think the average warehouse worker at Amazon gets them. The turnover rate for those jobs is more than 100% per year. (meaning more workers leave their jobs in a year than the total number of jobs themselves). What Amazon says the jobs are compared to what workers actually report is a big difference. In addition, the pay is low enough that 1/4 of their workers qualify for food stamps. I don’t think most people stocking shelves at corner stores were worked so hard that they had to pee in a water bottle and burned out in less than a year.

As for the corporate jobs, I don’t think more have been added. The system used to be big wholesale companies (with the advantages you listed above) supplying local stores. Amazon has essentially replaced the retailers and many wholesalers have only one store they sell to now: Amazon. Which has resulted in consolidation among wholesalers as well.

So, perhaps this is just the way things go with capitalism. But even though Amazon has created jobs, they have killed at least an equal amount, if not more.

i was specifically talking about the benefits given to corporate employees.  I have a friend who lives in barcelona who left her airline job to work for amazon corporate in BCN.  I'm not sure if Amazon has really replaced wholesalers as plenty of people who have the knowledge are sellers on amazon buying up product from other places like TJ Maxx, Marshalls etc and listing the product for more on Amazon. Does this have it's own drawbacks? yes, but wholesalers are still supplying all of those products. 

I'd be interested to see what the job creation is at the amazon global corporate level compared to job loss at the corporate level of wholesalers. Not saying for sure one way or the other but the main point was that when discussing the impact on mom and pop stores, you totally left out corporate job creation. Every 10ish? employees who lose their jobs when a mom and pop store closes because of big bad Amazon, how many jobs have been created in an Amazon Warehouse or at the corporate level? 

you were on about independently owned stores and now are trying to include wholesalers into the equation. 

[dogcows]

3 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

you were on about independently owned stores and now are trying to include wholesalers into the equation. 

Sorry, I was trying to get into the topic of corporate jobs created or lost. By reducing the number of wholesalers, Amazon may have removed as many corporate jobs as it created. Not to mention the mid-sized retail chains like Barnes and Noble. But it is possible that they created more corporate jobs than they reduced; not sure how to find that data.

[seafoam1]

3 hours ago, dogcows said:

Sorry.

Dogcraps...

[Maximum Overkill]

4 hours ago, dogcows said:

you know nothing about Islam

I spent  years in Afghanistan. I've seen Muslim atrocities with my own eyes. 

But since I know nothing about Islam, please be kind enough to get me up to speed. 

@dogcows

[Maximum Overkill]

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