Protests erupt outside N.J. ICE facility

[JuneJuly]

40 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

On the first he did list specific abuses. Sorry if you guys can’t read. 

List one specifically listed in your link.   

You wont because you can't.   You're a pathological liar.   

[JuneJuly]

Here is a link with specific abuses!   

Several posters read the article and don't find any listed.

You guys can't read!

 

I mean it doesn't get any more pathological than that.   Flat out living in an imaginary world.   Tim needs to seek serious professional help.  

[seafoam1]

Did anyone hear any of the whining from liberals about this under Biden? 

[Caine Mutiny]

41 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

List one specifically listed in your link.   

You wont because you can't.   You're a pathological liar.   

Nope. Everyone is free to read the link and draw their own conclusions. 

[Caine Mutiny]

58 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

There are already inspections.  I am fine with more so long as it is not an excuse to burden the administration.  To the extent it is to refine operations or to correct matters that is fine. 

Unfettered and uncontrolled in a secure facility housing damgerous persons and or persons motivated to escape is dangerous and foolish.  

 

It is not wrong, but rather prudent that unfettered and spontaneous reviews have not been granted as security plans must be put in place.  Denying of ridiculous inspection demands by partisan media or local politicains looking for video for their next campaign commercial is neither wrong nor illegal.  As for denying congress the right to appear without notice and to demand entry, that power is not granted to congress but neither is it denied.  As I suggested or stated in my previous post if congress wants to address the requirted notice protocol they have that power, if they do not the Courts will eventually be heard and will apply a reasonableness standard.  To me the Courts ahve indicated they believe what is reasonable is less than the 7 days in the Kristi Noem memo, but they have clearly indicated unanounced immediate entry is also unreasonalble.  As I said, I have little doubt the Courts will settle on 72 to 48 hours.  Even the most liberal of courts would certainly grant 24 hours notice so as to staff for a safety plan for the inspection.  To the extent that Congress persons , the media, or ACLU lawyers imply otherwise is the exact extent to which you know you cannot believe them.  They know as I do how this will settle out in the end.

No. No excuses, which is all you’re offering here. The law demands that Congresspeople be allowed to visit at any time upon demand. 
 

https://crow.house.gov/media/press-releases/crow-members-of-congress-have-legal-right-to-enter-detention-facilities-and-conduct-oversight
 

This right has been denied by the Trump Administration. Your statement “there are already inspections” is a blatant lie. 
 

Open the doors, let them in. Then we’ll see. I believe the ACLU, believe the charges of abuse. But I’m willing to be proven wrong. You and other supporters of this current administration won’t allow for that. 

[JuneJuly]

4 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Nope. Everyone is free to read the link and draw their own conclusions. 

Everyone can read it as proof you're a liar. There are zero specific abuses listed in your link.  

[JuneJuly]

2 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Open the doors, let them in. Then we’ll see.

Wouldn't need to do this if there were specific abuses documented.  But there isn't because you lied.  

[Caine Mutiny]

48 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Tell you what Timmy, I will do what you would be incapable of doing, I will give you ammunition, good ammunition to make a claim while noting it is but a single incident.  My friend, ACLU Director Mark Silverstein did institute suit against a GEO Center in Aurora Colorado.   The suit was for lack of medical care though I would phrase it insufficient or neglegent medical care.  A detainee died going through withdrawal while held at the center.  At the time I represented the City of Aurora and the Federal Government's Department of Justice Weed and Seed program office.  My clients were dismissed from the suit early on.  Still, the suit was well vetted in court and liability was established.  You can read about Mark in this following link, and in it find another link to the aforementioned case.

 

ACLU Legal Director Mark Silverstein Announces Forthcoming Retirement After 31 Years - ACLU of Colorado

Not sure how many times I have to repeat that your previous experiences means nothing when discussing the Trump administration. It’s worthless. These are villains apparently beyond your willingness to understand. So be it. You can live with the consequences of your acquiescence in years to come. 
 

I will look back on these years disgusted but at least proud of the fact that I tried to fight against this tyranny in a peaceful democratic way. Those of you who either cheer it on (or in your case constantly make excuses) may not be as proud in the end. 

[Fireballer]

4 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said:

 He views ICE as legitimate law enforcement

Where do you keep getting this dumb shat about them not being legitimate LEOs?  I know some lefty talking head said it, so you repeat it without knowing what the fuk you’re talking about.  Enough people here have set you straight that you should at least take the clue and go research for yourself.

[Mark Davis]

All this has made me resolute to try and never do something to end up in a jail or detention center.

[Caine Mutiny]

2 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

All this has made me resolute to try and never do something to end up in a jail or detention center.

That won’t save you. Plenty of innocent people in that detention center and others. If you continue to support Trump there will be plenty more someday. It could be you and hopefully there will be someone left to defend your rights. Certainly @Engorgeous George won’t; he’ll find a way to tell himself you must be guilty of something. 

[JuneJuly]

2 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Plenty of innocent people in that detention center.

Link?

[Caine Mutiny]

11 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Where do you keep getting this dumb shat about them not being legitimate LEOs?  I know some lefty talking head said it, so you repeat it without knowing what the fuk you’re talking about.  Enough people here have set you straight that you should at least take the clue and go research for yourself.

Legally they have the right to operate. Under Trump they have neither obeyed the law nor acted with a moral foundation. They are bad dudes, Gestapo like. I don’t regard them as legitimate. I doubt history will either. 

[Mark Davis]

Just now, Caine Mutiny said:

That won’t save you. Plenty of innocent people in that detention center and others. If you continue to support Trump there will be plenty more someday. It could be you and hopefully there will be someone left to defend your rights. 

I realize detention centers aren't the Westin Peachtree.  Are the people in that facility here legally?  If that answer is no, then they aren't innocent in the eyes of the law.

As far as my rights, for both myself and you, I'm far more worried about the Hamas supporting rabid dogs on the far left you are staying in lockstep with.  They actually would prefer to turn on you before they do me, but either way if that day comes I'll be here for the fight.

[Engorgeous George]

1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said:

No. No excuses, which is all you’re offering here. The law demands that Congresspeople be allowed to visit at any time upon demand. 
 

https://crow.house.gov/media/press-releases/crow-members-of-congress-have-legal-right-to-enter-detention-facilities-and-conduct-oversight
 

This right has been denied by the Trump Administration. Your statement “there are already inspections” is a blatant lie. 
 

Open the doors, let them in. Then we’ll see. I believe the ACLU, believe the charges of abuse. But I’m willing to be proven wrong. You and other supporters of this current administration won’t allow for that. 

I don't support the current administration.  That I oppose your unending stream of lies and ignorance does not mean I support what you oppose, it simply means I opppose lies and ignorance.

 

It is not a blatant lie or any lie to say that there are inspections of the facilities.  That there are not constant inspections by the unqualified time after time to satisfy those like yourself who will never be satisfied is a far cry from there being no inspections.

 

As for your presumption that Congresspeople be allowed to inspect at any time first I am glad you are off making arguments about state and local politicains.  Next, I know Jason Crow, I know his argument.  I note that he, and you, go one step too far.  The laws he cites say federal monies cannot be used to deny their inspections, and it says that no specific notice is required. That means there is no official form or announcement, nor an official protocol for the demand to inspect nor is there a statutory time frame.  As I noted already Kristi Noem tried to take the lack of clarity on this issue to mean 7 days notice is required.  The courts have more or less unanimously rejected that.  This is not to say that no notice is required.  The authorizing legislation, tied to funding and not generally to establishing comprehensive protocols, is silent as to the amount of notice or to the form and delivery and notice of a demand.  In the absence of such direction the courts have, as I have said  always imposed a reasonableness standard.

 

if Congress had been clear, and Congress knows how to be clear as their legislative aids have well established protocols for drafting directives to agencies on how to administer facilities, Congress could ahve.  They did not.  They wanted these arguemnts but they knew and know, as do i, how this will be resolved.

 

Some day I hope we can meet so that I might address saying aI promulgated a blatant lie.  I believe I would address the matter nonverbally.

[Engorgeous George]

20 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

That won’t save you. Plenty of innocent people in that detention center and others. If you continue to support Trump there will be plenty more someday. It could be you and hopefully there will be someone left to defend your rights. Certainly @Engorgeous George won’t; he’ll find a way to tell himself you must be guilty of something. 

Engorgeous George actually began his career as defense counsel.  Engorgeous George has actually been an expert witness for the ACLU on an issue of adequacy of police training. Engorgeous George looks forward to meeting you in person some day so he can watch you wet yourself.

[Caine Mutiny]

2 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

Engorgeous George actually began his career as defense counsel.  Engorgeous George has actaully been an expert witness for the ACLU on an issue of adequacy of police training. Engorgeous George looks forward to meeting you in person some day so he can watch you wet yourself.

The last two posts, in which I called you a liar and wrote that you wouldn’t defend Mark Davis were over the top and rude on my part. I apologize for them. 
 

I disagree with you on this issue and others but there was no cause for me to be personally insulting. Hope you accept my apology. In any case it’s offered. 

[JuneJuly]

44 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Nope. Everyone is free to read the link and draw their own conclusions. 

I have an idea, let's just ask AI

 

Conversation with Gemini

Does this article list any specific abuses in Delaney Hall? https://austinkocher.substack.com/p/delaney-hall-detention-center-a-data

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Based on the title and excerpt of Austin Kocher's article, "Delaney Hall Detention Center: A Data Profile," the post focuses primarily on a quantitative, statistical breakdown rather than an investigative report on specific physical abuses.  

The primary scope of the article includes:

The Financial Cost: Analyzing ICE's spending allocations, noting that the agency insists on spending roughly $1 billion detaining individuals at Delaney Hall.  

 

The Demographics & Justifications: Fact-checking and contrasting ICE's stated rhetoric (claims that the funding is required to protect the public from "murderers, rapists," etc.) against the actual case data of the individuals held there.  

 

While data profiles like this highlight systemic issues, broader policy criticism, or discrepancies in how detention is justified, the article itself does not list specific, individual incidents of physical or administrative abuse inside the facility. Instead, it serves as a macro-level, data-driven critique of the facility's utility and funding.

 

You're a liar.  

[Strike]

8 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

The last two posts, in which I called you a liar and wrote that you wouldn’t defend Mark Davis were over the top and rude on my part. I apologize for them. 
 

I disagree with you on this issue and others but there was no cause for me to be personally insulting. Hope you accept my apology. In any case it’s offered. 

You forgot to include how much you learned from this, and that you won't be posting as much in the future.  

[Caine Mutiny]

4 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

I have an idea, let's just ask AI

 

Conversation with Gemini

Does this article list any specific abuses in Delaney Hall? https://austinkocher.substack.com/p/delaney-hall-detention-center-a-data

---------

Based on the title and excerpt of Austin Kocher's article, "Delaney Hall Detention Center: A Data Profile," the post focuses primarily on a quantitative, statistical breakdown rather than an investigative report on specific physical abuses.  

The primary scope of the article includes:

The Financial Cost: Analyzing ICE's spending allocations, noting that the agency insists on spending roughly $1 billion detaining individuals at Delaney Hall.  

 

The Demographics & Justifications: Fact-checking and contrasting ICE's stated rhetoric (claims that the funding is required to protect the public from "murderers, rapists," etc.) against the actual case data of the individuals held there.  

 

While data profiles like this highlight systemic issues, broader policy criticism, or discrepancies in how detention is justified, the article itself does not list specific, individual incidents of physical or administrative abuse inside the facility. Instead, it serves as a macro-level, data-driven critique of the facility's utility and funding.

 

You're a liar.  

No I didn’t lie. I probably shouldn’t have used the word “specific” in retrospect because that article was more macro as the AI correctly points out. 
But it wasn’t a lie, just a mistatement about that article; and despite the mistatement the article is still a valid discussion of the problems of Delaney under this administration and before. And of course there ARE specific reports of mistreatment, anyone who is paying attention has heard them: maggots in the food, not enough food, a pregnant woman not receiving medical treatment, no access to attorneys, etc. These have all been in the news. Perhaps not on Fox News. 
 

Your character, at least on this forum, is that of a bad person. You root for awful things to happen. You cheered on the Los Angeles fires. You express no sympathy for poor people. I always take this into account when you express any opinion of me. 

[Caine Mutiny]

11 minutes ago, Strike said:

You forgot to include how much you learned from this, and that you won't be posting as much in the future.  

Because I haven’t learned anything from it except I was being an a$$hole. And at least for the moment I plan to keep posting. 
 

From time to time I am rude, arrogant, pompous, just a jerk. It happens when I get overly passionate on an issue like this one. At least I’m not that way 100% of the time and when I do find myself acting that way I try to own it and apologize. That doesn’t make me a good person; it just, hopefully, makes me less of a bad one. 
 

On the other hand you’re rude nearly 100% of the time. Nearly all of your posts (not just to me) are filled with insults. And so far as I know you’ve never apologized once. 

[JuneJuly]

9 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

No I didn’t lie. I probably shouldn’t have used the word “specific” in retrospect because that article was more macro as the AI correctly points out. 
But it wasn’t a lie, just a mistatement about that article; and despite the mistatement the article is still a valid discussion of the problems of Delaney under this administration and before. And of course there ARE specific reports of mistreatment, anyone who is paying attention has heard them: maggots in the food, not enough food, a pregnant woman not receiving medical treatment, no access to attorneys, etc. These have all been in the news. Perhaps not on Fox News. 
 

Your character, at least on this forum, is that of a bad person. You root for awful things to happen. You cheered on the Los Angeles fires. You express no sympathy for poor people. I always take this into account when you express any opinion of me. 

I didn't lie it was just a misstatement!

Misstatements happen occasionally.  But when it's every single day with every link you provide it's no longer an occasional mistake.  Its crystal clear you dont read the links.  It's crystal clear you have serious mental issues.  You're a pathological liar.  You're pathetic. 

[jerryskids]

16 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

I have an idea, let's just ask AI

 

Conversation with Gemini

Does this article list any specific abuses in Delaney Hall? https://austinkocher.substack.com/p/delaney-hall-detention-center-a-data

---------

Based on the title and excerpt of Austin Kocher's article, "Delaney Hall Detention Center: A Data Profile," the post focuses primarily on a quantitative, statistical breakdown rather than an investigative report on specific physical abuses.  

The primary scope of the article includes:

The Financial Cost: Analyzing ICE's spending allocations, noting that the agency insists on spending roughly $1 billion detaining individuals at Delaney Hall.  

 

The Demographics & Justifications: Fact-checking and contrasting ICE's stated rhetoric (claims that the funding is required to protect the public from "murderers, rapists," etc.) against the actual case data of the individuals held there.  

 

While data profiles like this highlight systemic issues, broader policy criticism, or discrepancies in how detention is justified, the article itself does not list specific, individual incidents of physical or administrative abuse inside the facility. Instead, it serves as a macro-level, data-driven critique of the facility's utility and funding.

 

You're a liar.  

I feel bad for Tim.  He thinks he is on the correct, moral side, as do most Lefties.  As such, he blindly accepts whatever pablum he is fed.  I wonder who fed him that substack article as containing specific examples of abuse; some paragon of journalism like the NYT?  We know he believes them full stop, and on the "rare" occasions where they get something wrong, it is an honest error and not partisanship, even though multiple past NYT editors have written about their partisanship.

[Strike]

6 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

 

On the other hand you’re rude nearly 100% of the time. Nearly all of your posts (not just to me) are filled with insults. And so far as I know you’ve never apologized once. 

This is a flat out lie.  Just because I'm rude to YOU doesn't mean I'm rude to everyone.  And there are good reasons I'm rude to YOU.   Quit lying.  

[Fireballer]

49 minutes ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Legally they have the right to operate. Under Trump they have neither obeyed the law nor acted with a moral foundation. They are bad dudes, Gestapo like. I don’t regard them as legitimate. I doubt history will either. 

Ok my bad, you recognize them as statutorily legitimate, but the way they do their job doesn’t make you feel good.

Hey, if it makes sense to you, you go girl!

[JuneJuly]

I bet I could find a mistruth in over 90% of Tim's posts.

[Fnord]

3 minutes ago, Strike said:

This is a flat out lie.  Just because I'm rude to YOU doesn't mean I'm rude to everyone.  And there are good reasons I'm rude to YOU.   Quit lying.  

Let's be real. You're rude to a helluva lot more people than just Tim. You never apologize or backtrack on anything, even after being shown to be wrong. You ragged on people incessantly for breaking the rules and disrespecting Mike and holding yourself out to be some kind of paragon of board virtue, then got suspended for being a Richard, which is your SOP. I know you've been here forever and are generally well liked by the silverbacks, but that doesn't mean you're not rude, nasty, and condescending regularly. Get off your high horse, you're too short to ride it.

[Caine Mutiny]

16 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Let's be real. You're rude to a helluva lot more people than just Tim. You never apologize or backtrack on anything, even after being shown to be wrong. You ragged on people incessantly for breaking the rules and disrespecting Mike and holding yourself out to be some kind of paragon of board virtue, then got suspended for being a Richard, which is your SOP. I know you've been here forever and are generally well liked by the silverbacks, but that doesn't mean you're not rude, nasty, and condescending regularly. Get off your high horse, you're too short to ride it.

What he said. 

[Engorgeous George]

22 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Let's be real. You're rude to a helluva lot more people than just Tim. You never apologize or backtrack on anything, even after being shown to be wrong. You ragged on people incessantly for breaking the rules and disrespecting Mike and holding yourself out to be some kind of paragon of board virtue, then got suspended for being a Richard, which is your SOP. I know you've been here forever and are generally well liked by the silverbacks, but that doesn't mean you're not rude, nasty, and condescending regularly. Get off your high horse, you're too short to ride it.

Short man, high horse

Bing Videos

[Strike]

29 minutes ago, JuneJuly said:

I bet I could find a mistruth in over 90% of Tim's posts.

You have it backwards.   Pretty much all of Tim's posts contain mistruths.   The question is what percentage of each post are mistruths, and 90% seems about right.

[seafoam1]

12 minutes ago, Strike said:

You have it backwards.   Pretty much all of Tim's posts contain mistruths.   The question is what percentage of each post are mistruths, and 90% seems about right.

I'm going with 98%. He acknowledges illegals, places, people who exist, violence by the left, except he tells lies about all of them. Well, he believes the lies, but he's just stupid and gets it all wrong. He does do what he's told though by the liberal collective. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Why does this concern an immigrants rights group ? These are illegal aliens, not immigrants.  

[Caine Mutiny]

13 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Why does this concern an immigrants rights group ? These are illegal aliens, not immigrants.  

Whats the difference? 

[WhiteWonder]

https://nypost.com/2026/06/01/us-news/anti-ice-agitator-who-allegedly-bit-officers-during-delaney-hall-protest-was-previously-accused-of-distributing-child-porn/

[seafoam1]

4 minutes ago, WhiteWonder said:

https://nypost.com/2026/06/01/us-news/anti-ice-agitator-who-allegedly-bit-officers-during-delaney-hall-protest-was-previously-accused-of-distributing-child-porn/

Liberals have never had a problem with child pornography. 

[Maximum Overkill]

1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Whats the difference? 

You really don't know the difference? 

Woke