Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Fireballer said: Do you have confirmed instances of police violence against people in the designated protest area? Yes. Feel free to google. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: Yes Delaney Hall is privately owned. You want proof? Fock off. Look it up yourself. So nothing. Everyone knows your BS. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Strike said: Please show your work. This is a private prison? My understanding is it's a DHS detention facility. And please show your work about the abuse of these prisoners. Until you show your work I will just assume you're making all this sh*t up as you usually do. Oh and yes beyond being privately owned, there is absolute evidence of abuse. Look it up yourself. Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: Yes Delaney Hall is privately owned. You want proof? Fock off. Look it up yourself. I did look it up. And we can discuss that if you'd like but I asked you to provide proof of the abuse you allege is happening in the facility. I'll let you address that as well before refuting your claims. Or, are you just making sh*t up again? Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: Oh and yes beyond being privately owned, there is absolute evidence of abuse. Look it up yourself. So you're just making sh*t up again. Got it. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 I’m sick of idiots who live in their own fantasy world rejecting whatever news they choose not to see. In the case of Delaney prison the truth is all over CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, etc. it’s probably not on Fox News. I’m not going to waste my time showing you guys. Do it yourself. 1 Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: I’m sick of idiots. Well, I don't think anyone wants you to kill yourself. Just stop being an idiot. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Strike said: So you're just making sh*t up again. Got it. You don’t get it. I don’t care about proving anything to you. Accept the truth or not, not my problem. For the last several years (perhaps longer) you have lied to yourself and to others. You promote and cheer for immoral and disastrous policies and politicians. Now we all have to reap the pain of what you’ve caused. And you still deny reality at every opportunity. You want to call me a liar? Go ahead. But you caused this sh!t and you’re making it worse. 1 Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: I’m sick of idiots who live in their own fantasy world rejecting whatever news they choose not to see. In the case of Delaney prison the truth is all over CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, etc. it’s probably not on Fox News. I’m not going to waste my time showing you guys. Do it yourself. No it's not. In fact, a congressional delegation visited the facility this weekend. They whined about medical care and food, without providing specifics, but did not allege any specific abuse. You're making sh*t up again. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 As per usual Timmy is full of sh1t. He is wholly unaware that these privately funded facilities are still subject to multiple reviews from multiple agencies each year when housing federal prisoners or detainees. ICE, DHS, and the GAO all inspect and review the goings on in the prisons. In addition congress is given ovdersight and they love to have their inspection tours. Further, Courts look into their operation at the behest of the attorneys of those detained or incarcerated. Review is constant. To the extent that there are shortcomings and or abuses those infrequent are corrected. See, the point of private prisons is to make money, and lawsuits and lost contracts due to bad publicity is no way to be profitable. Do prisoners and their paid mouth pieces allege mistreatment? Absolutely. Never has there been a prisoner who in their own mind is guilty and never has there been one who will not grose. Incredible, I know, to imagine, but prisoners will actually lie about their treatment to try to manipulate the system. Imagine, the guilty lying, but it does occur. Also, it is interesting to note that prisoners do not like being hosued with those like themselves. They find the experience tremendously adverse. Well so does society at large, and therefore their removal to prison. Timmy's hysteria, matching the unfounded and hysterical allegations of those not in the know and seeking to manipulate the narrative around such facilities for their own political ends is ill-informed to say the least and purposeful mendacity to call it plainly. Now I know Timmy thinks he is an expert in private prisons having read the headlines on a slanted, partisan article or two. Me, my knowledge of them comes from years of turning over detainees with federal detainers as a prosecutor. Also, as a police legal advisor I would routinely, every year, forge or update several MOU's with one such center covering everything from transport policies between our jail and their facility and response protocols for our Department's Officers if their was internal unrest or escape at the facility. I have literally spent 20 or 30 hours a year working out agreements with such a facility, often at the facility. As for TimTim's idiocy when it comes to the culpability of protestors, let's jsut say that again he is full of . Aiding and abetting those in the commission of a crime does make one jsut as guilty as the criminal themselves. when that aiding and abetting occurs during a riot or a decalred unlawful assembly, so much more. Now it has been 30 years since I handled such misdemeanor matters in Court as i long ago moved on to addressing felonies, but I have actually had the pleasure of trying more than one jury trial on such matters. I have wond and seen such persons sentenced to jail. One time the persons were two aged Nuns. My Irish catholic grandmother was rather upset with me for that one. Anyhow, my main point here is Pha que Timmy. 2 Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 BTW. My disection of Tim's idiocy does not mean there have never been abuses at these private facilities. The one I am familiar with has had medical care questions, exercise and isolation questions, and has had difficulty enabling resonable communication between detainees and their legal counsel. When those matters arose, they were corrected, but they did arise from time to time, just as they do at governemnt owned and operated facilities. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted June 1 Posted June 1 15 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Yes Delaney Hall is privately owned. You want proof? Fock off. Look it up yourself. Why didn’t Biden/ Harris close it down? Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 TimTim should stick to matters he knows about. I don't tell him how to engage illegals to perform menial work in dangerous and unsanitary conditions for less than minimum wage, and he should not lecture me about the criminal law, constitutional law, or any law whatsoever. 1 1 Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said: TimTim should stick to matters he knows about. I don't tell him how to engage illegals to perform menial work in dangerous and unsanitary conditions for less than minimum wage, and he should not lecture me about the criminal law, constitutional law, or any law whatsoever. If Tim only posted about matters he knows anything about he'd never post again. He can't even properly rank Tom Petty's 100 greatest songs. 1 Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: As per usual Timmy is full of sh1t. He is wholly unaware that these privately funded facilities are still subject to multiple reviews from multiple agencies each year when housing federal prisoners or detainees. ICE, DHS, and the GAO all inspect and review the goings on in the prisons. In addition congress is given ovdersight and they love to have their inspection tours. Before I deal with the rest of your bullsh!t let’s focus on this, because it’s filled with misinformation and you haven’t been paying attention, probably deliberately. If you were you would know that these protests only started AFTER the prison in question refused inspections in violation of the laws by anyone other than ICE and DHS. The GAO has not been allowed entry, neither has members of Congress or the media, while reports of abuse have only grown. The Justice Department has refused to take any action despite this blatant violation of law. The rest of your post is just as insipid. Your personal experiences with prisons are completely irrelevant in this case since under the Trump administration these private ICE prisons have totally changed and I suspect are beyond your experience or understanding. Furthermore your argument about the supposed complicity of peaceful protestors has no bearing on the current situation. If I am at a protest and being peaceful and a guy next to me suddenly attacks a policeman, I am not guilty of a crime. I am not abetting him or aiding him. He deserves what happens to him; if I am violently attacked by police I do not. Full stop, end of discussion. 2 Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 minutes ago, Strike said: If Tim only posted about matters he knows anything about he'd never post again. He can't even properly rank Tom Petty's 100 greatest songs. I had no idea he wrote and recorded so many songs. When I looked it up google would not return a definitive answer but it looks like around 260 songs. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 minutes ago, Strike said: If Tim only posted about matters he knows anything about he'd never post again. He can't even properly rank Tom Petty's 100 greatest songs. I love TP, but 100? Quote
jerryskids Posted June 1 Posted June 1 On 5/31/2026 at 8:25 AM, Caine Mutiny said: Arrest the violent protestors. Cheer on the peaceful protesters as their cause is just. If ICE and/or police respond to the violent protestors by attacking peaceful protestors they will need to be held accountable as well. Most important: we need to fully investigate the reports of crimes being committed inside the ICE facility and hold everyone responsible to the fullest extent of the law, going all the way up to the top of the Trump administration. And then close down the facility and all other ICE facilities that are not directly connected to our borders. Bolded 1: EG has said it more eloquently, but I'll say it a different way. Believing that you can isolate lone single violent individuals in a mob is akin to the belief that police should shoot onrushing assailants in the leg, to just wound them. An unruly assembly needs to be disbursed, from a practical standpoint, for the safety of all involved. Bolded 2: You've said this multiple times. How does this work: if an illegal alien makes it up from AZ to Utah, they are now free to live in the US forever with no ramifications? If so, can we turn it into some sort of Running Man show? 1 Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 7 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: TimTim should stick to matters he knows about. I don't tell him how to engage illegals to perform menial work in dangerous and unsanitary conditions for less than minimum wage, and he should not lecture me about the criminal law, constitutional law, or any law whatsoever. I am lecturing you, correctly, because the Trump Administration has changed what is happening and it is now beyond your understanding or experience. You are lecturing me, incorrectly, based on what you saw and participated in prior to 2026. 3 Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: I had no idea he wrote and recorded so many songs. When I looked it up google would not return a definitive answer but it looks like around 260 songs. I suspect that would just be his released catalog, and even then it seems low. Dude was a prolific songwriter. He is in the Songwriter's hall of fame in addition to the R&R hall of fame. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: Before I deal with the rest of your bullsh!t let’s focus on this, because it’s filled with misinformation and you haven’t been paying attention, probably deliberately. If you were you would know that these protests only started AFTER the prison in question refused inspections in violation of the laws by anyone other than ICE and DHS. The GAO has not been allowed entry, neither has members of Congress or the media, while reports of abuse have only grown. The Justice Department has refused to take any action despite this blatant violation of law. The rest of your post is just as insipid. Your personal experiences with prisons are completely irrelevant in this case since under the Trump administration these private ICE prisons have totally changed and I suspect are beyond your experience or understanding. Furthermore your argument about the supposed complicity of peaceful protestors has no bearing on the current situation. If I am at a protest and being peaceful and a guy next to me suddenly attacks a policeman, I am not guilty of a crime. I am not abetting him or aiding him. He deserves what happens to him; if I am violently attacked by police I do not. Full stop, end of discussion. Full stop, end of discussion . Your ignorance is not ended by your attempting to end the discussion. Rather it is amplified. I'd like to hang around and mock you some more, but for now, it is a beautiful day. Perhaps later as i know you will spout some equally wrong and hilarious drivel. Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I love TP, but 100? Anyone who's a Petty fan can find at least a 100 songs they'd consider great. Me, personally, I can listen to at least his first five albums without finding a single song I don't love. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Trump is the greatest president this country has ever had, and it's hurting tim bad. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, jerryskids said: Bolded 1: EG has said it more eloquently, but I'll say it a different way. Believing that you can isolate lone single violent individuals in a mob is akin to the belief that police should shoot onrushing assailants in the leg, to just wound them. An unruly assembly needs to be disbursed, from a practical standpoint, for the safety of all involved. Bolded 2: You've said this multiple times. How does this work: if an illegal alien makes it up from AZ to Utah, they are now free to live in the US forever with no ramifications? If so, can we turn it into some sort of Running Man show? 1. EG may be eloquent (debatable but he’s certainly not the worst here) but in this case his arguments are uninformed crap. See my responses. 2. The cause is just because they are protesting abuses taking place within the Delaney private prison. The rest of your post is irrelevant. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: I am lecturing you, correctly, because the Trump Administration has changed what is happening and it is now beyond your understanding or experience. You are lecturing me, incorrectly, based on what you saw and participated in prior to 2026. I thought you went full stop, end of discussion. Well that lasted a few minutes. Anyhow, I am out Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Before I deal with the rest of your bullsh!t let’s focus on this, because it’s filled with misinformation and you haven’t been paying attention, probably deliberately. If you were you would know that these protests only started AFTER the prison in question refused inspections in violation of the laws by anyone other than ICE and DHS. The GAO has not been allowed entry, neither has members of Congress or the media, while reports of abuse have only grown. The Justice Department has refused to take any action despite this blatant violation of law. Hakeem Jeffries would like to have a word: https://jeffries.house.gov/2026/05/31/leader-jeffries-statement-following-delaney-hall-oversight-visit/ Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, Caine Mutiny said: 1. EG may be eloquent (debatable but he’s certainly not the worst here) but in this case his arguments are uninformed crap. See my responses. 2. The cause is just because they are protesting abuses taking place within the Delaney private prison. The rest of your post is irrelevant. What abuses? Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said: Full stop, end of discussion . Your ignorance is not ended by your attempting to end the discussion. Rather it is amplified. I'd like to hang around and mock you some more, but for now, it is a beautiful day. Perhaps later as i know you will spout some equally wrong and hilarious drivel. We agree that’s it’s a beautiful day. Enjoy it. I will try to do so as well. Quote
jerryskids Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Caine Mutiny said: 1. EG may be eloquent (debatable but he’s certainly not the worst here) but in this case his arguments are uninformed crap. See my responses. 2. The cause is just because they are protesting abuses taking place within the Delaney private prison. The rest of your post is irrelevant. Neither of these bullets has a single thing to do with what I typed. Quite impressive. 1 Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, seafoam1 said: What abuses? Yeah, as if any of those protestors could articulate what they are actually protesting. They have no clue. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Engorgeous George said: I thought you went full stop, end of discussion. Well that lasted a few minutes. Anyhow, I am out On how innocent peaceful protestors are not guilty of anything. Thats the end of discussion part. I’m open to discussing any other point however. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Strike said: Anyone who's a Petty fan can find at least a 100 songs they'd consider great. Me, personally, I can listen to at least his first five albums without finding a single song I don't love. I have to ask, what’s number 100? Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: On how innocent peaceful protestors are not guilty of anything. Thats the end of discussion part. I’m open to discussing any other point however. If someone threatens to kill your kid and starts throwing rocks and severely bites and kicks at the kid, you are good with that? This is awesome watching you break down. Keep it coming timmy! Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I have to ask, what’s number 100? I have no idea. I haven't done a ranking. Like Michael Bolton, I celebrate Tom's entire catalog. I just know Tim's rankings are wrong. 2 Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: I have to ask, what’s number 100? My #100 was “Wooden Heart”, an Elvis Presley cover from the Nobody’s Children CD. You’re welcome to look at the thread and comment if you wish. I’m now at #86. “Only a Broken Heart” from Wildflowers https://forums.footballguys.com/threads/tom-petty-his-100-greatest-songs-86-only-a-broken-heart.820584/ Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 7 minutes ago, Strike said: Yeah, as if any of those protestors could articulate what they are actually protesting. They have no clue. These people need to be made examples of once and for all. Start putting them in prison for 20 years and see how quickly this starts getting under control. And I'm including the Democrat politicians that are encouraging this whole thing. Give them life in prison. Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, seafoam1 said: These people need to be made examples of once and for all. Start putting them in prison for 20 years and see how quickly this starts getting under control. And I'm including the Democrat politicians that are encouraging this whole thing. Give them life in prison. Honestly, they should be interrogated and forced to disclose the specifics of what they're protesting. If they can't have an intelligent discussion about it throw the book at them. And let the 5 who can articulate actual issues go. Seems simple enough. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, Strike said: Honestly, they should be interrogated and forced to disclose the specifics of what they're protesting. If they can't have an intelligent discussion about it throw the book at them. And let the 5 who can articulate actual issues go. Seems simple enough. Lol they all know exactly what they’re protesting: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/delaney-hall-protests-7th-day/ https://theintercept.com/2026/05/29/ice-pepper-spray-nj-newark-delaney/ Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Lol they all know exactly what they’re protesting: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/delaney-hall-protests-7th-day/ https://theintercept.com/2026/05/29/ice-pepper-spray-nj-newark-delaney/ As Jerry said about one of your posts to him, nothing in your links addresses the point of the post you replied to. You are incapable of focused thought. All your discussions are in generalities and platitudes. As I said the other day, you are the perfect caricature of an educated, intelligent human being. That isn't meant as a slight. It's simply an observation. Quote
Meglamaniac Posted June 1 Posted June 1 50 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: I’m sick of idiots who live in their own fantasy world rejecting whatever news they choose not to see. In the case of Delaney prison the truth is all over CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, etc. it’s probably not on Fox News. I’m not going to waste my time showing you guys. Do it yourself. LOL So willfully unaware, but yea everyone else is living is a fantasy world Quote
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