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Yeah. Sick puppy.

Not true he still had to be given due process under the Constitution. And actually he had legal status at the time ICE grabbed him. In 2019, an immigration judge granted him the withholding of removal status due to the danger he faced from gang violence if he returned to El Salvador. Edited to add: I have never said that I thought of him as a sympathetic figure. I said in his thread, that this was not about Garcia the person, it was the larger legal principles of the case that he represented.

I don't know why Kavanaugh is being mentioned in the Kilmar Garcia thread. These situations are not really analagous. Christine Blasey Ford testified under oath at the televised Senate Kavanaugh hearings, and repeated the accusations that she had been sexually assaulted by Kavanaugh. We were all able to listen to her testimony and judge her credibility. In contrast, Garcia's wife has only given a written statement which indicates she did not find what was said in the protective order serious enough to follow through with and certainly not enough to merit deportation. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5255035-abrego-garcias-wife-statement-domestic-violence-protective-order/ Abrego Garcia’s wife issues statement on domestic violence protective order The wife of a Maryland man who the United States government mistakenly deported to a mega-prison in El Salvador stood in defense of her husband while acknowledging that she filed for a civil protective order four years ago. “After surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship, I acted out of caution following a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order, in case things escalated. Things did not escalate, and I decided not to follow through with the civil court process. We were able to work through the situation privately as a family, including by going to counseling,” Jennifer Vasquez Sura said in a statement to multiple outlets on Wednesday. [...] “Our marriage only grew stronger in the years that followed. No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect,” Sura said. “But that is not a justification for ICE’s action of abducting him and deporting him to a country where he was supposed to be protected from removal.” “Kilmar has always been a loving partner and father, and I will continue to stand by him and demand justice for him,” she added.

That was then and this is now. It won't win out in the end if Trump is able to end Democracy in this country as we know it, and that keeps looking more and more likely to me. After the SCOTUS ruling this week, Trump looks like he is planning to end birthright citizenship and once people born here are deported to some foreign country they have never seen and have no connection to, there is no reason to believe he will stop there...and who knows what group will be the next targets.

"seafoam" does seem miserable, and pathetic too, if he has nothing better to do than post in every thread in this forum all day long. I have him on ignore but when I see he was the most recent poster in a thread, I know I can skip it and won't miss anything.

Exactly. I was obviously referring to the charges for abuse (and that should be obvious in the context of what I said). I have never asserted that the domestic abuse "definitely didn't happen" (I have no opinion on the matter, maybe it did, maybe it didn't) but I do know that charges were never filed.

No problem as long as "the gays" have no visability. And I see some here are fantasizing that Trump can or should eliminate "Pride Month" and make it just for one day in dead of winter. The problem is that Trump (unlike other Presidents going back to Clinton) has never issued any official proclamations recognizing Pride Month (not during his first term as POTUS and not for 2025). So he can't really take away or eliminate something that he hasn't acknowledged ever existed. And if even if he did, Pride Parades and events would still be celebrated in the same towns and cities they have been for decades (nothing would really change).

To recap for those who are late to this discussion... People were claiming that Garcia should be deported because he beat his wife or committed spousal abuse. Fine, if it was proven he did that, then they would have a valid reason to deport him. However, it hasn't been proven, all we have all allegations from a petition that did not result in any charges being brought against him.

Don't hold your breath waiting to see that one. And I love the irony of people lying about what I've said and making up stuff in a fact checking thread about me.

Pride Month is almost over. So here's a tune for the homophobes to tide them over until June of next year. Orville Peck: "It's a song about gay cowboys, really" Orville Peck & Willie Nelson - Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond Of Each Other (Live Austin City Limits Music Festival)

No I didn't say that, but don't try to confuse them with the facts.

I'd like to see a link for that quote...it may be accurate but the AP has never before labeled the protests as riots or rioting.

That is exactly what I am saying. Another Straw Man mischaracterizing my exact words. They want him deported for spousal abuse but he has never been charged with that.

I defend him because no charges have ever been filed for domestic abuse.

This dude wouldn't recognize a Straw Man in a corn field in Kansas.

Still waiting for someone, anyone to provide a link for charges filed against Garcia for domestic abuse. Fun Fact: There were none. It didn't happen.

So clear that charges were never filed.