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Jerry and Stephen are taking turns kicking each other in the balls right about now.

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For obvious reasons. Are you ready to donate that $400 to charity yet?

That buIIshit was passed after she was gone iirc. However, she did incarcerate thousands of black men for Marijuana possession and kept them locked up beyond their release dates to keep them working for the state as slave labor. As a prosecutor, she also withheld exculpatory evidence that would've exonerated innocent defendants. She's a first rate, race baiting, fake as fock, piece of sh!t and a focking dolt. Anybody who thinks she's worthy of being POTUS is a focking moron.

If you weren't looking in the mirror when you typed this, you should've been. It's uncanny how you just described yourself.

I'm rarely wrong around here but I stand corrected today. Tim's capacity for denialism is not unrivaled in human history. You're right up there with him.

Holy sh!t. People don't get arrested for peacefully protesting. The violent dooshbags that got arrested the other day at the pro hamas rally at the Capitol, who defaced monuments and violently attacked Capitol police were arrested and released without bail. The shitstains Kamala supported and lobbied for bail money on their behalf did far worse than that. They weren't released, they needed to be bailed out. Do the math.

She encouraged people to donate to the MFF. That fund was used to bail out people who were arrested for breaking the law. At least one of which was bailed out through the fund and was subsequently charged with murder. You can disagree all you want but it's clear that I do know better.

Denialism seems to be a thing with you people. You can lie to yourself all you want. I know better.

This is obvious to anyone who actually paid attention. Although, while she enthusiastically encouraged others to donate their hard earned money to bail the criminals out, I doubt very seriously that she contributed a dime. She doesn't have the courage of her convictions.

Of course it was. Your capacity for denialism is unrivaled in human history.

Yes, she did. She encouraged people to donate to a fund to bail out rioters who'd been arrested for breaking the law. If that isn't support, what do you call it?

Exactly The onus to cease fire is not on Isreal.

They absolutely CAN win, if they didn't care what the rest of the world thought. You said "The reason that Israel needs to stand down is that they’re less safe if they don’t." They were stood down when they got attacked. How did that make them more safe? They are at war with an enemy whose sole purpose is to wipe them off the face of the earth and will not stop until they accomplish that goal. Standing down will not make hamas go away and it will not make Isreal more safe.

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I disagree with both of them.

You seem to be suggesting that if Isreal had just minded it's own business none of this would've happened. Never mind the fact that Isreal WAS minding it's own business when Hamas started this war. Also, The US going into Vietnam and Afghanistan is not remotely close to Isreal defending itself from their next door neighbors.

Right. My guess is the rookie is demanding Isreal stand down with no plan going forward. While the guy with the proven track record is asking Bibi to take a step back and let him put the hurt on Iran like he did before and, by proxy, reducing Hamas' ability to conduct their attacks. If I were Isreal I'd tell them both to fock off.

Both candidates for prez are pressuring Iran and Hamas to stand down?

Just as nobody should be advocating for Isreal to stand down. There are Christians, Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisting in Isreal. Their "don't start none, won't be none" philosophy only works when shitbags don't start none. The international pressure needs to be on Hamas and Iran to end this sh!t, not Isreal.

You said if they could've they would've by now. I'm saying they could've ended this on October 8th if they wanted to. They're trying to do this while minimizing civilian casualties because they know, in addition to Hamas, they are also fighting public opinion. They could just as easily say fock it. Eradicate the enemy along with a few innocents and tell the world they had no choice. Because they really don't.

You do know Isreal has nukes, right?

If the Palestinian people don't believe Hamas is their enemy, are they really innocent?

You probably missed this edit to my previous post so I'll quote it here. "It won't be pretty, considering Hamas uses the Palestinian people as human shields. There will be collateral damage. Which obviously turns otherwise peaceful people into Hamas supporters. You need to get to the smart ones in the group and convince them that Hamas is their enemy, not Isreal. The question is how many smart ones are there and how do you reach them?" Peace will not be possible without the Palestinian people stepping up and removing Hamas, electing a new government and agreeing to allow Isreal to exist. ETA: The onus is not on Isreal to create a cease fire. They didn't start this war but they could sure as hell end it in a heartbeat if they wanted so desired.