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They absolutely CAN win, if they didn't care what the rest of the world thought. You said "The reason that Israel needs to stand down is that they’re less safe if they don’t." They were stood down when they got attacked. How did that make them more safe? They are at war with an enemy whose sole purpose is to wipe them off the face of the earth and will not stop until they accomplish that goal. Standing down will not make hamas go away and it will not make Isreal more safe.

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I disagree with both of them.

You seem to be suggesting that if Isreal had just minded it's own business none of this would've happened. Never mind the fact that Isreal WAS minding it's own business when Hamas started this war. Also, The US going into Vietnam and Afghanistan is not remotely close to Isreal defending itself from their next door neighbors.

Right. My guess is the rookie is demanding Isreal stand down with no plan going forward. While the guy with the proven track record is asking Bibi to take a step back and let him put the hurt on Iran like he did before and, by proxy, reducing Hamas' ability to conduct their attacks. If I were Isreal I'd tell them both to fock off.

Both candidates for prez are pressuring Iran and Hamas to stand down?

Just as nobody should be advocating for Isreal to stand down. There are Christians, Jews and Muslims peacefully coexisting in Isreal. Their "don't start none, won't be none" philosophy only works when shitbags don't start none. The international pressure needs to be on Hamas and Iran to end this sh!t, not Isreal.

You said if they could've they would've by now. I'm saying they could've ended this on October 8th if they wanted to. They're trying to do this while minimizing civilian casualties because they know, in addition to Hamas, they are also fighting public opinion. They could just as easily say fock it. Eradicate the enemy along with a few innocents and tell the world they had no choice. Because they really don't.

You do know Isreal has nukes, right?

If the Palestinian people don't believe Hamas is their enemy, are they really innocent?

You probably missed this edit to my previous post so I'll quote it here. "It won't be pretty, considering Hamas uses the Palestinian people as human shields. There will be collateral damage. Which obviously turns otherwise peaceful people into Hamas supporters. You need to get to the smart ones in the group and convince them that Hamas is their enemy, not Isreal. The question is how many smart ones are there and how do you reach them?" Peace will not be possible without the Palestinian people stepping up and removing Hamas, electing a new government and agreeing to allow Isreal to exist. ETA: The onus is not on Isreal to create a cease fire. They didn't start this war but they could sure as hell end it in a heartbeat if they wanted so desired.

Whatever it takes.

Because Isreal hasn't taken the gloves off yet.

You can start with the only ones benefitting from the humanitarian aid Isreal has been sending/allowing in. Hamas has been hijacking it and not allowing it to get to the Palestinian people. It won't be pretty, considering Hamas uses the Palestinian people as human shields. There will be collateral damage. Which obviously turns otherwise peaceful people into Hamas supporters. You need to get to the smart ones in the group and convince them that Hamas is their enemy, not Isreal. The question is how many smart ones are there and how do you reach them?

This sounds a lot like something a DEI hire would say.

We can leave a couple to tell the story about how stoopid it was to get sucked in by a retarded ideology.

We can only do so much. Sadly, it's going to take the Palestinian people to stand up to these shitbags to accomplish long term peace in the region. Unfortunately, Iran will just bankroll the next group of shitbags and the next. Long term peace in the ME is going to require some hard decisions about what we do with Iran. Sanctions ain't gonna cut it.

It isn't possible. Hamas exists to eradicate the Israeli people. That is their mission statement. Trying to negotiate peace with a group whose sole purpose in life is to murder your people out of existence is an exercise in futility. You'd have a better chance of convincing Rusty to stick to one alias.

Quite possibly the most naive statement ever made here. The only way to ensure a cease fire deal with Hamas is to eradicate Hamas.

I heard this quote the other day. Not sure who said it: "We don't have a spirit, we are spirits. We have bodies." Or something to that effect.

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That probably has something to do with her ability to imagine what can be, unburdened by what has been.

There's no way Kamala can beat the Dukes of Maga!

My starting word paid off today. I haven't checked the archives to see if it's been used before. I'm pretty sure it has. Which sucks. But if not, and I use it everyday, eventually I'll get that Ace!