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https://x.com/BrianEntin/status/1939700382403305936 The Idaho firefighter killer suspect has been identified as Wess Roley, a law enforcement official told The Associated Press.

I point to every post I made on Page 1 of this thread, which were news articles that avoided any speculation on my part. I can't win. These people are so funny.

They don't understand the distinction no matter how many times it is explained and probably never will.

I started this thread. For those accusing me of jumping to conclusions or speculation about the shooter, please reread my posts on Page 1, they are just news articles I found updating the situation and there is no commentary on my part about the possible political leanings of the shooter.

Yes, but he was particularly vile with that comment.

Which we haven't seen yet, only the allegations by the prosecution.

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/nation-world/firefighter-ambush-idaho/507-371be580-3bbe-4e49-937e-78750ed1f29d A violent ambush in Idaho leaves 2 firefighters dead and 1 injured. What to know about the attack COEUR D'ALENE, Idaho — Authorities say two firefighters were killed and another was badly injured after they were ambushed and shot while responding to a wildfire near Coeur d'Alene, Idaho. Here's what to know about Sunday's attack, the investigation and next steps. Ambush starts with a brush fire Kootenai County Sheriff Bob Norris said firefighters first responded to an early afternoon report of a brush fire at Canfield Mountain, a popular and scenic hiking and biking area near the outskirts of town. But once the firefighters arrived, someone began shooting at them. The fire was set to lure the firefighters into an ambush, Norris said. “These firefighters did not have a chance,” he said. Law enforcement officials responded, locking down the neighborhoods near the hiking area and trying to find the shooter in hilly terrain that had plenty of cover, with thick brush and trees and smoke from the fire nearby. First hours are chaotic, with injuries and number of shooters unknown Over the next few hours, it wasn't clear if hikers or other recreationists were stuck on the mountain, or if any civilians had been injured in the shooting, Norris said. What was clear was the danger the firefighters and responding law enforcement faced. They exchanged gunfire with the shooter, he said. “We don’t know how many suspects are up there, and we don’t know how many casualties there are,” Norris told reporters at a Sunday afternoon news conference. “We are actively taking sniper fire as we speak.” A spokesperson with Kootenai Health later confirmed that three patients were transported to the hospital — two were dead by the time they arrived and a third was injured. The deceased included a firefighter from the Coeur d'Alene Fire Department and one from Kootenai County Fire and Rescue. A third firefighter was badly injured but had made it through surgery and was “fighting for his life,” Norris said later that night. Cellphone data helps law enforcement find the suspect Faced with more than 17,000 square feet (1,580 square meters) of containment area, part of it burning, authorities used cellphone data to narrow their search. They identified a cell signal around 3:15 p.m. and noticed it had not changed location for some time, Norris said. A tactical response team went to the location and found a deceased man with a weapon nearby. Officials believe the man was the shooter, the sheriff said. Investigators said the gunman acted alone. The fire complicates the crime scene The fire was burning close to the body of the suspect, and so authorities had to “scoop the body up” before it was engulfed in flames, Norris said. Crews were stationed around the area overnight and the sheriff said the investigation would continue Monday morning. Norris said investigators believe that once they are able to fully search the area, they may find that more weapons had been placed by the suspect. Names and other details have not been released The names of the slain and injured firefighters have not been released. Nor has the name of the suspect, whose identity authorities are waiting to confirm, Norris said. A procession of fire and law enforcement vehicles accompanied the bodies of the fallen firefighters as they were taken from the hospital in Coeur d'Alene to the medical examiner's office in Spokane, Washington, a neighboring city just across the state line.

Yeah. Sick puppy.

I don't know why Kavanaugh is being mentioned in the Kilmar Garcia thread. These situations are not really analagous. Christine Blasey Ford testified under oath at the televised Senate Kavanaugh hearings, and repeated the accusations that she had been sexually assaulted by Kavanaugh. We were all able to listen to her testimony and judge her credibility. In contrast, Garcia's wife has only given a written statement which indicates she did not find what was said in the protective order serious enough to follow through with and certainly not enough to merit deportation. https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/5255035-abrego-garcias-wife-statement-domestic-violence-protective-order/ Abrego Garcia’s wife issues statement on domestic violence protective order The wife of a Maryland man who the United States government mistakenly deported to a mega-prison in El Salvador stood in defense of her husband while acknowledging that she filed for a civil protective order four years ago. “After surviving domestic violence in a previous relationship, I acted out of caution following a disagreement with Kilmar by seeking a civil protective order, in case things escalated. Things did not escalate, and I decided not to follow through with the civil court process. We were able to work through the situation privately as a family, including by going to counseling,” Jennifer Vasquez Sura said in a statement to multiple outlets on Wednesday. [...] “Our marriage only grew stronger in the years that followed. No one is perfect, and no marriage is perfect,” Sura said. “But that is not a justification for ICE’s action of abducting him and deporting him to a country where he was supposed to be protected from removal.” “Kilmar has always been a loving partner and father, and I will continue to stand by him and demand justice for him,” she added.

That was then and this is now. It won't win out in the end if Trump is able to end Democracy in this country as we know it, and that keeps looking more and more likely to me. After the SCOTUS ruling this week, Trump looks like he is planning to end birthright citizenship and once people born here are deported to some foreign country they have never seen and have no connection to, there is no reason to believe he will stop there...and who knows what group will be the next targets.

"seafoam" does seem miserable, and pathetic too, if he has nothing better to do than post in every thread in this forum all day long. I have him on ignore but when I see he was the most recent poster in a thread, I know I can skip it and won't miss anything.

Exactly. I was obviously referring to the charges for abuse (and that should be obvious in the context of what I said). I have never asserted that the domestic abuse "definitely didn't happen" (I have no opinion on the matter, maybe it did, maybe it didn't) but I do know that charges were never filed.

No problem as long as "the gays" have no visability. And I see some here are fantasizing that Trump can or should eliminate "Pride Month" and make it just for one day in dead of winter. The problem is that Trump (unlike other Presidents going back to Clinton) has never issued any official proclamations recognizing Pride Month (not during his first term as POTUS and not for 2025). So he can't really take away or eliminate something that he hasn't acknowledged ever existed. And if even if he did, Pride Parades and events would still be celebrated in the same towns and cities they have been for decades (nothing would really change).

Pride Month is almost over. So here's a tune for the homophobes to tide them over until June of next year. Orville Peck: "It's a song about gay cowboys, really" Orville Peck & Willie Nelson - Cowboys Are Frequently Secretly Fond Of Each Other (Live Austin City Limits Music Festival)

No I didn't say that, but don't try to confuse them with the facts.

I defend him because no charges have ever been filed for domestic abuse.