Karmelo Anthony found guilty of murder in fatal stabbing of Frisco student Austin Metcalf

[Engorgeous George]

1 hour ago, FrancieFootball said:

It's amazing how MAGAs hypercatastrophize the hell out of something to reinforce their racist, homophobic and transphobic paradigm. 

A guy on Facebook posted a meme juxtaposing a photo of radical extremists killing Christians in another country with a pic of Mamdini and notable Muslims in our country going about their daily business.

My response was, "Isn't great that in America we have the constitutionally protected right to peacefully practice our religious beliefs?"

He didn't like that.

When it comes to people of color, trans, gays, Muslims and just about everyone who Isn't a white Christian nationalist, MAGAs catastrophize and throw the babies out with the bathwater.

It's a mentally ill hate group and cult.

Sounds italian.

[Engorgeous George]

3 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Seeing as he could be released around age 36 for good behavior, he'll still have plenty of life left after prison.

After that much time in prison I would not anticipate a peacable, reformed man to emerge, but anything is possible. There are redemption stories.  Exceedingly rare, but they do occur.

[squistion]

9 minutes ago, FrancieFootball said:

Seeing as he could be released around age 36 for good behavior, he'll still have plenty of life left after prison.

Yes, in theory, but few people come out of prison unchanged and it usually is not for the better. 

[cmh6476]

I'm still mad at him for beating kansas' ass in 2003

[Mike Hunt]

29 minutes ago, squistion said:

The prosecution claimed his running away indicated a "guilty mindset."

Yeah, that could be the case, but it could also be that he panicked and feared for life at the hands of a white mob. Anthony's defense team contended that he fled in a state of "fear and chaos" following the deadly, split-second altercation.

Although he was not required to do so, Anthony should have testified on his own behalf to give the jurors his state of mind and how he perceived what has happened, before, during and after the killing. I don't know if his attorneys made that decision or he did, but it was the wrong one, as the result couldn't have been any worse.

For once you made a correct statement.  Anthony should have testified but really don`t think that would have helped.  Also, if you stab someone in the heart at a 11am track meet with a knife you had to pull out of a backpack anyone might be in a little hot water with friends of the person you just stabbed and killed.

If I stabbed someone I would be in a state of fear and chaos..any person would be.

[Maximum Overkill]

20 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yes, in theory, but few people come out of prison unchanged and it usually is not for the better. 

He's a murderer 

[squistion]

3 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

He's a murderer 

Yes, so said the jury. 

[TimHauck]

1 hour ago, nobody said:

WHAAAATT?!?!?! 

if the races were reversed it would've been 3 months of mostly peaceful riots.  

Jereme Dillingham disagrees with you.

[Engorgeous George]

9 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

For once you made a correct statement.  Anthony should have testified but really don`t think that would have helped.  Also, if you stab someone in the heart at a 11am track meet with a knife you had to pull out of a backpack anyone might be in a little hot water with friends of the person you just stabbed and killed.

If I stabbed someone I would be in a state of fear and chaos..any person would be.

I take the lesson imparted in the film Midnight Express.  If you want to stab someone and have it not be considered murder stab them in the ass.  I think they called it ayipp, clearly not an attempt to kill, but just to punish.

[Mike Hunt]

9 minutes ago, Engorgeous George said:

I take the lesson imparted in the film Midnight Express.  If you want to stab someone and have it not be considered murder stab them in the ass.  I think they called it ayipp, clearly not an attempt to kill, but just to punish.

The Jurors were visibly shocked and upset as graphic autopsy photos of Texas teen Austin Metcalf, including his eviscerated heart, were shown during the murder trial of Karmelo Anthony — who averted his eyes and turned away from the grim evidence of his crime.

Some of the jury members gasped and one woman put her hand over her mouth as pictures were displayed of Metcalf's body, showing a large stab wound in his chest and his punctured heart.

[Mike Hunt]

16 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yes, so said the jury. 

The jury also said Derek Chavin is a murderer.  Correct?

[Fireballer]

1 hour ago, squistion said:

It may be, it may not be.

I would like to see the sentences given in that jurisdiction for a similar crimes. In Minnesota Derek Chauvin got 22.5 years for murdering George Floyd which we all saw on video. 

This was not a premediated act and was a "heat of the moment" killing IMO, so a finding of manslaughter was probably more justified. But I can't say as I wasn't in the courtroom and didn't see the evidence that was presented to the jury. 

JFC dude, it’s two different states with two different statutes.  In addition, get acquainted with Texas law.  It will prevent you, possibly, from continuing to look like a moron.

[TimHauck]

1 minute ago, Mike Hunt said:

The jury also said Derek Chavin is a murderer.  Correct?

Correct.  I trust juries, do you?

[squistion]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

JFC dude, it’s two different states with two different statutes.  In addition, get acquainted with Texas law.  It will prevent you, possibly, from continuing to look like a moron.

Reading in fundamental.

I noted in my post that the Chauvin case was in Minnesota.

[squistion]

9 minutes ago, Mike Hunt said:

The jury also said Derek Chavin is a murderer.  Correct?

Correct. What is your point?

[Fireballer]

2 minutes ago, squistion said:

Reading in fundamental.

I noted in my post that the Chauvin case was in Minnesota.

Then why even compare?  It’s moronic.  Yes someone’s dead, but similarities stop there. 
And why mention premeditation in murder vs manslaughter?  

[squistion]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Then why even compare?  It’s moronic.  Yes someone’s dead, but similarities stop there. 
And why mention premeditation in murder vs manslaughter?  

Well, in the Chauvin case the jury didn't think it was premeditated, so that was why he was convicted of unintentional second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.

I don't believe this killing was premeditated and a different jury might have convicted Karmelo Anthony of the lesser manslaughter charge. 

[Frozenbeernuts]

7 hours ago, Sean Mooney said:

There are plenty of things in this country that show the racial divide is not healed....but this isn't the case to try and plant your flag. The kid overreacted and ruined many lives in the process-including his own. He did wrong clearly and deserved the verdict he got

The racial divide was healing. Then Obama ramped up identity politics to drive the wedge back in.

[squistion]

2 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The racial divide was healing. Then Obama ramped up identity politics to drive the wedge back in.

That is revisionist history and complete nonsense, but carry on.

[Fireballer]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

Well, in the Chauvin case the jury didn't think it was premeditated, so that was why he was convicted of unintentional second-degree murder, third-degree murder, and second-degree manslaughter.

I don't believe this killing was premeditated and a different jury might have convicted Karmelo Anthony of the lesser manslaughter charge. 

Jfc dude, premeditation doesn’t matter in Texas and Anthony was convicted of an intentional act.  The word premeditated or planned isn’t even in the statute. To compare sentences i between intentional and unintentional acts is, like I said, moronic. In addition Chauvin only got his pushed to 22.5 for an aggravating circumstance.  The crime itself was 12.5.  Maybe you should stick to your own advice…reading is fundamental. 

[Maximum Overkill]

40 minutes ago, squistion said:

Yes, so said the jury. 

And the fact that he killed a Man 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Doesn’t Texas have the death penalty? I’m a bit let down.  

[squistion]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Jfc dude, premeditation doesn’t matter in Texas an Anthony was convicted of an intentional act.  To compare sentences i between intentional and unintentional acts is, like I said, moronic. In addition Chauvin only got his pushed to 22.5 for an aggravating circumstance.  The crime itself was 12.5.  Maybe you should stick to your own advice…reading is fundamental. 

But he could have been convicted of the manslaughter charge in which it would have to have been proven that he "recklessly caused the death of a person" (and being reckless doesn't necessarily mean that an act was intentional).

Also, before closing arguments, Anthony's defense attorney also objected to the jury instructions not including criminally negligent homicide as a lesser charge that the jury could consider. I think the judge should have included that option.

[Hardcore troubadour]

Father of 7, Johnathan Pettigrew, 41, was gunned down in the Bronx aboard a bus after asking a teen to lower the volume of a phone. NY passed the “raise the age” act in 2018. 

[squistion]

14 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

And the fact that he killed a Man 

That is always the case when the jury returns with a guilty verdict in a murder case...that someone was killed.

[Fireballer]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

But he could have been convicted of the manslaughter charge in which it would have to have been proven that he "recklessly caused the death of a person" (and being reckless doesn't necessarily mean that an act was intentional).

Also, before closing arguments, Anthony's defense attorney also objected to the jury instructions not including criminally negligent homicide as a lesser charge that the jury could consider. I think the judge should have included that option.

Thanks goodness the judge and jury, who had all the evidence, made the choice and not some internet rube. 

[squistion]

1 minute ago, Fireballer said:

Thanks goodness the judge and jury, who had all the evidence, made the choice and not some internet rube. 

Which is not to say that the jury reached the correct decision, as they don't always get it right, see O.J., Robert Blake, Kyle Rittenhouse, George Zimmerman, etc.

[Strike]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Which is not to say that the jury reached the correct decision, as they don't always get it right, see O.J., Robert Blake, Kyle Rittenhouse, George Zimmerman, etc.

Just because YOU disagree with a verdict doesn't make it wrong.  What would be more compelling would be cases overturned on appeal.  None of the ones you cited were which suggests that jury did in fact get it right in those cases.

[jerryskids]

33 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

The racial divide was healing. Then Obama ramped up identity politics to drive the wedge back in.

Imagine if this murder happened while Saint Barack the Great Uniter was still president, telling people that Karmelo could have been his son.  Dallas would be on fire.

[Fireballer]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

Which is not to say that the jury reached the correct decision, as they don't always get it right, see O.J., Robert Blake, Kyle Rittenhouse, George Zimmerman, etc.

I don’t even know what to say anymore to someone who so woefully misunderstands our legal system.

[Meglamaniac]

7 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I don’t even know what to say anymore to someone who so woefully misunderstands our legal system.

How about STFU squissy

[TimHauck]

41 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

Jfc dude, premeditation doesn’t matter in Texas and Anthony was convicted of an intentional act.  The word premeditated or planned isn’t even in the statute. To compare sentences i between intentional and unintentional acts is, like I said, moronic. In addition Chauvin only got his pushed to 22.5 for an aggravating circumstance.  The crime itself was 12.5.  Maybe you should stick to your own advice…reading is fundamental. 

So you have no issue with Chauvin’s conviction, correct?

[squistion]

9 minutes ago, Fireballer said:

I don’t even know what to say anymore to someone who so woefully misunderstands our legal system.

I have a J.D. so arguably I understand it as well or better than most folks here. 

[Strike]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

I have a J.D. so arguably I understand it as well or better than most folks here. 

From the University of American Samoa Law School?

[Fireballer]

4 minutes ago, squistion said:

I have a J.D. so arguably I understand it as well or better than most folks here. 

So does Jasmine Crockett.  Congrats

[jonmx]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

It may be, it may not be.

I would like to see the sentences given in that jurisdiction for a similar crimes. In Minnesota Derek Chauvin got 22.5 years for murdering George Floyd which we all saw on video. 

This was not a premediated act and was a "heat of the moment" killing IMO, so a finding of manslaughter was probably more justified. But I can't say as I wasn't in the courtroom and didn't see the evidence that was presented to the jury. 

Well then as usual you are clueless.  Texas law does not require premeditation for murder.    You are effing horrendous on legal analysis.   

[Fireballer]

21 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you have no issue with Chauvin’s conviction, correct?

Oh boy our other legal scholar, Mr Gotcha, has arrived.

Well, Esquire, of course you know that sentencing and conviction are two entirely different things.  All of my remarks addressed the sentencing phase.  His conviction is literally a non factor in my post.

[Maximum Overkill]

28 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

So you have no issue with Chauvin’s conviction, correct?

No, he ridded our society of an 8 time convicted felon. He can no longer hurt women. Aren't you happy about that? 

This Karmelo kid murdered an innocent kid. He's where he belongs, so predictable 

[jonmx]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

The prosecution claimed his running away indicated a "guilty mindset."

Yeah, that could be the case, but it could also be that he panicked and feared for life at the hands of a white mob. Anthony's defense team contended that he fled in a state of "fear and chaos" following the deadly, split-second altercation.

Although he was not required to do so, Anthony should have testified on his own behalf to give the jurors his state of mind and how he perceived what has happened, before, during and after the killing. I don't know if his attorneys made that decision or he did, but it was the wrong one, as the result couldn't have been any worse.

His state of mind was irrelevant.  The only thing that matters in Texas was if the act was intentional to harm than it is murder.   His only defense would be to prove he acted in self-defense or by showing sticking a knife into the chest was somehow accidental.  Not one piece of evidence was provided that showed either.  Putting him on the stand and having him try to make up some story which contradicts what dozens of witnesses testified too, would have pissed off the jury and he would have gotten the full 99 years.  This was as simple as it gets for a jury, it was clearly murder.  

[blick]

2 hours ago, squistion said:

It may be, it may not be.

I would like to see the sentences given in that jurisdiction for a similar crimes. In Minnesota Derek Chauvin got 22.5 years for murdering George Floyd which we all saw on video. 

This was not a premediated act and was a "heat of the moment" killing IMO, so a finding of manslaughter was probably more justified. But I can't say as I wasn't in the courtroom and didn't see the evidence that was presented to the jury. 

I think comparing this incident to the George Floyd murder is asinine and ridiculous.  George Floyd contributed to his murder by resisting arrest.  Anthony went looking for a fight and committed murder in the process.