SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: More money is needed to teach kids to read? Really? We’re not talking about Algebra. We are talking about reading for gods sake. I clearly said that’s the leftist response. I said I believe in national standards. Quote
Fnord Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 minute ago, cyclone24 said: I’m more talking about reimbursement for services as a doctor rather than paying off their loans. OK we can talk about that. In countries in which healthcare is nationalized, those governments are negotiating fixed prices for services. That isn't happening here. That's why the money paid by the gov't isn't "enough." Most other places in the world, it would be. Part of my job involves ensuring I have enough disposable and durable medical goods available to cover need in my department. The most egregious example of the distortion in our system that comes to mind: Transport of used (soiled) surgical instruments is very strict. In order to comply, my hospital is required to use specific locking totes for transport. They're great; red plastic with locks and a basket within. Can't cost more than a couple bucks each to manufacture. But because they're "healthcare specific" they cost about $280 each. For the small ones. The big ones are over $400. You could probably buy the equivalent merchandise, minus the "healthcare" specs, for about $30 at a big box store. Why such ridiculous markups? Because prices aren't negotiated, and as a result hospitals overcharge for pretty much everything, under the excuse of "subsidizing uninsured care and facility expenses." If you follow along, it's simply called profiteering. And it's endemic in healthcare. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 19 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: You care more about ICE and a reflecting pool than you do kids getting a basic education. I’ll tell you about the importance of corruption. Come see the Orleabs Parish School Board. Multiple indictments over the years. And law enforcement? OPP & NOPD both under prior federal oversight decrees. And the Sheriff was indicted by the state. A suburban sheriff just resigned because he was indicted for attacking a blogger who had criticized him online. Yes, malfeasance & misfeasance are inexorably tied to each other. Watching Trump is like every bad corruption story & lesson from Louisiana history written large including & especially Huey Long. We’re no. 50 for a reason. Quote
Big Guy Posted July 6 Posted July 6 "Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money" 1 Quote
Strike Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Ohh the agony of Obamacare. Ohhh we have a concept of an idea of a plan for health care. That program - a Romney-Republican solution by the way - isn’t going anywhere. And why does it exist? Because of skyrocketing health care. Obama shaved off a lot of political capital in the Midwest btw for that. See this is a perfect example of what ails this nation: 1) We agree that the driver of health care reform was health care costs. Now, a rational person would say "hey, let's address health care costs" in that situation. But did our government? Nope. Not a bit. Instead, they decided to let the health care industry write the damn law and then just subsidize it with other people's money. 2) Now that everyone thinks they're ENTITLED to it we can't get rid of it. WINNING Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted July 6 Posted July 6 43 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I’ll tell you about the importance of corruption. Come see the Orleabs Parish School Board. Multiple indictments over the years. And law enforcement? OPP & NOPD both under prior federal oversight decrees. And the Sheriff was indicted by the state. A suburban sheriff just resigned because he was indicted for attacking a blogger who had criticized him online. Yes, malfeasance & misfeasance are inexorably tied to each other. Watching Trump is like every bad corruption story & lesson from Louisiana history written large including & especially Huey Long. We’re no. 50 for a reason. Again, the very basics, like reading, are not being accomplished. They used to be. Come on answer man, tell us why? Kids got dumb? Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Again, the very basics, like reading, are not being accomplished. They used to be. Come on answer man, tell us why? Kids got dumb? Sorry, when were Louisiana & NO public schools good vs nationally? Literacy has been among the lowest here since forever. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said: Sorry, when were Louisiana & NO public schools good vs nationally? Literacy has been among the lowest here since forever. I’m talking about the country as a whole. Why do you do this? Just acknowledge that ever since the left seized ownership of our education system it has produced systemically worse results, across the board. When is the last time a federal budget cut funding for education? Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: I’m talking about the country as a whole. Why do you do this? Just acknowledge that ever since the left seized ownership of our education system it has produced systemically worse results, across the board. When is the last time a federal budget cut funding for education? HT I don’t mean to get into it with you. Fair enough, that sounds right. So what are you proposing then? Iirc Nixon created the DOE. The problems & reasons he did that for will just return. And how are we supposed to coordinate a response to - communist - China without a national education strategy? You really want to just leave it up to the Orleans Parishes & Cook Counties out there? Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted July 6 Posted July 6 3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: HT I don’t mean to get into it with you. Fair enough, that sounds right. So what are you proposing then? Iirc Nixon created the DOE. The problems & reasons he did that for will just return. And how are we supposed to coordinate a response to - communist - China without a national education strategy? You really want to just leave it up to the Orleans Parishes & Cook Counties out there? Here you are, doing whatever you can to lay blame on the other side. It was Jimmy Carter. You people are like little league parents that can’t see that their kid has flaws. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 Just now, Hardcore troubadour said: Here you are, doing whatever you can to lay blame on the other side. It was Jimmy Carter. You people are like little league parents that can’t see that their kid has flaws. You’re right, 1980. I’m just asking you what you’re proposing. China is force-drilling its children on engineering & computing. Quote
cyclone24 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Fnord said: OK we can talk about that. In countries in which healthcare is nationalized, those governments are negotiating fixed prices for services. That isn't happening here. That's why the money paid by the gov't isn't "enough." Most other places in the world, it would be. Part of my job involves ensuring I have enough disposable and durable medical goods available to cover need in my department. The most egregious example of the distortion in our system that comes to mind: Transport of used (soiled) surgical instruments is very strict. In order to comply, my hospital is required to use specific locking totes for transport. They're great; red plastic with locks and a basket within. Can't cost more than a couple bucks each to manufacture. But because they're "healthcare specific" they cost about $280 each. For the small ones. The big ones are over $400. You could probably buy the equivalent merchandise, minus the "healthcare" specs, for about $30 at a big box store. Why such ridiculous markups? Because prices aren't negotiated, and as a result hospitals overcharge for pretty much everything, under the excuse of "subsidizing uninsured care and facility expenses." If you follow along, it's simply called profiteering. And it's endemic in healthcare. Yeah, I mean it’s not gonna be apples to apples but if you apply that same logic to reimbursement of services for these doctors once you start fixing the price or negotiating as you called it from the government. Well, they’re certainly not going to give them more money. Quote
cyclone24 Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Everyone has their ox being gored. I’m in a Ruby red state and I & we all ***love to go to our Saints & Tigers games where millions of state dollars have flowed. I see people reading their Breitbart while sitting during the national anthem in their seats funded by god knows what taxes. Ha true true Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted July 6 Posted July 6 1 hour ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: You’re right, 1980. I’m just asking you what you’re proposing. China is force-drilling its children on engineering & computing. I propose that teachers teach kids how to read and don’t proceed to the next step until they do. And maybe remove the disruptive kids from class. Oh yeah, can’t do that. Thanks Obama. 1 Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted July 7 Posted July 7 All of the cities flying their flags upside down for the 4th were liberal run cities. This isn't a red flag for board libs. Go figure. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 7 Posted July 7 1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said: All of the cities flying their flags upside down for the 4th were liberal run cities. This isn't a red flag for board libs. Go figure. Didn’t Justice Alito do that in front of his own home? Quote
HellToupee Posted July 7 Posted July 7 3 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Didn’t Justice Alito do that in front of his own home? His wife did as the story goes. If you can’t see the difference between a private home and a government building I can’t help you Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted July 7 Posted July 7 2 minutes ago, HellToupee said: His wife did as the story goes. If you can’t see the difference between a private home and a government building I can’t help you Of course I can, it’s a fair distinction but as to personal beliefs it’s a distinction without a difference. Quote
Caine Mutiny Posted July 7 Author Posted July 7 So my if choices are: 1. Vote for a self-professed Democratic socialist who generally governs on economic issues like a Democratic socialist (EXCEPT for the critical issues of trade and immigration) and supports most of the social (woke) issues I agree with. 2. Vote for a Republican who talks a lot about hating socialism yet governs like a socialist, corporatist, collectivist with anti-capitalist positions on immigration and trade and is opposed to most of the social (woke) issues I agree with. It’s not really a difficult choice. And I honestly think a lot of you guys arguing against socialism here are lying to yourselves. Unless you’re voting for the libertarian in every election you’re basically voting for some kind of socialism. 1 Quote
League Champion Posted July 7 Posted July 7 2 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said: So my if choices are: 1. Vote for a self-professed Democratic socialist who generally governs on economic issues like a Democratic socialist (EXCEPT for the critical issues of trade and immigration) and supports most of the social (woke) issues I agree with. 2. Vote for a Republican who talks a lot about hating socialism yet governs like a socialist, corporatist, collectivist with anti-capitalist positions on immigration and trade and is opposed to most of the social (woke) issues I agree with. It’s not really a difficult choice. And I honestly think a lot of you guys arguing against socialism here are lying to yourselves. Unless you’re voting for the libertarian in every election you’re basically voting for some kind of socialism. I guess everything is already free in your World. Quote
BudBro Posted July 8 Posted July 8 Even Keynes got it wrong...and that wasn't socialism (communism). Econ 101. Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted July 8 Posted July 8 Treason. You libs have no idea what you are trying to unleash on this country. The people who you think are on your side want pure chaos. Why would they want that? Because the more chaos that happens, the harder it is to pinpoint where the real issues are stemming from. Quote
Fireballer Posted July 8 Posted July 8 4 hours ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Treason. You libs have no idea what you are trying to unleash on this country. The people who you think are on your side want pure chaos. Why would they want that? Because the more chaos that happens, the harder it is to pinpoint where the real issues are stemming from. This is the end goal of ALL of the “Build Back Better” shat we heard from progressives under Biden, and for decades really. Every one who espouses the CRT/queer theory/stolen land/etc. wants to dismantle all systems and redistribute power to themselves. It’s why marginalized populations are so key to this. When you label a system as racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc, you must support the destruction of that system to be deemed virtuous and not lose any social credit. 1 Quote
League Champion Posted July 12 Posted July 12 Moderate Dems will be turning Republican thanks to this new Socialist Dem Party taking over. 2028 will be a Republican lock! Hakeem Jeffries is being pushed out Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted Tuesday at 12:33 AM Posted Tuesday at 12:33 AM <<< The Trump administration, now Intel’s largest shareholder, has also taken a hands-on approach to the company, keeping close tabs on the development of new manufacturing technologies and offering strategic guidance. This type of state capitalism is unprecedented in recent tech history, and isn’t without risks: If Intel fails to revitalize its chip-manufacturing business, Tan risks disappointing his government partners.>>> WSJ - It’s not socialism yall, it’s state capitalism. Quote
seafoam1 Posted Tuesday at 01:07 AM Posted Tuesday at 01:07 AM 32 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: <<< The Trump administration, now Intel’s largest shareholder, has also taken a hands-on approach to the company, keeping close tabs on the development of new manufacturing technologies and offering strategic guidance. This type of state capitalism is unprecedented in recent tech history, and isn’t without risks: If Intel fails to revitalize its chip-manufacturing business, Tan risks disappointing his government partners.>>> WSJ - It’s not socialism yall, it’s state capitalism. The liberals are fighting for communism. No one claims they have it yet. Quote
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Frozenbeernuts Posted Tuesday at 02:33 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:33 PM Wait, a Muslim wants to abolish the US senate? Color me soo shocked. Yes liberals are getting this extreme. People like Fsnores will go one of two ways. They will either see the light and renounced their party, or because their brain can't handle reconciling what they have become, they will lean fully into the madness. You can already see it with Cain. Who has a mental illness if people haven't figured it out yet. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted Tuesday at 02:45 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:45 PM 13 hours ago, Voltaire said: Moar Free Stuff! This President just now is rolling out a program to put government funds into stock accounts with his name on the accounts. Quote
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SaintsInDome2006 Posted Tuesday at 02:46 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:46 PM 13 hours ago, seafoam1 said: The liberals are fighting for communism. No one claims they have it yet. But Trump is certainly trying. Quote
Hardcore troubadour Posted Tuesday at 02:54 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:54 PM Keep showing Europe. Keep letting these DSA mongrels talk away. They’re going to hand us another one. Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:58 PM 4 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said: Keep showing Europe. Keep letting these DSA mongrels talk away. They’re going to hand us another one. A few more centrists and libs will defect. Let them talk all the way to the election. Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted Tuesday at 02:59 PM Posted Tuesday at 02:59 PM Hmm not much from the left on a Muslim wanting to abolish the senate. Weird. Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted Tuesday at 03:03 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:03 PM 4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Hmm not much from the left on a Muslim wanting to abolish the senate. Weird. Link to inform people would help amigo. Quote
Engorgeous George Posted Tuesday at 03:08 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:08 PM We were gifted a remarkable legacy. Lack of appreciation for that legacy will be its undoing. The legacy allowed excellence, it allowed achievement, it allowed success. It did not bequeth those things, it only bequethed the possibility of success. The indolent decided they did not want the possibiity of success, they wanted a guarantee they would get the fruits of success whether they work for it or not. They see oppression in the success of others as they lay about not following the well delineated roadmap to success which is hard work and deferred gratification. They demand it and are willing to use their electoral power to get them the fruits of others labors. The thing is they dismantal the system which has produced what they covet. They kill the goose that laid the golden egg as they have decided the one time goose dinner is better than a lifetime of eggs. Short-sighted. 1 Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted Tuesday at 03:23 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:23 PM 19 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: Link to inform people would help amigo. Look up a few posts 1 Quote
SaintsInDome2006 Posted Tuesday at 03:44 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:44 PM 1 hour ago, Frozenbeernuts said: Wait, a Muslim wants to abolish the US senate? Color me soo shocked. Yes liberals are getting this extreme. People like Fsnores will go one of two ways. They will either see the light and renounced their party, or because their brain can't handle reconciling what they have become, they will lean fully into the madness. You can already see it with Cain. Who has a mental illness if people haven't figured it out yet. I mostly agree with you. This is anti-constitutional. My only issue is ideology is not a mental disease, it’s ideology. Quote
Frozenbeernuts Posted Tuesday at 03:47 PM Posted Tuesday at 03:47 PM 2 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said: I mostly agree with you. This is anti-constitutional. My only issue is ideology is not a mental disease, it’s ideology. Cain has a literal mental illness. I'm not even referring to his TDS. Quote
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