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Historic First Statewide Audit of Paper Ballots Upholds Result of Presidential Race There were no fraudulent votes. That is a fact. Making a claim that there were hundreds of thousands of instances of fraud when there was IN FACT no instances of fraud is quite a detachment from the truth. So you have to ask yourself, did Trump know he was lying? Or is Trump a babe in the woods who was lied to and most certainly a victim. Tough call.

On the phone call, Trump claimed that there where three hundred thousand fake ballots and two hundred thousand forged signatures in Fulton County. That claim is false. The question is, Did Trump know it was false? Or did someone give him bad information and Trump was just searching for the truth…

Ah, gotcha. If I’m following you, you are saying Trump called Raffensberger specifically looking for 12k fraudulent votes. Not just votes in general. And that Trump’s (and I assume the other 18 defendants) intentions were honorable.

Beats me… you seem pretty confident there are, or at least where 12k fraudulent votes. Do you think Trumps lawyers will bring this up as part of his defense?

I would imagine that Trumps defense will expose these 12k fraudulent votes, or at least evidence of what happened to them. Seems like this whole thing would be over if that happens… I’m not a lawyer though…

Pretrial Order The deadline for proposals for jury instructions, verdict form and voir dire in USA v. Donald Trump in Washington DC federal court is January 15 Same day as Iowa caucuses

Shots of what? Peach Schnapps? Lagavulin 16?

Ah… putting on a helmet and bulletproof vest and locking arms to “vandalize” the Capitol of the United States of America is not a serious crime. I think I’ve found our disconnect…

So, the guys dressed in tactical gear that got in formation with one hand on the shoulder of the person in front of them marched up the steps… and the guys spraying cops in the face with bear spray… the guy who took a dump in the hallway of the Capitol… Are these guys deep state? Or did they fall victim to the deep state…

A hypothetical adversarial one.

Interesting. So… if an American citizen tried to aid another country… one of our adversaries… by say… giving them our gathered intelligence or military secrets… Thats treason, right?

You’re right. It is a lesser counterpart to treason. Seditious conspiracy is a crime in various jurisdictions of conspiring against the authority or legitimacy of the state. As a form of sedition, it has been described as a serious but lesser counterpart to treason, targeting activities that undermine the state without directly attacking it. Wiki

RIP I had the good fortune to tour his studio in Key West. It is a blank white building that looks like a utility type deal in the middle of a bunch of tourist shops. I didn’t meet him or anything, but all the stories say he was a genuine nice guy.

Yes. Well… Seditious Conspiracy. But that’s treason, right?

This is a childlike fantasy. I wish you could come out of the fog… There are over 1,100 J6 related cases in our federal court system. Trump world has hundreds of pending cases defending countless felonies… Team Crazy (Gulliani, Ellis, Sydney Powell, et. al) filed 64 lawsuits claiming voter fraud between Election Day and J6… lost em all. So… you might say that there has been ample opportunity to prove all this deep state corruption. Tell it to a judge, not a fantasy football message board. It’s not that the deep state, which I guess includes tens of thousands of people who work in our court system, is holding you down. It’s the fact that what you believe is not true.

This guy… went from the President of the largest chapter of Oath Keepers in America (Arizona) to deep state mastermind, able to entice a mob of thousands to commit violence against the United States of America by simply telling a few key knuckleheads that they wouldn’t be able to stop the peaceful transfer of power unless they “went in the building.” Pro-Trump protester Ray Epps files defamation suit against Fox News Lawyers for Epps accused Fox News of telling a "fantastical story" that he fueled the violence that erupted at the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

This… this is bullshirt. This is you in denial. This is you forgiving what you claim to hate. You don’t get a decade plus in prison for peaceful protesting. Once again it’s Jon the victim blaming a mysterious “them” for things he doesn’t want to admit he supports. Tell the truth… on the day this happened, watching as a protest turned violent, as what turned out to be a mixture of gullible Americans and seditious traitors stormed the seat of our democracy… you loved it. it’s exactly what you wish for, and you should be ashamed.

Here you are, cowardly calling me a Nazi… you need to do some honest introspective…

Whole lotta victims in this thread…

I just want to know what you’re referring to. You say there is a judge saying j6 equals 9-11… I just want a little context… I’m not fighting you.

This is all 100% bullshirt. Lies. Nothing. I’m really sorry, man. It would be so much easier if you were right… but you are spouting nothing but lies… do you ever ask yourself, where is the evidence? do you ever try to imagine how many actual humans would have to be in on the conspiracy for your theory to be correct? it’s impossible….

I don’t have cable, or cnn or whatever so… you brought up what a judge said so I thought you could provide a little context to your comment. I’m not going to google the points you’re trying to make…

I guess I’m not up to speed on what you’re referring to, but I’ll keep an open mind…

I agree that 9-11 is much, much, much, much, worse than J6… there is no comparison… That said, what are you referring to?

Brandi Buchman, who I believe is an independent journalist, live tweeted from the courtroom where both Dominic Pezzola and Eathan Nordean received their sentances today. There were some truly human and heartbreaking moments when the families of the defendants made their pleas to the judge for mercy on their father/husband. Its emotional stuff and shows the real, lasting damage done by those who had a role, weather a selfish role, or a stupid role, in the J6 nightmare. Ms. Buchman’s very long thread I’m not going to highlight much of her thread, but I will link a small section when Pezzolas two daughters and his wife made their statements in court. For me, when I was reading it, I had empathy for the defendant. Family Statements Pezzola: Now for the first time I messed up and i let the people who care and depend on me the most, down. He addresses his eldest daughter who couldnt be here today… Pezzola: Words could not express the pain and failure I feel towards you. i've missed so much of your life these last few years... missed your journey as a young woman in this world. I pray for the courts mercy to be there for you in the future. Pezzola addresses his youngest daughter: you've always been a daddy's girl and my heart is heavy with regret for not being there for you anymore. he sniffs. Lisa Magee, Pezzola's wife delivers a very emotional statement to court. She is immediately crying when she approaches the podium; through her tears, she says: In no way am I making excuses for Dominic's actions that day. As I said on the stand, he's a focking idiot" Angelina Pezzola, 19, now speaking. She gestures to her father and says, Your honor, look at my father. Look at me, she says. I am everything good that my father has done. I'm a college student, scientist, never got in trouble, i dont do drugs, drnk, he's contributed to all that. Angelina Pezzola: Please have mercy on him judge, that's all i ask. she waves to him as she walks past him. So yes, I found myself with empathy for Pazzola… But that empathy changed to anger and deep sorrow for his family, when Pazzola’s had one final thing to say… The set up Pezzola: Before j6, I never had to stand in a courtroom like this and I’m sure I’ll never be back. Pezzola: I stand before you with a heart full of regret. He has regret for actions at capitol. He adds: There is no place in my future for groups or politics whatsoever. Then… NOW: As Pezzola walks out of the courtroom, he pumps his fist in the ar and shouts "Trump won!" In the end, Pazzola got ten years. Nordean got 18 years. He destroyed his family too.