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If you believed what Trump was saying (which you did) then you are the one being manipulated by him.

They didn't lie. Like Trump and his lawyers they apparently didn't know the laws in NY Courts of Equity either. The spin is the truth, Trump could not have had a jury trial even if he asked for one, so he should stop lying about Engoron being "unfair"

From the link: "New York Attorney General Letitia James, who is prosecuting the lawsuit, brought the case seeking “equitable” relief, which does not allow for a jury trial" A jury trial was not allowed (apparently by statute when asking for equitable relief) so Trump is in no position to blame or complain about the judge (or even the DA) for this. The DA had the right to seek equitable relief and the judge had no discretion in the matter. Trump's lawyers should explain to him that a jury trial is not allowed when "equitable relief" is sought, so he doesn't continue to look foolish with his ignorant rants about how unfair Engoron is.

Chris Christie dropping out of the race seems to have gotten more attention that the debate itself.

Same with me.

And the percentage of Trump black votes both times?

That will never happen. And I don't really see why unions can't be allowed in government as opposed to the private sector.

Seems that way around here with all the vicious and nasty name calling that is used.

What is a public domain union?

Than who, Hitler or Mussolini? Mao and Stalin were ruthless dictators responsible for millions of deaths. There is nothing in current liberal ideology (like from Biden and Democratic Party) that in any way resembles their policies.

That is an absurd statement. Please.

Care to give us the percentage of the Black vote Trump got versus Obama?

And I met the burden with a fact check. If you can't accept a fact check and can't find one to the contrary, that is your problem, not mine.

Fine, provide a more recent fact check from a reputable source (not Aaron Rodgers).

Here we go jonny, wrong again: https://www.axios.com/2023/10/04/trump-fraud-trial-new-york-jury Why Trump's fraud trial in New York doesn't have a jury Former President Trump has repeatedly complained about the lack of a jury in his New York civil fraud trial, but his own legal team appears to have failed to request one. Why it matters: Trump has claimed it's "unfair" that the judge in the case opted for a bench trial, without a jury. But the court docket shows that while Attorney General Letitia James filed a document requesting a bench trial, Trump's lawyers never filed any corresponding document requesting a jury.

Not true and fact checkers have backed that up, which I gave a link to in another thread.

Trump agreed not to have a jury trial. There is a box he neglected to check in the court papers (you can find it online) where he could have asked for a jury trial. He chose not to. If he really was innocent as you claim he should have gone before a jury. But he opted not to.

Some legal experts think the sentence was reasonable. https://thedailybs.com/2024/01/09/clearly-got-a-break-legal-experts-weigh-in-on-ray-epps-skirting-jail-time/?utm_campaign=james&utm_content=1-10-24 Daily AM&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=Get response&utm_term=email Counsel for law firm Lewis Baach Kaufmann Middlemiss Marc Frazier Scholl told the DCNF that the sentencing was reasonable. “His conviction was for a misdemeanor to which he pleaded guilty,” Scholl told the DCNF. “The sentencing guidelines authorized a sentence of no jail. I am not aware of any other criminal convictions. He served honorably in the military. A probationary sentence under those circumstances was well within the judge’s discretion.”

Oh, the irony.

Or is always labeled as such.

No one on the left I know of loves Stalin, who actually was responsible for more deaths than Hitler.

That was the same guy I'm talking about (from Sherman Oaks) so that just makes one "leftist" to my count. The guy who was the FF league commissioner in Tim's league and who absconded with the league funds had nothing to do with his political ideology and I don't remember him being identified as liberal or conservative (but it is irrelevant in any event to the discussion).

Fact Check: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/11/17/fact-check-covid-19-vaccines-protect-against-infection-transmission/6403678001/ The claim: The COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, so it can't protect others Our rating: False Based on our research, we rate FALSE the claim that the COVID-19 vaccine doesn't stop you from getting or spreading the virus, so it can't protect others. While vaccinated individuals can get COVID-19, experts and public health officials say they are less likely to contract the virus than unvaccinated people. That means they're also less likely to spread the virus to others. When vaccinated people do get sick, the chances of severe illness, hospitalization or death are low. Research indicates they also get better faster than their unvaccinated counterparts.

I don't accept your premise that the vaccine is ineffective in stopping the spread of the virus and I believe most medical experts are in agreement with that.