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... ALL of you tone down the temperature and stop with the personal attacks or you won't be posting here much longer.

Unpleasant to people here anyhow. In no particular order: 1. Joe Biden had nothing to do with the indictments of Donald Trump; each indictment was justified because Trump broke the law each time. There was no weaponization of Biden’s justice department, no double standard. 2. Joe Biden won the 2020 election. There were no mysterious circumstances, no conspiracies. 3. The January 6 attackers were violent MAGA thugs egged on by Donald Trump most of whom deserve to be in prison. 4. The George Floyd riots were conducted by independent, individual criminals and thugs, unrelated to Black Lives Matter or the Democratic Party or liberalism in general. Most of them weren’t Antifa either. (Antifa only has a few hundred members and isn’t large enough to cause real trouble.) 5. Joe Biden is not corrupt and didn’t commit any crimes while in office. Nor is he a pedophile. 6. The Covid vaccines saved millions of lives; refusing to take the Covid virus cost thousands of lives. 7. Dr. Anthony Fauci is an American hero who had nothing to do with the creation of the Covid 19 virus but had everything to do with saving lives from that virus. He deserves our adulation. 8. George Soros, a Holocaust survivor, is a great man who helped liberate Hungary from Soviet Communism. The attacks against him are rooted in anti-semitism. 9. Man made climate change is real and extremely threatening to human survival on this planet. 10. Undocumented immigrants are not “illegal” because a person cannot be “illegal” in a civilized society. Undocumented immigrants are a boon to our society, and an economic net gain. Most undocumented immigrants are not violent criminals. 11. Transgenderism is not a mental disease. 12. Mistakes were made before, during and after the LA fires, but none of these were deliberate, none were caused by political ideology, and in any event the mistakes made very little difference. OK I’m done. Have a good night!

that all his voters are as big of retards as you

I'm sure this is a waste of time since you'll dismiss all of it, but if you're being honest, here goes... no one knows what he WILL do. Likely or possible, yeah, he's told us. Economy: tariffs, tax cuts for wealthy, exploding debt... Foreign relations: Give Ukraine and other European countries to Putin, abandon NATO, partner with dictators he has professed love for. Threats of war with Iran, love of nuclear war and threats to be the first to launch. Project 2025: there is a whole thread on this, but getting rid of govt employees that voted Democrat and replacing with Trumpers, removal of women's rights, abortion, IVF, contraception, Christian nationalism... Revenge: he wants to use his power to jail anyone who disagrees with him. Illegals: round up and deport 11 million people. Corruption: history of bribes with foreign nationals. Lunacy: hes an unhinged malignant narcissist and we don't know truly what he might do. Just off the top of my head.

I still don’t think Trump is going to win, but he’s tied in the polls and the momentum for now appears to be on his side. So I have to consider it a strong possibility. Ugh. Even so I remain an optimist. Here’s what I think and hope if that happens: 1. Trump has promised a 20% tariff on all imports from all countries, higher on China. My friend @jerryskids assures me this will never actually happen, that it’s simply a starting point in a negotiation to get other countries to trade with us more fairly. So I’m going to hope that he is right about this. Or, if he is wrong, I’m going to trust that the immediate economic backlash of such actions will force Trump to withdraw the tariffs shortly after he has enforced them. 2. Trump has promised to institute mass deportation of undocumented immigrants. For that he needs money, tons of it, and the willingness of Congress to go along. Ultimately he won’t get it. There will be a lot of fear and IMO bad results as he reinstates some of the awful executive orders from his previous term. Eventually we will have a more comprehensive solution to this issue but that will have to wait. 3. We will cut off aid to Ukraine. That WILL happen and it likely means Ukraine will have to concede large areas of territory to Russia ala the Munich conference of 1938. Trump may also pull out of NATO. Trump may also refuse to defend Taiwan and refuse to defend South Korea. Expect an isolationist push around the world, except for Israel which we will unequivocally support no matter what actions they take. Conservatives apparently believe this will make us safer (or at least it won’t harm us). I doubt that but I will hope they’re right. 4. Trump will seek a tax cut but he’ll only get one if the House stays Republican, which is a 50/50 bet. Either way so long as the tariffs and trade war are avoided the economy should continue to improve as we are a robust nation and capitalism works. Trump will take credit but I don’t care; I want good things to happen always and it disgusts me when people, including those on my side, root for bad things to happen because the wrong guy is President. So hopefully the economy booms. But if Trump gets his tariffs you can throw that all out the window. 5. Liberals fear that Trump will end our democracy. I’ve never believed this. He is an authoritarian and he will attempt to weaponize the DOJ (no it is not weaponized now) to punish his enemies. These attempts will likely fail. 6. Conservatives expect a Trump victory will mean an end to all of the woke culture they detest about modern American society. That won’t happen. Woke is mostly inevitable change, and IMO positive change. Transgenders, gays, women, blacks, will continue to gain more and more rights even during the next 4 years despite attempts to slow that down. Eventually women will regain the right to abortion once again everywhere in this country. I’m extremely confident about this. Just may take a little longer. 7. The argument over climate change will be unaffected because there’s not much difference in policy between the two parties. Harris’ current views on fracking represents a truth that liberals will never admit: no matter how bad climate change gets we will never try to fight it by punishing big industry and the consumer. It will never happen. At some point some President is going to wake up and propose a huge investment into nuclear energy, and particularly nuclear fusion. If that’s Trump then despite everything else he could still go down as one of our greatest Presidents. So that’s all for now. If Trump wins I will wish him well because I wish this country well and he will be my President. I will hope for the best.

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The embarrassing part is the Coldplay.

I find this stance curious every time I read it. We all have our causes/obsessions. You and the other libs here keep crying "due process" for people here illegally who are members of violent gangs. Some of us care about Americans and fairness for them, such as for women in sports who fought for decades and finally achieved some level of equal opportunity with mens sports only to have it snatched away by other men taking advantage of a tolerant society. If I have to choose which "obsession" I'm associated with, it will be with the one favoring American women and not the one favoring violent illegal aliens.

People who want the policy to change bring attention to the topic. People who want the policy to remain in place want us to stop complaining about it.

Look at the facts here... Trump has a history as a fraudster, it's been well documented. Trump U, trump charities, he was convicted of fraud in a court of law. Long history of corruption, not a debate. Trump's first term, no intention of balancing budget, tackling waste fraud or abuse, added more to the debt than any other president in history. Oversaw the ppp loan act which was a direct trillion dollar handout to the elites. He doesn't care about any of this, not a debate. Enter Elon musk. World's richest man, desires to be worlds first trillionaire. Turns into a maga, pitches the doge idea in exchange for getting trump elected, trump buys in. Musk buys the election, some say stole the election but I won't go there, one way or another trump is now president. Musk's idea, create a new department, name it after a sh1t coin for giggles, and let me and my braniac posse get into the books. The largest and most valuable trove of data in the world. Give me all that data, we'll do it over a weekend so no one knows, fire anyone that gets in my way. Let me do this and I'll give you the election. If anyone finds out or objects I will just throw out all this misinformation to keep them occupied. I'll throw out all these posts on X about items the govt is spending money on and I'll amplify it for my followers. This will turn the public in our favor. Who doesn't want to cut waste fraud and abuse. They will fall for it hook line and sinker. Do this for me Donald because I have all these regulators and watchdogs after me. They are all investigating me and I want them gone. Usaid is on me, let's get rid of them. The FAA is going after me, get rid of the guy. Cfpb is questioning my new x payments, gone. While we're at it fire all the inspectors general whose job it is to find waste fraud and abuse. Oh and change the law that makes it illegal to bribe govt officials. The memes will be great. Americans are dumb Donald. If we get them to vote for you then they will support all this too. It will be the greatest heist in history. When Trump took office, the NLRB had 24 separate investigations into Musk’s corporations for violating workers’ rights. But presto...Trump fired three officials at that agency, effectively stalling the board's ability to rule on cases. On Monday, USAID's IG warned that Trump's agency cuts have made it harder to root out fraud and abuse — and that nearly $500M in food was about to spoil due to Trump's foreign aid freeze. On Tuesday, Trump fired him. While targeting federal education contracts, Elon Musk just scored a new deal for more government cash, according to documents reviewed by The Lever. The new "supplemental agreement" adds millions to SpaceX's already huge $3.9 billion deal. At least six independent inspectors general fired by Trump all have one thing in common: their agencies investigated Elon Musk's corporations. Musk's crusade against the government isn't about "waste" or "efficiency." It's about shielding himself from accountability. When Trump was sworn in, Elon Musk's corporations were under more than 32 investigations conducted by at least 11 federal agencies. Most of the cases are now closed or likely to be closed soon, and the federal agencies are being defanged by DOGE. Funny how that works, huh?

@TrailGuy is killing it with facts in this thread. But it appears most people here don’t want to hear them; they would prefer to blame this catastrophe on liberalism and woke ideology, its illogical, incredibly stupid and infuriating but that’s where we are as a society these days.

He’s one the top 5 posters in this forum. His political analysis is usually dead on.

ABC isn’t defending themselves at all. Nor should they. This has never been a better time for the legitimacy of the mainstream media.

I gotta admit, I'm blown away that full grown adult males would vote Democrat to make their lives worse because they hate Trump. I'm pushing 50 and live in the Midwest, I'm gonna vacation in Florida and try to distance myself from the bs for the rest of my life. That's all I can do, the left is destroying this country and I'm bummed out about it but, I'll be shielded from it for the most part. I feel bad for the rest of you but, you support this garbage. So, fock you.

I’d have to read up on the details before I can offer an opinion. But anything that encourages homeownership and brings undocumented immigrants out of the shadows can’t be that bad.

And there it is.....3 words, that's all it took. If someone doesn't agree with your politics....they're a baby. If someone doesn't want to run their business out of a state that gives no sanctity to parents....they're a baby. Your outlook on how things should be is exactly why this country is in the mess it is today & why people are so alarmed. I can't wait for the day they take away something you care about & watch you cry......like a baby.

This one is really simple, the Biden administration attempted to turn the US into a Banana Republic. The grown-ups had to step in and remedy the situation. Democrats only have themselves to blame and have proven time and time again that they simply can't be trusted with power. If you support the current day version of the Democrat party, you are absolutely part of the problem. You don't care about America or what it stands for. The sooner we realize this, the better.

Well I feel much better hearing a childish man baby all gleeked up on monster energy tell me how lethal our soldiers are fighting a war which has no strategy and will ultimately be decided on the whims of a brain dead octogenarian trying to cover up his sex crimes.

If we don’t get a strong Democratic majority in the House next year we are truly focked. But I think we will. The public is really sick of what’s happening.

https://voiceofoc.org/2025/08/orange-county-feels-economic-fallout-of-ice-raids/ And this is only the beginning. They’re not stopping crime, they’re hurting the economy. Shut them down. Now.

All went well. Here is what my wife has been sending out: He's done and in recovery. The nodule is "consistent with squamous cell" (what he's had before). She took some more lymph nodes but they looked normal. They will test them. He'll be in recovery for "a while". She said his lungs look great. Funny, we always hear how healthy he is other than the cancer. So, while expected, it being cancer sucks. We'll figure out a plan in the next few weeks.

Page one filled with GFIAFP spam would be welcome compared to what we have today.

Such baloney. Everything Trump and MAGA are doing is straight out of the playbooks used in Hungary, Venezuela and even Nazi Germany. Trump kicked the Associated Press out of the White House because it wouldn't go along with his whole retarded Gulf of America nonsense. He has threatened to try to pull the plug on network news that's critical of him. We're rocketing toward an autocracy at lightning speed, and you clowns are falling for it hook, line and sinker.

I think we need to appreciate what is transpiring here. I believe, and this is just from my own personal experience, that politicians setup this funding to go overseas, and that money comes back to them via overseas banks. There are schemes in place and this is a key tool feeding how people in congress amass fortunes on simple governmental salaries. Trump et al is directly threatening that money stream. We should not think they will not go to ANY extreme to protect the money and power. What Trump and Musk are doing is dangerous. Ask yourself this.....why target US AID, like right out of the gate? Because THIS agency is a KEY tool for Democrats to fight their opponents.

Conservatives are generous with their own money. Liberals are generous with other people’s money.

Will nuclear fusion make weepaws go away?

You were just spamming the thread... a thread that was allowed to run for over 1.5 years. It had run it's course.

NEW YORK (AP) — They have millions of followers online. They have been major players in right-wing political discourse since Donald Trump was president. And they worked unknowingly for a company that was a front for a Russian influence operation, U.S. prosecutors say. An indictment filed Wednesday alleges a media company linked to six conservative influencers — including well-known personalities Tim Pool, Dave Rubin and Benny Johnson — was secretly funded by Russian state media employees to churn out English-language videos that were “often consistent” with the Kremlin’s “interest in amplifying U.S. domestic divisions in order to weaken U.S. opposition” to Russian interests, like its war in Ukraine. In addition to marking the third straight presidential election in which U.S. authorities have unveiled politically charged details about Russia’s attempted interference in U.S. politics, an indictment indicates how Moscow may be attempting to capitalize on the skyrocketing popularity of right-wing podcasters, livestreamers and other content creators who have found successful careers on social media in the years since Trump was in office. https://apnews.com/article/russian-interference-presidential-election-influencers-trump-999435273dd39edf7468c6aa34fad5dd

On Earth 1 (the real world which exists outside of the right wing echo chamber) CNN is non-partisan and the moderators are excellent neutral journalists. Which is why the Trumpers think it’s unfair.

We already have The Cowboys and Giants, how much gayer can it get?

It’s actually a fair question. First off let’s be clear: if Trump wins the election I will wish him well, congratulate his supporters and hope for the best. As before he will be my President and I don’t take that lightly. I want him to succeed in the goal of increasing American safety and prosperity, and if he can accomplish that I will cheer him and be content. I will only oppose Trump if he does bad things. Based on his history I expect him to do so. 1. I believe Trump will weaponize the Department of Justice to go after his political enemies. That is not being done now, has never been done before (though both Nixon and Trump tried). I expect this time Trump will succeed. 2. Trump will attempt to forcibly deport millions of undocumented Americans. This attempt will fail but even the attempt will create untold misery and a great stain on this nations history as well as being an economic disaster. 3. Trump’s tariffs will bring this economy to a screeching halt. 4. Trump will cut off aid to Ukraine, leading to a quick Russian victory and almost guaranteeing a future war in Central Europe which we will be unable to stay out of, 5, Trump’s Project 2025 will strip away consumer protections and generally be a disaster, especially to FEMA and the CDC. The next emergency we face, whatever it is, we will be totally unprepared for. 6. Finally Trump would like to dismantle our Constitution and be a dictator- not just on day one but for the rest of his life. He will not succeed at this but the attempt will be highly damaging and painful . We will survive another Trump term. It won’t be the end of the USA. But it will be highly unpleasant, Id prefer to avoid it.

It’s good news but it shouldn’t be necessary. The fact that these poor people have to fear being harassed, abused, beaten up anywhere in this country should be unacceptable to all Americans.

Well I know why she's a single mom

Fūck all of you that didn't stand up to your masters to prevent these draconian lock downs and mandates. Yeah, your team probably gave a half hearted statement against the overreactions buried in a sea of qualifications or silent compliance. Nah, your team was given correct feedback in real time that shìt was sideways and the answer after fighting it for two years was, "oh well. We tried our best." Nah mfer, your "best" fūcked everyone over real good. We ain't forgetting shìt. If that's the best your team has to offer, then your team needs to sit the fūck down and shut the fūck up and let the people who had common sense make decisions.

Jokes on them. They are voting whether they know it or not.

So now that we know there were 270 federal agents in the crowd (which they lied about to the public, to congress, and to the courts about). We know the so-called pipe bombs were nothing but fbi props. The media headlines of the day were total BS. Pelosi lied through her teeth about the national gaurd. The Capitol Police security that day which was known to be a high risk for getting out of control, was intentionally reduced. The so-called gallows and windows breaking were largely done by government agents/operatives. The charges brought against nearly every Jan 6th defendant were nothing but twisted law which were eventually thrown out after years of being abused by our corrupt prison system. Does over 4-years of cover-up and lies change any of you morons opinions? Do you still think it was a worse attack on the US since Pearl Harbor? Are you this much in denial about being manipulated by your government. All you do is listen to these lies being thrown at you year after year after year and swallow them up like a cheap ho. What those inside government has done to corrupt our government sickens me and you people need to wake the eff up. Our government has sucked ass since the creation of the CIA' which absolutely was largely responsible for JFK getting s bullet in the head along with pulling us into countless useless wars and infiltrating our universities' our media and our entertainment industries. We pay tax dollars so we can be brainwashed into becoming slaves to the elites. But stay in denial you morons. Oh but Reagan...oh but Gingrinch...oh but rightwing extremists....oh but Trump...oh. it whatever boogeyman they tell you to fear. What they fear most is a free society which they can't control and endlessly enrich themselves from.

Ok new thread idea. Each day I will highlight a patriot standing up for American values in the face of the growing autocracy. Today’s hero: Michelle Wu, mayor of Boston: https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2025/08/19/stop-attacking-our-cities-wu-says-to-bondi-threatening-legal-action/?amp=1 “Stop attacking our cities. Silence in the face of oppression is not an option.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/frank-tyson-toledo-police-body-cam-video-handcuffed-facedown-bar-floor/ How long are we a society going to allow this sort of thing to continue? How long are conservatives going to pretend that this isn’t an issue, while claiming the real issue is black on black violence? Democrats tried to pass the George Floyd act which might have helped prevent this sort of thing, but Republicans stopped it. Donald Trump is campaigning on giving police unfettered power and immunity against being charged for this sort of activity. Which side are you on?

Probably the guy who can't stop talking about trannies. Maximum trannies.

My 5 year sobriety date. Woo Hoo!!!

If you frequently use the term "Boyo" in your posts as your signature, then that means you love cruising ghey bodybuilder forums looking for juiced-up steroid boys, or "power twinks", to hook up with. Hence the word "boy" in "boyo". Often synonymous with "bisexual", that is a misnomer. A "boyosexual" is exclusively a biological male and only interested in other biological males (the aforementioned power twinks). They also tend to hook up with trannies, but only if that tranny was born a biological male (trans woman). They also have a peculiar predilection for truck stop glory holes where they tend to meet as a group. Also, Boyosexuals exclusively identify as liberals and Democrats.

I’ve been in discussion forms for over 20 years and I’ve never once advocated banning anyone. Until now. It’s obvious to anyone who reads these threads that @squistion is a cancer to this discussion forum. He brings nothing to the place. He doesn’t argue positions. He doesn’t post any links or information of value. Just random tweets from unknowns. Dude is nothing but a troll. He was single-handedly responsible for getting the Politics Forum at FBGs shut down. Even Liberals can’t stand him. Time to snuff out his torch and send him packing. Let’s make this forum great again.

Biden and his administration. snap out of it buddy.

How did they blow it?

My official prediction: I think the race will break in Kamala’s favor somewhere in the 10-7 days before the election. The majority of the swing states will go her way. Either 6-1 or 5-2 Democrats outperform the polling numbers once again. Please add as many as you like. I will preserve them for the official record.

First comment on that post: ♫ When the eel's in your butt and then chews through your gut, that's a moray ♬

What's it like being a retard and a senior citizen? You don't see that sort of thing very often, here's to overcoming the odds.

Makes sense, he accomplished all his goals in only 4 years, might as well ride off in the sunset a winner.

Last 2 rounds of bloodwork have been really promising. Numbers are very good. Only took 1 dose of the wonder drug to get things started. The real question is if these levels maintain or not, but we’re feeling super optimistic right now!