seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 11 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Lol they all know exactly what they’re protesting: https://www.cbsnews.com/newyork/news/delaney-hall-protests-7th-day/ https://theintercept.com/2026/05/29/ice-pepper-spray-nj-newark-delaney/ Point out a fact other than some criminal accusing somebody of something. Quote
JuneJuly Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said: I’m sick of idiots who live in their own fantasy world rejecting whatever news they choose not to see. In the case of Delaney prison the truth is all over CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, etc. it’s probably not on Fox News. I’m not going to waste my time showing you guys. Do it yourself. Per CNN: Quote Protests continued Sunday past a nightly curfew near Delaney Hall, an ICE facility in Newark, New Jersey, over alleged inhumane conditions for the detainees inside. Several protesters were arrested after refusing to leave once the curfew began, New Jersey Attorney General Jennifer Davenport said. “A group of individuals who had come to the protest armed with helmets, shields, or gas masks deliberately refused to comply with repeated orders to leave the area and were arrested,” “Due to the escalating situation at Delaney Hall and the increasing need for police intervention, immediate action is required to protect public safety,” Your problem is you never read, you just grab your click bait headline that fits your imaginary world and run with it. You're weak and pathetic. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 7 minutes ago, JuneJuly said: Per CNN: Your problem is you never read, you just grab your click bait headline that fits your imaginary world and run with it. You're weak and pathetic. Your opinion of me never fails to strengthen my convictions that I’m right about all of this. Of course I have the facts on my side so I already knew that. But even if I were completely ignorant about this or any other situation, all I need is June/July to tell me something and I knew the opposite is true. I used to love watching Eric Dickerson make fantasy football predictions. I depended on him: whoever he said to start I would bench and vise versa. You’re the same way in these discussions. I’m very grateful to you. 1 Quote
RaiderHaters Revenge Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Tim once again lying and crying over illegal criminals and men doing their job removing them. It’s a beautiful overcorrection that will prevent anyone from entering illegally again Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, RaiderHaters Revenge said: Tim once again lying and crying over illegal criminals and men doing their job removing them. It’s a beautiful overcorrection that will prevent anyone from entering illegally again This is the most truthful post I have read from you guys. It’s horrible and wrong but at least it’s honest. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 25 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Your opinion of me never fails to strengthen my convictions that I’m right about all of this. Well, you are a bigoted racist lunatic. So feel good all you want. Your record for being correct is sitting at 0.00%. Quote
Fireballer Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said: neither has members of Congress Fukin Nadler just went in less than a week ago. JFC… Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Fireballer said: Fukin Nadler just went in less than a week ago. JFC… Hakeem went in this weekend. Notice Tim ignoring these FACTS. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 16 minutes ago, Strike said: Hakeem went in this weekend. Notice Tim ignoring these FACTS. He's busy spending his time trying to get threads deleted because they hurt his feelers. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 36 minutes ago, Strike said: Hakeem went in this weekend. Notice Tim ignoring these FACTS. Because why bother with you guys? None of the Congresspeople have been allowed entry when they showed up. Only after weeks of repeated requests which were refused, were they then given carefully staged guided tours. It’s pathetic how you guys keep falling for this bullsh!t. Someday your grandkids will ask you about it and I’m guessing you will lie to them…”I never believed Trump, I was always suspicious of that stuff…” 1 Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 24 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: He's busy spending his time trying to get threads deleted because they hurt his feelers. What the fock are you going on about now? Was your thread about me deleted? I didn’t do it. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 13 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: What the fock are you going on about now? Was your thread about me deleted? I didn’t do it. Sure thing ratboy. Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 22 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Because why bother with you guys? None of the Congresspeople have been allowed entry when they showed up. Only after weeks of repeated requests which were refused, were they then given carefully staged guided tours. It’s pathetic how you guys keep falling for this bullsh!t. Someday your grandkids will ask you about it and I’m guessing you will lie to them…”I never believed Trump, I was always suspicious of that stuff…” Changing your tune, and still not showing your work. Such a joke. 1 Quote
dogcows Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 minute ago, Strike said: Changing your tune, and still not showing your work. Such a joke. Members of Congress are REQUIRED to be allowed access at any time without warning. ICE is, quite simply. breaking the law by refusing. https://democracyforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Neguse-TRO-Opinion.pdf Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted June 1 Posted June 1 3 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I have to ask, what’s number 100? 3 hours ago, Strike said: I have no idea. I haven't done a ranking. Like Michael Bolton, I celebrate Tom's entire catalog. I just know Tim's rankings are wrong. I know of Tom Petty, I can only name 3 songs... Free Falling, wait... 1 song. I have a hard time believing anyone could listen to more than 10 of his songs, let alone get up to 100. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: I know of Tom Petty, I can only name 3 songs... Free Falling, wait... 1 song. I have a hard time believing anyone could listen to more than 10 of his songs, let alone get up to 100. American Girl. That's the one I like. When I was in high school, my girlfriend at the time won tickets to see Petty in concert. I was literally fighting falling asleep during it. Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 minutes ago, seafoam1 said: American Girl. That's the one I like. When I was in high school, my girlfriend at the time won tickets to see Petty in concert. I was literally fighting falling asleep during it. Ah, 2 songs! Forgot that was him. I am, by no means, a measuring stick for music. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Just now, TBayXXXVII said: Ah, 2 songs! Forgot that was him. I am, by no means, a measuring stick for music. He was kind of a back up singer but him and Stevie Nicks did Stop Dragging My Heart Around. Good song. That's probably #2 for me in the list. But I am kind of run out of thoughts at this point. Quote
Strike Posted June 1 Posted June 1 It's ok guys. Not everyone has good taste in music. I get it. Enjoy your Mili Vanillli. Quote
Fnord Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 minutes ago, Strike said: Enjoy your Mili Vanillli. Are they still scheduled to "perform" at the AMERICA 250 celebration? Or did they also drop out? Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 58 minutes ago, dogcows said: Members of Congress are REQUIRED to be allowed access at any time without warning. ICE is, quite simply. breaking the law by refusing. https://democracyforward.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/02/Neguse-TRO-Opinion.pdf Don’t bother showing evidence to @Strike. He’s not worth it. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: They don’t do it, ever, by punishing anyone who has NOT committed illegal acts. Full stop. And you need to stop referring to those thug prison guards, working for a private entity, as LEOs. Police are LEOs. Private prison guards and ICE under Trump are not. Back, and as usual, now, here to rebut Timmy's falsehoods and exaggerations. To begin, ICE Officers arfe federal law enforcement officers with full arerdst and detgainment powers. They have, by originating legislation a narrow focus on the laws they enforce, but they are unquerstionably LEO's. As for Private Guards, there are plenty of court cases upholding the delegation of LE powers to them but they are not what are considered full Law Enfocement Officers. Under federal law they are occassionally classified as such for pay and overtime purposes, but they are delegees rather than teh thing tghemselves. Now in some states the states require that they be LEO. In others that they have successfully passed P.O.S.T. So, scoring this post time is 75% falt out wrong but 25% corect. That is pretty good for him. Rarely does he hit that high. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Don’t bother showing evidence to @Strike. He’s not worth it. Opinions and lies from criminals are now "evidence" in courts? Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 6 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: None of you will acknowledge the fact that these protests began because of the incredible abuse of these prisoners in this prison These protests began with the advent of private prisons. Prisoneers there look for ways to occupy their time, improve there conditions, and vex their keepers. Just like in government operated jails prisoner lawsuits are a huge industry. Occassionally, and i mean very occassionally the suits are well founded. Over 90% of these suits are dismissed as wholly unfounded and the remainder are often granted only in very limited part. The fact is prisoners lie. They have no reason to not do so and every reason to do so. Tim wants to argue these suits are something new, something attributable to Trump. They are not. He was unaware of them previously, but that does not make them something which just began. Also, the incredible abuse Tim speaks of is ALLEGED incredible abuse, it is alleged by the prisoners looking to gain something and supported by politicians looking to find an issue which will resonate with the listener, presuming the listener is not discerning. What we do not see much of is medical evidence, sworn testimony, video, just politicians and lawyers relaying what they say their handpicked clients allege., a private prison which the Trump family is invested in which is making billions of dollars in profit (These prisons have been money makers. Does that individual prison make billions every year, no. Will it eventually, probably yes. Is the Trump family invested, I don't know. It would not surprise me as I do not find them ethical in many if not most financial matters.) while starving the prisoners their (Have to show me one starved prisoner, their contracts require a minimal number of calories per day and a percentage distribution between proteins, and grains), putting maggots in the food they do manage to give (I have not seen this on Dirty Jobs with MikeRrowe but one can imagine that the Maggot Putter-inner is one of the lower jobs around.), preventing basic medical care (I don't think so. Not giving as timely a care or as extensive as some prisoners would like, certainly, but I note that some prisoners sue to get sex changes , new teeth, and even heart/ lung or liver transplants and they want to be moved to the top of the recipient lists.), beating up prisoners (subduing prisoners), etc. (Tims love for the" etc.") Neither are you paying attention to the fact that the ICE agents are attacking and abusing peaceful protestors. (In a melee, one which is fully supported by those adding to the chaos, Tim presumes if there is a single example of a lesser involved individual paying the price for their participation in a mob that all ICE Officers are tasked with beating all persons there.) Instead your sole concern seems to be the tiny minority of protestors who have either used violence against the authorities or threatened to do so. To you guys these represent ALL of the protestors- that is idiocy that @Engorgeous George is pushing, along with so many others. Shameful and outrageous. (Not precisely, and therefore a dangerous lie. There are protesters in designated protest zones, not blocking traffic or impeding operations informationally protesting and who smartly leave the scene when violence erupts so as to not impede the law enforcement response. They are innocent. Then there are those who aid and abet the violent nuts. thsoe who allow the violent to mingle in their midst so as to avoid detection. Those who distract gthe officers during their enforcements with disruptions of communications and threats which need to be assessed at that moment. Those folks are, whether Tim likes it or not, considered criminals by the law. Tim, with his greater legal knowledge than a career prosecutor who has taught P.O.ST. certification, taught courses at FLETCY, and has an exemplary prosecutorial record, wants to maintain otherwise, but as usual Tim is full of sh1t.) I am going to have to grade this one 85% on the Tim Fabricated Bullsh1t meter. Quote
Tree of Knowledge Posted June 1 Posted June 1 Live look at these “terrible conditions” at the NJ ICE facility Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: Before I deal with the rest of your bullsh!t let’s focus on this, because it’s filled with misinformation and you haven’t been paying attention, probably deliberately. If you were you would know that these protests only started AFTER the prison in question refused inspections in violation of the laws by anyone other than ICE and DHS. The GAO has not been allowed entry, neither has members of Congress or the media, while reports of abuse have only grown. The Justice Department has refused to take any action despite this blatant violation of law. The rest of your post is just as insipid. Your personal experiences with prisons are completely irrelevant in this case since under the Trump administration these private ICE prisons have totally changed and I suspect are beyond your experience or understanding. Furthermore your argument about the supposed complicity of peaceful protestors has no bearing on the current situation. If I am at a protest and being peaceful and a guy next to me suddenly attacks a policeman, I am not guilty of a crime. I am not abetting him or aiding him. He deserves what happens to him; if I am violently attacked by police I do not. Full stop, end of discussion. Ah yes. My relevant experience is irrelevant because Trump. Sorry Timmy, all of the issues recieving increased scrutiny right now as the left looks for a camapign issue are issues which ahve existed for the two decades taht private prisons ahve flourished. That you were unaware of the issues until now does not make them new now, it makes you previosuly uninformed. Quote
Mark Davis Posted June 1 Posted June 1 5 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: I’m sick of idiots who live in their own fantasy world rejecting whatever news they choose not to see. In the case of Delaney prison the truth is all over CNN, Washington Post, New York Times, etc. it’s probably not on Fox News. I’m not going to waste my time showing you guys. Do it yourself. I think I said something similar to this to you when we were discussing Joe Biden's decline in mental acuity before that debate fiasco. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 4 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: I am lecturing you, correctly, because the Trump Administration has changed what is happening and it is now beyond your understanding or experience. You are lecturing me, incorrectly, based on what you saw and participated in prior to 2026. Rarely have I ever seen someone so proud of their own ignorance. We should notify the good folks at the Guiness Book of World Rcords. You may qualify. 1 Quote
TBayXXXVII Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Strike said: It's ok guys. Not everyone has good taste in music. I get it. Enjoy your Mili Vanillli. LOL, all I know about them is that they were lip syncing in concerts. Can't even tell you one song that they had. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 52 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: Don’t bother showing evidence to @Strike. He’s not worth it. The rat speaks out again. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted June 1 Posted June 1 An aside interesting perhaps only to me, but maybe to others. The GEO Group facility in our community was under some pressure, a not uncommon occurance over the past two decades. I was working on an emergency response MOU for both police and fire setting out protocols for when and how to respond to the facility, something done fairly routinely whenever the head person at the facility would change or whenever the Police or Fire Chief would change, or whenever the political party in charge would change, so something which would ahppen nearly every year. Negotiations had extended beyond the normal wrangling and were getting nowhere. I got a call from the head of the facility. They thought a working 4 day weekend in the Virgin Islands might get the matter wrapped up. They were happy, they said, to fly me first class down to some fairly exclusive resort if I could make the time. I thanked them for their offer, declined, and then wrote a memo to my boss detailing the offer. Following that offer all communications with that Director of the facility were conducted in writing, slowing down the negotiations a bit further. We got through it though. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted June 1 Posted June 1 First off I want to offer my gratitude to @Engorgeous George for spending so much time responding to my posts. He is a thoughtful guy, he does have personal experience in these areas (I do not) and his responses are generally informative. That said, ultimately his arguments are still exactly what I said they were: uninformed bullsh!t. Why? Because he still refuses to accept the fact that things are different under Trump. He accuses me of not being aware of the problems of private prisons prior to Trump. That’s ridiculous; of course I was aware. I’ve discussed these issues at length in political forums, I’ve read several books on the subject. One of them, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, spends a good deal of time offering specific examples of the mistreatment of minorities in these prisons (and incidentally takes issue with many of EG’s assurances) and that was published in 2010. But there is a crucial difference here: in the past years the mistreatment in private prisons was a result of a combination of greed, laziness, stupidity and the remnants of a history of racism. Very little of it was deliberate. Here it is almost ALL deliberate: abuse directed from our federal government under Donald Trump designed to punish undocumented immigrants so as to scare those who are still here to self-deport and scare those who are not here from coming. @RaiderHaters Revenge of all people is the only person here on the “MAGA” side to honestly admit this but I suspect most of you know it and approve of it. @Engorgeous George however does not; as a lawyer and, I will presume, an ethical person, he would never accept a deliberate attempt to mistreat prisoners in order to scare others. He cannot accept this because it would destroy his whole world view that conservatism is still the same as it was before Trump emerged. He reminds me of the Burt Lancaster character from Judgment at Nuremberg. Quote
Meglamaniac Posted June 1 Posted June 1 26 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said: First off I want to offer my gratitude to @Engorgeous George for spending so much time responding to my posts. He is a thoughtful guy, he does have personal experience in these areas (I do not) and his responses are generally informative. That said, ultimately his arguments are still exactly what I said they were: uninformed bullsh!t. Why? Because he still refuses to accept the fact that things are different under Trump. He accuses me of not being aware of the problems of private prisons prior to Trump. That’s ridiculous; of course I was aware. I’ve discussed these issues at length in political forums, I’ve read several books on the subject. One of them, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, spends a good deal of time offering specific examples of the mistreatment of minorities in these prisons (and incidentally takes issue with many of EG’s assurances) and that was published in 2010. But there is a crucial difference here: in the past years the mistreatment in private prisons was a result of a combination of greed, laziness, stupidity and the remnants of a history of racism. Very little of it was deliberate. Here it is almost ALL deliberate: abuse directed from our federal government under Donald Trump designed to punish undocumented immigrants so as to scare those who are still here to self-deport and scare those who are not here from coming. @RaiderHaters Revenge of all people is the only person here on the “MAGA” side to honestly admit this but I suspect most of you know it and approve of it. @Engorgeous George however does not; as a lawyer and, I will presume, an ethical person, he would never accept a deliberate attempt to mistreat prisoners in order to scare others. He cannot accept this because it would destroy his whole world view that conservatism is still the same as it was before Trump emerged. He reminds me of the Burt Lancaster character from Judgment at Nuremberg. No need to read this crap, all it says is Orange Man Bad 1 Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 1 Posted June 1 1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said: First off I want to offer my gratitude to @Engorgeous George for spending so much time responding to my posts. He is a thoughtful guy, he does have personal experience in these areas (I do not) and his responses are generally informative. And he makes you look like the idiot you are. Just like the rest of us normal people do. Quote
RaiderHaters Revenge Posted June 2 Posted June 2 3 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: First off I want to offer my gratitude to @Engorgeous George for spending so much time responding to my posts. He is a thoughtful guy, he does have personal experience in these areas (I do not) and his responses are generally informative. That said, ultimately his arguments are still exactly what I said they were: uninformed bullsh!t. Why? Because he still refuses to accept the fact that things are different under Trump. He accuses me of not being aware of the problems of private prisons prior to Trump. That’s ridiculous; of course I was aware. I’ve discussed these issues at length in political forums, I’ve read several books on the subject. One of them, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, spends a good deal of time offering specific examples of the mistreatment of minorities in these prisons (and incidentally takes issue with many of EG’s assurances) and that was published in 2010. But there is a crucial difference here: in the past years the mistreatment in private prisons was a result of a combination of greed, laziness, stupidity and the remnants of a history of racism. Very little of it was deliberate. Here it is almost ALL deliberate: abuse directed from our federal government under Donald Trump designed to punish undocumented immigrants so as to scare those who are still here to self-deport and scare those who are not here from coming. @RaiderHaters Revenge of all people is the only person here on the “MAGA” side to honestly admit this but I suspect most of you know it and approve of it. @Engorgeous George however does not; as a lawyer and, I will presume, an ethical person, he would never accept a deliberate attempt to mistreat prisoners in order to scare others. He cannot accept this because it would destroy his whole world view that conservatism is still the same as it was before Trump emerged. He reminds me of the Burt Lancaster character from Judgment at Nuremberg. im not on the Maga side, I am on the deport all illegals side like the sh1t Obama and Clinton ran on I am also pro torture too so whatever Quote
Maximum Overkill Posted June 2 Posted June 2 The violent liberals were at it again @Caine Mutiny @TimHauck Protests escalate following curfew at ICE detention center in New Jersey https://share.google/PPsbD0aVGDg9qbX40 Quote
Fnord Posted June 2 Posted June 2 16 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: First off I want to offer my gratitude to @Engorgeous George for spending so much time responding to my posts. He is a thoughtful guy, he does have personal experience in these areas (I do not) and his responses are generally informative. That said, ultimately his arguments are still exactly what I said they were: uninformed bullsh!t. Why? Because he still refuses to accept the fact that things are different under Trump. He accuses me of not being aware of the problems of private prisons prior to Trump. That’s ridiculous; of course I was aware. I’ve discussed these issues at length in political forums, I’ve read several books on the subject. One of them, The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander, spends a good deal of time offering specific examples of the mistreatment of minorities in these prisons (and incidentally takes issue with many of EG’s assurances) and that was published in 2010. But there is a crucial difference here: in the past years the mistreatment in private prisons was a result of a combination of greed, laziness, stupidity and the remnants of a history of racism. Very little of it was deliberate. Here it is almost ALL deliberate: abuse directed from our federal government under Donald Trump designed to punish undocumented immigrants so as to scare those who are still here to self-deport and scare those who are not here from coming. @RaiderHaters Revenge of all people is the only person here on the “MAGA” side to honestly admit this but I suspect most of you know it and approve of it. @Engorgeous George however does not; as a lawyer and, I will presume, an ethical person, he would never accept a deliberate attempt to mistreat prisoners in order to scare others. He cannot accept this because it would destroy his whole world view that conservatism is still the same as it was before Trump emerged. He reminds me of the Burt Lancaster character from Judgment at Nuremberg. Tim I don't know if you're more frustrating for the guys here that hate you or guys like me that actually agree with you regularly, but you often come off as a pompous ass, whether intentional or not (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt). EG is a lawyer, an old school common sense intellectual, and, I believe, a thoroughly scrupulous and upstanding dude. He has depths of knowledge of law that you cannot hope to achieve. While you may be correct in some of the above, the assumptions you made are kind of embarrassing. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 2 Posted June 2 5 minutes ago, Fnord said: Tim I don't know if you're more frustrating for the guys here that hate you or guys like me that actually agree with you regularly, but you often come off as a pompous ass, whether intentional or not (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt). EG is a lawyer, an old school common sense intellectual, and, I believe, a thoroughly scrupulous and upstanding dude. He has depths of knowledge of law that you cannot hope to achieve. While you may be correct in some of the above, the assumptions you made are kind of embarrassing. From one libtatd to another. Gotta love the infighting. Liberals are so dumb. Quote
seafoam1 Posted June 2 Posted June 2 4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: The violent liberals were at it again @Caine Mutiny @TimHauck Protests escalate following curfew at ICE detention center in New Jersey https://share.google/PPsbD0aVGDg9qbX40 The violent liberals go out specifically to violate the curfew to cause unrest. It's in their genes. It's time to stop the tear gas and bring out those sound cannons to disperse these liberal idiots. Let them have a full dose of high frequency sound waves to those tiny little brains they have. Then shoot them with rubber bullets as they wobble away. Quote
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