Muslim immigrants in America-good?

[shadrap]

I'm thinking no.  They don't assimilate.  America is great because of founding principles.  From what I've gathered most Muslim countries are shotholes except those with oil.  Name an Islam country, without oil that is thriving.

I'm very open to change but right now I don't see any redeeming qualities in Islam that would make our Country better.

not asking for a friend, genuinely interested.

 

[listen2me 23]

5 pages of everyone repeating their stance incoming.  

[Ron_Artest]

Muslims are the new trannies.

[Strike]

I am not opposed, with proper vetting and in appropriate quantities.  The problem is the libs and elites trying to flood this country with poor people dependent on the government without regard to vetting to avoid people inconsistent with our way of life and value system.

[MikeMatt]

5 pages of everyone repeating their stance incoming.  

[Hardcore troubadour]

43 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Muslims are the new trannies.

I told you these people forgot 9/11

[Ron_Artest]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I told you these people forgot 9/11

You never said sh1t about the trump family being funded by Saudi Arabia.

[HellToupee]

12 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I told you these people forgot 9/11

It’s so sad

[Hardcore troubadour]

20 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You never said sh1t about the trump family being funded by Saudi Arabia.

Yes I have.  I don’t like it, at all. 

[HellToupee]

1 hour ago, shadrap said:

I'm thinking no.  They don't assimilate.  America is great because of founding principles.  From what I've gathered most Muslim countries are shotholes except those with oil.  Name an Islam country, without oil that is thriving.

I'm very open to change but right now I don't see any redeeming qualities in Islam that would make our Country better.

not asking for a friend, genuinely interested.

 

agree

[Hardcore troubadour]

24 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

You never said sh1t about the trump family being funded by Saudi Arabia.

You never said shitt about Obama bowing to the Saudi King.  

[squistion]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You never said shitt about Obama bowing to the Saudi King.  

Wasn't that per custom?

[Hardcore troubadour]

5 minutes ago, squistion said:

Wasn't that per custom?

You support Muslim customs? 

[squistion]

6 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

You support Muslim customs? 

Wasn't it considered part of diplomatic protocol for decades? And as I recall GOP Presidents before Obama also bowed (I remember seeing photos shared online).

[Hardcore troubadour]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

Wasn't it considered part of diplomatic protocol for decades? And as I recall GOP Presidents before Obama also bowed (I remember seeing photos shared online).

I’m sure Bush did. He sucks too. So, where are you on the customs of Muslim countries? You support them?

[Caine Mutiny]

There have been Muslims in this country since the beginning. Muslims fought for us in the Revolutionary War, in the Civil War. Muslims gave their lives for us in World War II. There are Muslim graves at Arlington, and on the Vietnam Wall. 
 

@shadrap, @HellToupee, others who agree with you: I want to think the best of you. I do. I think you’re misguided on this topic, and I hope you reconsider enough to change your mind. Your current views if enacted would bring dishonor to this country. 

[squistion]

5 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I’m sure Bush did. He sucks too. So, where are you on the customs of Muslim countries? You support them?

I support showing basic respect to the customs of any religion (like Kathy Hochul wearing a hijab at the Islamic Cultural Center of New York). Sorry you don't.

[Hardcore troubadour]

8 minutes ago, squistion said:

I support showing basic respect to the customs of any religion (like Kathy Hochul wearing a hijab at the Islamic Cultural Center of New York). Sorry you don't.

It is customary in Islam to take a child bride.  You respect that? 

[TimHauck]

2 hours ago, shadrap said:

I'm thinking no.  They don't assimilate. 

 

Zohran Mamdani seems pretty assimilated to me yet half the GC think he’s a jihadist.

[HellToupee]

1 hour ago, Caine Mutiny said:

There have been Muslims in this country since the beginning. Muslims fought for us in the Revolutionary War, in the Civil War

6 in the Revolutionary and 292 in the Civil war

[Hardcore troubadour]

43 minutes ago, HellToupee said:

6 in the Revolutionary and 292 in the Civil war

I doubt they were actual Muslims, considering the first mosque wasn’t built in the US until 1915. 

[squistion]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I doubt they were actual Muslims, considering the first mosque wasn’t built in the US until 1915. 

 

[Hardcore troubadour]

1 hour ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It is customary in Islam to take a child bride.  You respect that? 

Squishy hiding again. 

[HellToupee]

Come on squissy @squistion

 

[Caine Mutiny]

1 hour ago, HellToupee said:

6 in the Revolutionary and 292 in the Civil war

At least you had the grace to look it up. But so what? The point is they’ve been among us the whole time. I urge you to reconsider your position. Treat people as individuals! There are good and bad Muslims just as there are good and bad in every group. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Liberals would rather us be more like present day Europe than the way we were 20 years ago.  

[Caine Mutiny]

2 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

It is customary in Islam to take a child bride.  You respect that? 

I’ll answer this. 
 

You statement is correct in some Muslim countries, not all. The taking of child brides is most common in rural areas, just as it was common in this country among Christians in rural areas as well, particularly in states like West Virginia and Kentucky. 

Child marriage does not deserve our respect. Neither do the backwards teachings of any of the major religions. Islam does not demand your respect however; like all religions it demands equal treatment under the law and those that practice it deserve to be treated like everybody else. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

I wonder why liberals think that as the Muslim population grows that we won’t encounter the same issues Europe is? 

[Caine Mutiny]

1 minute ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

I wonder why liberals think that as the Muslim population grows that we won’t encounter the same issues Europe is? 

What we think is that the issues in Europe are overstated by the same type of people whose ideas are so poisonous to a free society. 

[Hardcore troubadour]

Just to give y’all an idea as to what is going on in the UK, in 2013 there were apx. 16k rapes reported.  In 2025 there were 75k.  In the US in 2024 there were 127k, with quadruple, at least, the population. 

[Ron_Artest]

5 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Just to give y’all an idea as to what is going on in the UK, in 2013 there were apx. 16k rapes reported.  In 2025 there were 75k.  In the US in 2024 there were 127k, with quadruple, at least, the population. 

The change from 16k to ~70k in the UK reflects a total overhaul in how UK police record reports, not a quadrupling of crime. In 2014, the UK implemented strict National Crime Recording Standard reforms. UK police are required to record a reported allegation as a crime immediately upon receipt, regardless of evidence.

Comparing US FBI report counts to UK police logs ignores completely different legal definitions, reporting requirements, and crime survey methodology.

No Religious Causation: Criminological data shows rape is overwhelmingly committed by intimate partners or acquaintances regardless of faith or background, and official data refutes the claim that Muslims commit these crimes at a disproportionate rate overall. In England and Wales, the overwhelming majority of individuals convicted of sexual offences are white British men

[Hardcore troubadour]

Then there was the Muslim grooming report where it was found that over 250k white girls were groomed and raped by Muslim gangs over a ten year period. 

[TimHauck]

14 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then there was the Muslim grooming report where it was found that over 250k white girls were groomed and raped by Muslim gangs over a ten year period. 

Lying troubadour strikes again!

[Voltaire]

9 hours ago, Caine Mutiny said:

There have been Muslims in this country since the beginning. Muslims fought for us in the Revolutionary War, in the Civil War. Muslims gave their lives for us in World War II. There are Muslim graves at Arlington, and on the Vietnam Wall. 
 

@shadrap, @HellToupee, others who agree with you: I want to think the best of you. I do. I think you’re misguided on this topic, and I hope you reconsider enough to change your mind. Your current views if enacted would bring dishonor to this country. 

OMG. You're so full of sh*t. Stop making things up and lying. The left's complete perversion of American history is why people like you need to be quarantined from teaching it.

There were no Muslims in the Revolutionary War except possibly a half dozen sailors you might be talking about. They had no significant presence in the colonies, except maybe a small handful of Ottoman merchants living here. Whatever numbers you come up is going to be less than triple digits, and probably less than 50. The true, actual reality of Islam's relevance to early America can more accurately be described with the raids they took on American shipping in the Mediterranean and Atlantic from their bases in North Africa, where they which resulted in the American sailors being enslaved (yes, let's be crystal clear, the 18th and early 19th century Muslims, whose balls you are sucking then as now, were not fighting for America, they were instead capturing American citizens and taking them as slaves. Maybe, instead of lies claiming that "Muslims fought in the Revolutionary War (arf arf arf), you should point out that 20% of the United States' federal government's entire budget in 1795 was paid to Muslim slavers to ransom kidnapped US citizens out of slavery, the ones that hadn't yet died from disease, torture, and maltreatment). 

I do not know how many Muslims fought in the Revolitionary War but there were hundreds of American citizen-sailors held as slaves by North African Muslims. 

Weak, fledgling USA, from across the sea who could seemingly do nothing about it, was routinely getting preyed on by Muslim pirates. President Adams' solution was paying them tribute. President Jefferson, instead, built a navy and declared war on the Barbary states to put an end to this.

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Here are examples of diplomatic exchanges from the time:

our Articles of Confederation era (1780s) negotiators (Jefferson, Adams, and Franklin) reporting on their lack of progress:

“We took the liberty to make some enquiries concerning the ground of their pretensions to make war upon nations who had done them no injury, and observed that we considered all mankind as our friends who had done us no wrong, nor had given us any provocation.”

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their reply to us: “It was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”

[Ron_Artest]

25 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Then there was the Muslim grooming report where it was found that over 250k white girls were groomed and raped by Muslim gangs over a ten year period. 

No British government agency, law enforcement body, or official judicial inquiry has ever validated or produced a figure close to 250,000 for gang-based grooming cases.

Independent fact-checking organization Full Fact analyzed the methodology behind this number and found it is statistically unreliable. The 250,000 figure was created by taking local estimates from heavily affected towns (like Rotherham and Telford) and extrapolating those percentages across the entire population of the United Kingdom.

[TimHauck]

44 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

No British government agency, law enforcement body, or official judicial inquiry has ever validated or produced a figure close to 250,000 for gang-based grooming cases.

Independent fact-checking organization Full Fact analyzed the methodology behind this number and found it is statistically unreliable. The 250,000 figure was created by taking local estimates from heavily affected towns (like Rotherham and Telford) and extrapolating those percentages across the entire population of the United Kingdom.

It was also over longer than 10 years.

[Ron_Artest]

Hundreds of thousands of children sexually abused in the Catholic Church.  If you pray with the abusers every week and give them money you should look in the mirror.

[squistion]

2 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

The change from 16k to ~70k in the UK reflects a total overhaul in how UK police record reports, not a quadrupling of crime. In 2014, the UK implemented strict National Crime Recording Standard reforms. UK police are required to record a reported allegation as a crime immediately upon receipt, regardless of evidence.

Comparing US FBI report counts to UK police logs ignores completely different legal definitions, reporting requirements, and crime survey methodology.

No Religious Causation: Criminological data shows rape is overwhelmingly committed by intimate partners or acquaintances regardless of faith or background, and official data refutes the claim that Muslims commit these crimes at a disproportionate rate overall. In England and Wales, the overwhelming majority of individuals convicted of sexual offences are white British men

HT has been told that before and was given links for proof, but he ignores that and repeats the same stats like a parrot. 

[Ron_Artest]

3 minutes ago, squistion said:

HT has been told that before and was given links for proof, but he ignores that and repeats the same stats like a parrot. 

Thanks for the heads up, must have missed this during my timeout 

[Hardcore troubadour]

The Casey report was commissioned by the uk government. Look at liberals defending child rapists. Sickening.