The Suicide of Europe

[edjr]

one could say….

It’s the final countdown

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

2 hours ago, Fnord said:

You've noticed that too? When he says it, he's always spewing crap he knows damn well isn't true, but he says it anyway.

It's like a poker tell. It's his version of Teddy KGB and the oreo.

Why don't you two get a room already?  Jesus, I've never seen two guys hang on each other's nutsacks as much as you two.  Gross.

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

2 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said:

Lol you always write “it’s not even debatable at this point” and every time you do it’s always about something that you’re 100% wrong about. 
 

So I guess I agree with you…

Yeah, sure.  You're the guy who LITERALLY always wrong about every subject you talk about, but here you are, pointing fingers. 

Guy who's party has literally put several communists in office is somehow proclaiming they're not moving far left at all.  GTFO  

I'm sorry the truth is difficult for you to face, but it WILL lead you to a better place.  One of logic, reason and how the world actually works.  Your support for Communists will end with your demise.  You've been warned.

[shadrap]

9 hours ago, Voltaire said:

I honestly don't know the story of whatever the Jewish community did (or allegedly did) to rile up the Nazis in Weimar days but I suppose real instances of rape would have been a great way to set them off. What's been going on in Britain and the rest of Europe in the last ten years since Angela Merkel flooded the EU with migrants has been an ongoing demographic disaster due to the failure/unwillingness of a large number of migrants to assimilate. The people there are getting more and more fed up with having to live that way. The Jews in Germany and the rest of Europe were already well assimilated as they'd had hundreds of years and countless generations living there beforehand, and were far more likely to be the victims of crimes and discrimination rather than the offenders (or so it seems to me). The anti-Semitism was real. Jews also had good education and jobs.

This is not the case today. These migrants are massively disproportionally male, unskilled, and prone to crime and leeching off the welfare state.

Europe is just now waking up to how big a problem has been foisted on them by their corporate globalist overlords in Brussles, who have zero regard for the customs and traditions of the various European populations they are supposed to represent.

Somewhere recently posted, there was a video, and whatever trust the source, which seems believable but if in doubt is certainly verifiable, comparing the rates of rapes in Britain, France, Germany, and Poland over the last 20 years. There have been upwards of 5x more rapes in Britain, France, and Germany over the last 20 years while Poland by contrast, which kept migrants out, rapes were cut in half in that time frame.

So it's real problem, not largely imaginary BS, like the accusations against the 1930 German Jews. And the solution isn't "the final solution"... it's "go home, here's a ticket."

Yep.  Great post.  Current immigration is not helping our great nation.  It is bringing it down

[Hardcore troubadour]

3 minutes ago, shadrap said:

Yep.  Great post.  Current immigration is not helping our great nation.  It is bringing it down

It’s become a net negative.  

[Frozenbeernuts]

This is the Stanford Prison Experiment playing out at scale in real time.

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

"Nooo it's not like that."

"Nooo it doesn't happen that often."

"Yes it's what we deserve."

 

[League Champion]

 

 

[Voltaire]

18 hours ago, jerryskids said:

The sad thing is, Tim is Jewish.  Nominally, anyway.

Maybe it's just me, but something that seems mor Kristallnacht is the increasing blaming of Jews for all of the problems in our country.  Heck, it's pretty much a core tenet of the Democratic Socialists of America party; I think it's in their platform.  Weird, I've missed your concern about this.

You mean like when Tim says "full stop"?   

Tim is the smiling cartoon chicken, giving the thumbs up sign, encouraging everyone to eat chicken.

[Frozenbeernuts]

Wow this kind of sounds like something a king would do. I thought the no kings rally was supposed to be about Trump.

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

The left holds no kings rallies because of their irrational fear over Trump being too powerful.

Then they ignore what is happening in the UK with the unchecked power of the left. Why don't they want citizens seeing content from other countries? Does anyone on the left here support this?

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

This is focked up. Arrested for offending Muslims. Crickets from the left.

 

[TimHauck]

35 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

This is focked up. Arrested for offending Muslims. Crickets from the left.

 

Cenk Uygur and Hasan Piker were barred from entering the UK

[Caine Mutiny]

Europe WILL commit suicide if they continue down this anti-immigrant xenophobic trend. But hopefully they won’t. 

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

Cenk Uygur and Hasan Piker were barred from entering the UK

What does that have to do with this guy getting arrested?

[TimHauck]

4 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

What does that have to do with this guy getting arrested?

The UK is not necessarily pro-Muslim if they are actively preventing Muslim commentators from entering.

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

The UK is not necessarily pro-Muslim if they are actively preventing Muslim commentators from entering.

That is not what my post was about. Not surprisingly you didn't understand. It was to highlight the crushing of speech in the UK. Which is what democrats proposed multiple times while Biden was in office. Because the left is all aligned across the globe.

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 hour ago, TimHauck said:

The UK is not necessarily pro-Muslim if they are actively preventing Muslim commentators from entering.

Your lack of intelligence offends me. You shouldn't post anything on social media until you get smarter. For the benefit of humanity, keep your thoughts to yourself.

[TimHauck]

1 minute ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

That is not what my post was about. Not surprisingly you didn't understand. It was to highlight the crushing of speech in the UK. Which is what democrats proposed multiple times while Biden was in office. Because the left is all aligned across the globe.

And not allowing Uygur and Piker to enter is also evidence of that as well, but now it’s preventing speech from people you don’t like. 

[Frozenbeernuts]

1 minute ago, TimHauck said:

And not allowing Uygur and Piker to enter is also evidence of that as well, but now it’s preventing speech from people you don’t like. 

Wow dude... you are hopeless

[TimHauck]

Just now, Frozenbeernuts said:

Wow dude... you are hopeless

You do think they should have been allowed to enter, correct?

[Frozenbeernuts]

7 minutes ago, TimHauck said:

You do think they should have been allowed to enter, correct?

Fock off.

[TimHauck]

45 minutes ago, Frozenbeernuts said:

Fock off.

I didn’t think that was a difficult question. 

[Fnord]

On 7/2/2026 at 4:12 PM, Mark Davis said:

I don't watch either of them.  Have they had a rally where someone Jewish is being accosted? 

Did you happen to watch what happened to Scott Wiener?  I feel pretty sure someone Jewish could show up to most Republican or conservative political rallies and be welcomed.  Someone like me could go to either.  But if you're Jewish and they know it, well, there are some places on the left you can't go.  I don't think some of the rise of these figures on the left are overcoming these antisemitic things they are saying, they are rising to prominence because of them.  This characteristic is a feature, not a bug.  I'm not sure how much more "progressive" Scott Wiener could be.  I find his politics to be completely wrong.  I also feel bad for what happened to him.

You and I can disagree, and most times we do.  But we both know someone on the right wouldn't be getting the pass and cover that Graham Platner is with a SS tattoo on him for two decades.  You add in what has happened to Scott Wiener, the coffee shop with Dan Goldman.  These events aren't one offs, they are occurring frequently and will continue to do so.  

Our current Secretary of War has a tattoo that has been called a Nazi-adjacent symbol. He has not removed it, whereas Platner has. But that's a digression. I don't care about Platner.

Are we sure the majority of the "problems" the left allegedly has with antisemitism aren't really more anti-Zionism? That's how I see it, and how I feel about it. Judaism is a religion, Zionism is politics. It's Israel's politics that are the issue, not how they worship. I hope and suspect that most people feel similarly. If it's legit antisemitism, then fock them.

The avowed racists, nationalists, white supremacists, and groypers are decidedly NOT under the progressive coalition's tent. And the current admin is full of, and animated by, those belief systems.

[Mark Davis]

11 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Our current Secretary of War has a tattoo that has been called a Nazi-adjacent symbol. He has not removed it, whereas Platner has. But that's a digression. I don't care about Platner.

Are we sure the majority of the "problems" the left allegedly has with antisemitism aren't really more anti-Zionism? That's how I see it, and how I feel about it. Judaism is a religion, Zionism is politics. It's Israel's politics that are the issue, not how they worship. I hope and suspect that most people feel similarly. If it's legit antisemitism, then fock them.

The avowed racists, nationalists, white supremacists, and groypers are decidedly NOT under the progressive coalition's tent. And the current admin is full of, and animated by, those belief systems.

I'm no Hegseth fan, my understanding is it's a Christian tattoo.  But Hegseth is appointed, not elected.  If you want to question antisemitism vs anti-Zionism on the left, I don't think you can dismiss Platner.  I believe that tattoo, candidates like el-Sayed in Michigan who can't bring himself to say whether Israel even has the right to exist, are not things that have to be forgiven on the left.  They are there because of those things.  You don't have to dig hard to find these statements and you can find pretty progressive people like Scott Wiener who I disagree with on most everything, but who haven't said these kinds of things or avoided saying basic things like Israel has the right to exist.  It's not necessary to nominate people who have said those things to find a progressive is my point, yet for some odd reason, these DSA folks all seem to have issues in that regard.  It's not a one off.

Sure there is antisemitism on the right as well and it needs to be dealt with.  But those folks aren't winning nominations in non competitive districts or states where they are assured of going to Congress.  There isn't a growing wave of that on the right, those people aren't taking more and more elections.

[Hardcore troubadour]

45 minutes ago, Fnord said:

Our current Secretary of War has a tattoo that has been called a Nazi-adjacent symbol. He has not removed it, whereas Platner has. But that's a digression. I don't care about Platner.

Are we sure the majority of the "problems" the left allegedly has with antisemitism aren't really more anti-Zionism? That's how I see it, and how I feel about it. Judaism is a religion, Zionism is politics. It's Israel's politics that are the issue, not how they worship. I hope and suspect that most people feel similarly. If it's legit antisemitism, then fock them.

The avowed racists, nationalists, white supremacists, and groypers are decidedly NOT under the progressive coalition's tent. And the current admin is full of, and animated by, those belief systems.

It’s from the crusades. Which a highly educated professional such as yourself should know pre dates naziism by quite a lot. Damn, can’t you people just ever accept the truth? It’s your guy with the Nazi tattoo. Deal with it. Fockin babies. 

[Fnord]

On 7/2/2026 at 4:26 PM, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Why don't you two get a room already?  Jesus, I've never seen two guys hang on each other's nutsacks as much as you two.  Gross.

Just because you have a tell/catchphrase doesn't mean I'm interested in Tim. He's not my type.

And the reason you've never seen anything like that is because you never see anything. I mean, how could you with your tongue running up and down Trump's titanic taint all day?

 

 

 

PS: I'm just giving you shlt because I find your use of that phrase funny, not because I want to re-engage in hostility with you. 

[TimHauck]

On 7/2/2026 at 5:12 PM, Mark Davis said:

I don't watch either of them.  Have they had a rally where someone Jewish is being accosted? 

Did you happen to watch what happened to Scott Wiener?  I feel pretty sure someone Jewish could show up to most Republican or conservative political rallies and be welcomed.  Someone like me could go to either.  But if you're Jewish and they know it, well, there are some places on the left you can't go.  I don't think some of the rise of these figures on the left are overcoming these antisemitic things they are saying, they are rising to prominence because of them.  This characteristic is a feature, not a bug.  I'm not sure how much more "progressive" Scott Wiener could be.  I find his politics to be completely wrong.  I also feel bad for what happened to him.

You and I can disagree, and most times we do.  But we both know someone on the right wouldn't be getting the pass and cover that Graham Platner is with a SS tattoo on him for two decades.  You add in what has happened to Scott Wiener, the coffee shop with Dan Goldman.  These events aren't one offs, they are occurring frequently and will continue to do so.  

Strongly disagree with almost all of what you wrote here.

The left as a whole has no issue with Jewish people, there are probably more Jewish people on the left than the right.   Sure there are some antisemites on the left but nearly all of the criticism is truly about Israel and not Judaism (and the right has a bigger problem with true antisemitism).   Both the Scott Wiener pride parade incident (and obviously I’m not excusing assault), and the Goldman coffee shop incident were inspired by anti-Zionism, not antisemitism.    Wiener mentioned another incident at a bar which was actually antisemitic, but not clear if that was from a lib or not.   Of course Wiener has been the victim of multiple threats from right wingers as well - (https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-state-sen-scott-wieners-215812080.html)

Someone on the right did get a pass for being a self described Nazi.  R’s nominated him for Governor of NC and still let him run after the story came out.  Over 2 million people voted for him.

I’ve said this to @jerryskids as he’s done it, but what’s really antisemitic, is people that assume Jewish people in America should support the actions of the Israeli government and military.  There’s a growing number that don’t.

 

[TimHauck]

1 hour ago, Mark Davis said:

I'm no Hegseth fan, my understanding is it's a Christian tattoo.  But Hegseth is appointed, not elected.  If you want to question antisemitism vs anti-Zionism on the left, I don't think you can dismiss Platner.  I believe that tattoo, candidates like el-Sayed in Michigan who can't bring himself to say whether Israel even has the right to exist, are not things that have to be forgiven on the left.  They are there because of those things.  You don't have to dig hard to find these statements and you can find pretty progressive people like Scott Wiener who I disagree with on most everything, but who haven't said these kinds of things or avoided saying basic things like Israel has the right to exist.  It's not necessary to nominate people who have said those things to find a progressive is my point, yet for some odd reason, these DSA folks all seem to have issues in that regard.  It's not a one off.

Sure there is antisemitism on the right as well and it needs to be dealt with.  But those folks aren't winning nominations in non competitive districts or states where they are assured of going to Congress.  There isn't a growing wave of that on the right, those people aren't taking more and more elections.

Not wanting to fund another country’s war crimes is a popular position, who knew?  And it is certainly growing in popularity on the right as well of course, albeit moreso with the voters themselves.  I’m sure you’ll point to Massie losing to claim they’re not, but when it comes to support of Israel nationally, it’s largely just old fart Republicans that are left in that camp.

[EternalShinyAndChrome]

1 hour ago, Fnord said:

Just because you have a tell/catchphrase doesn't mean I'm interested in Tim. He's not my type.

And the reason you've never seen anything like that is because you never see anything. I mean, how could you with your tongue running up and down Trump's titanic taint all day?

PS: I'm just giving you shlt because I find your use of that phrase funny, not because I want to re-engage in hostility with you. 

Fair enough - we're good. I don't want to start that up either.  I consider you one of my BFF's! 

[Fnord]

22 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

Fair enough - we're good. I don't want to start that up either.  I consider you one of my BFF's! 

What I didn't say is that you're more my type. 

[Fnord]

2 hours ago, Mark Davis said:

I'm no Hegseth fan, my understanding is it's a Christian tattoo.  But Hegseth is appointed, not elected.  If you want to question antisemitism vs anti-Zionism on the left, I don't think you can dismiss Platner.  I believe that tattoo, candidates like el-Sayed in Michigan who can't bring himself to say whether Israel even has the right to exist, are not things that have to be forgiven on the left.  They are there because of those things.  You don't have to dig hard to find these statements and you can find pretty progressive people like Scott Wiener who I disagree with on most everything, but who haven't said these kinds of things or avoided saying basic things like Israel has the right to exist.  It's not necessary to nominate people who have said those things to find a progressive is my point, yet for some odd reason, these DSA folks all seem to have issues in that regard.  It's not a one off.

Sure there is antisemitism on the right as well and it needs to be dealt with.  But those folks aren't winning nominations in non competitive districts or states where they are assured of going to Congress.  There isn't a growing wave of that on the right, those people aren't taking more and more elections.

I'm not trying to dismiss Platner. I just can't vote for him and don't really care. If I could, I don't think I would.

Admittedly where my viewpoint has a blind spot is when a devout Muslim or Palestinian gets elected. I don't know if Ilhan Omar is an antisemite but it sure wouldn't surprise me. I won't ever defend bigotry, but when you've seen {insert religion here} doing horrible things to your people, hatred is a bit more justified than when internet randos start buying into conspiracy memes about great replacement theory or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

To your last paragraph; give it time. The younger conservatives are seemingly moving in that direction. 

[Mark Davis]

Just now, Fnord said:

I'm not trying to dismiss Platner. I just can't vote for him and don't really care. If I could, I don't think I would.

Admittedly where my viewpoint has a blind spot is when a devout Muslim or Palestinian gets elected. I don't know if Ilhan Omar is an antisemite but it sure wouldn't surprise me. I won't ever defend bigotry, but when you've seen {insert religion here} doing horrible things to your people, hatred is a bit more justified than when internet randos start buying into conspiracy memes about great replacement theory or the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

To your last paragraph; give it time. The younger conservatives are seemingly moving in that direction. 

Well, looks increasingly he may not last the week and stay on the ballot.  That's unfolding as I type this.  It's "friendly fire" from Democrats though, from my understanding he can still be replaced on the ballot.  Republicans have no interest in sinking him today when they could wait another week and then do it.

 

[TimHauck]

9 minutes ago, Fnord said:

 

To your last paragraph; give it time. The younger conservatives are seemingly moving in that direction. 

Yup.  Once the old heads die off it will be interesting to see if the R’s as a whole change their tune on Israel.

[Fnord]

4 minutes ago, Mark Davis said:

Well, looks increasingly he may not last the week and stay on the ballot.  That's unfolding as I type this.  It's "friendly fire" from Democrats though, from my understanding he can still be replaced on the ballot.  Republicans have no interest in sinking him today when they could wait another week and then do it.

 

If he's got real skeletons in the closet, then good on the Dems for booting him. Maybe they learned a lesson from the Biden fiasco. Assuming of course they're capable of learning from past mistakes.

[TBayXXXVII]

On 7/2/2026 at 9:25 AM, Mike Hunt said:

What is puzzling is people leave these chithole countries for a so-called better life, then right away they try to turn their new countries into the same chithole countries they left.

 

Democrats do the same thing here.

[TimHauck]

On 7/2/2026 at 2:23 PM, Kopy said:

Candace Owens lost her fricken mind several years ago. She's become very left. Not far left into the communism territory that your party has become. But the democratic that you guy's once were. She's also flip-flopped in the last 2years than John Kerry and Mitt Romney combined. 

That's a bad example of whatever you're trying to say. Carlson. I can't comment on. I've never payed any attention to him, or listened to him. Owens hasn't turned Mamdani or AOC level radical. But she's definitely become Warren/Sanders level.

 

Candace Owens is on the right.  This is indisputable.

[jerryskids]

On 7/6/2026 at 11:59 AM, TimHauck said:

Yup.  Once the old heads die off it will be interesting to see if the R’s as a whole change their tune on Israel.

It's a shame that my generation dropped the ball and let your generation be educated by the lie of "Orientalism," teaching you that barbaric Islamic terrorists were the good guys and the western democratic Israel the bad guys.  We were able to believe the sights of our eyes; you guys, notsomuch.   

[nobody]

On 7/2/2026 at 6:16 AM, Caine Mutiny said:

This is why I give money every month to the ACLU.

 

[Frozenbeernuts]

African: Gimme gimme gimme

Now I wonder what happens when you take a group of very low iq people, bring them into your country, and give them an over inflated sense of entitlement.

You literally create a rabid army. An army who wants to leave their sht hole country to turn your country into a sht hole country.