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These two things are not the same at all. On one hand you have a winning team, in fact he has won enough games that he thinks he can lose a game on purpose within the rules of his league, in order to keep a strong team out of the playoffs. That is fantasy football at it's best. In the other case, the teams you are talking about cannot make the playoffs and are just tanking the rest of the games for the season. There is a difference in doing everything you can to win, and giving up and just screwing the league up. In my money league at least, I know for sure that you would get a pat on the back from each player for making such a move IF it worked out, and ridiculed to no end if it didn't. There is nothing unethical about it. It's playing smart, and most importantly SETTING YOURSELF UP TO WIN THE LEAGUE! That's what fantasy football is about. To the people that think this is unethical, why don't you just let all the teams in your league in the playoffs? In fact why have playoffs at all, why not just give everyone their money back at the end of the season and give everyone a big pat on their back for doing their best all season long?

The responses to this question are ridiculous, I didn't realize so many gay people played fantasy football. If it is within the rules, then not only can you do it, but you should do it in order to win. All this time I thought fantasy football was about winning the league, period, whether you get money from it or not. Part of this game, and every game, is knowing and understanding the rules. The people in your league should realize that it is a good move and respect you for making the move if it helps you to win. No one ranked below you can argue with any decisions you made or moves you made throughout the season.

Well hell I could have told you that he would go off, I am playing against him in two leagues. I have had incredible bad luck in all three of my leagues this year, I hope I am getting it all out of the way in this one year.

Thank you for being the first person to post something even remotely sane in this thread. TO is an ass, but he's a damn good WR still. The problem is that he is "playing" for the Bills.

I picked up Donnie Avery early in the week to cover for Cotchery being out again, I have R. Moss on bye. I'm hoping Cotchery will play, but I think Avery can be a decent play this week. I'm just not too fond of starting any Rams players not named Steven Jackson. If I can find out for sure that Cotchery is playing, I will put him back in over Avery.

One of my leagues started doing this this season. Most of us noticed after the draft, as we used to do 1 point per 25 return yards. I never even thought to see if that had changed. It has really screwed up the league, the highest scoring players in the league besides QB's are players like Cribbs that get alot of return yards, pretty much regardless of what else they do. It's turned the league into a joke this year, I don't know what the commish was thinking when he made the change. It's bad enough that I won't play in it next year if it's not changed back and I've been in the league for about 5 years now.

No kidding. I wish I knew when I was drafting LT that I was drafting the #2 back in San Diego. If the rest of the season goes anything like tonight, I'm in trouble. Hopefully it's just one of those first week things.

I have LT in my money league. Sproles is on my bench. I think Sproles has had one good play in this game, he was also tackled a few times for a loss (although LT hasn't had that many good runs either). If they would leave LT in the game and stop the Sproles experiment I think they would be better off.

Biggest F.U. to Schaub. Big F.U. to Delhomme and Philly D. I need about 50 from R. Moss and LT in a PPR tomorrow to have a chance. Not impossible but probably not happening.

Thanks for the info SATTMAN. I can see where keeping 1 would make the draft more interesting each year, but it seems like that makes it very close to a redraft league. Is the reason for a time limit on the amount of time that a player can be kept in case it's a really good player? From what I have read, increasing the draft rounds that a keeper loses each year might take care of that as well (like if a kept player was drafted in the 8th, the player loses 2 rounds the first year, meaning he loses his 6th pick, then loses two more if they keep the player again, meaning he loses his 4th, and so on). I do worry about keeping 3 though for sure, the last thing I want is for the draft to suck. I'm thinking of keeping 3, maybe 2, but not letting any picks from the first two rounds be kept, which would be automatic anyway if they lose two rounds higher than the kept player's pick. From reading around on rules, that seems to be a pretty common set up. Something else that I am trying to get straight from the outset is having a very thin waiver wire. I hate to have a bunch of bench spots just holding marginal players, but I hate it when there are good players sitting out there on waivers. How many spots do most people use to keep this under control? I am aiming at 10 teams in the league at a minimum, maybe 12. I have it set up right now as QB,WR,WR,RB,RB,TE,W/R,K,DEF, 10 Bench spots. I was thinking about adding in another WR or W/R flex spot to at least have another player being used.

Sweet. I noticed on this board where people were asking for help with keepers all the time, meaning that there were a lot of people in keeper leagues, that there would be a good chance that I could get some advice on setting up a keeper league myself. And by the number of responses over the past two days, it obviously worked well. Thanks for the help everyone.

Any help at all?

I am starting up a keeper league this year and thought I would ask here about a good set of rules. I have played fantasy football for about 5 years now, but never in anything but redraft leagues. I have read around online and basically I have decided to allow the option of keeping up to 3 players for an unlimited number of years, losing one draft spot higher than where the player was drafted. The league scoring is basic with no IDP. I am planning to use Yahoo at least for this year because I am most familiar with their fantasy site, but it seems that keeper options are new to Yahoo, so I don't know if there might be a better option for free at some other site. I wanted to see if anyone could give me some hints of things I need to watch out for, things I am not expecting that might come up in a keeper format. I could allow only keepers in certain draft round ranges (one keeper for rounds 1-5, one keeper for rounds 6-10, and so on), or I could only allow one keeper per position. I was planning to allow each player to keep 3 at any position. I am not sure what the upside or downside of these different options might be. There is the option of requiring teams to keep players, I was planning on this being an option rather than a requirement. Any help and / or hints would be greatly appreciated.

I have to post in a thread that mentions the greatest quarterback in the history of football. I kid, but I have worn #11 in every sport I've ever played.

It cost me a first round bye in the playoffs of my money league. The guy that had Slaton was within 2 points of his opponent and I figured with 2:11 left they would put in Moats and kill the clock. When I saw Slaton back there I knew I was screwed, that's been my luck with Monday night games this season. Now I'm the 3 seed and have some tough matchups this week.