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  1. Posted

    i'm not a tt supporter, but it's painfully obvious what's going on--come on, even you know what's going on without asking: tt does want to do it his way, he does want to rebuild, he doesn't want to do anything that would jeopardize the future by getting short-term answers because he doesn't think the packers can win NOW with favre, BUT he can't put in his own guy because he can't be the one to kill favre the legend. again, brett's the gigantic white elephant in the room that thompson has no clue on how to--or balls to--remove from the room.

     

    i think this has been spelled out numerous times in this thread. i dare say the packer fans who are supporting tt are still as squeamish as tt is about offing brett. and therein lies the ENTIRE problem.

    you sure seem to remember those things--you just brought them up! :thumbsup:

     

    thanks for proving my point.

    hoff, i appreciate you as you shoot straight more so than most of the packer fans here...but tt rebuilt the linebackers in two years? he drafted hawk last year, which was a no brainer...and barnett's been there 3-4 years now (and wasn't he a sherman pick?)

     

    just saying...

     

    I know you I've seen some bagging on Brady Poppinga, but it's not warranted. This guy missed all of his rookie year with an ACL, then came in and won the starting job this season. He struggled early, just like most rookies would, but came on as the year went on. He is much, much better than you're giving him credit for.

     

    With Hawk, Poppinga, and Hodge, I consider that a rebuild. They did it around the only stable piece, which was Barnett. This is a very good, athletic group.

  2. Posted

    I'm getting sick of the discussion, but one last point.

     

     

    Speaking of, what do Reggie White, Brett Favre, Andre Rison, Keith Jackson, Sean Jones and Desmond Howard have in common? You can't do it all through the draft!

     

    I hate to go "Glory Days" on this bit, but clearly Ted Thompson can't hold Ron Wolf's jock. You can't reap the reward if you aren't willing to take a risk.

     

    The blind faith in Thompson gives me a headache. Maybe we should forfeit our 2007 schedule so that we can draft Darren McFadden next year? How's that for rebuilding? Maybe we could petition the league to allow us to carry our $15M in cap space over to 2008?

     

    If you can go find me a Reggie White in free agency, I'm on board. Every other free agent you cited on that list likely came to Green Bay because Reggie White made the franchise legit. Tell me where that guy is in today's NFL? If you want an impact free agent, who is that guy?

     

    And don't try to even bring up Rison. He was only brought in because a team with an atual shot at a Super Bowl suffered WR injuries. Not the same situation at all.

     

    When Green Bay actually gets close to fielding a team with a legit shot at a Super Bowl, I'm guessing the Thompson regime may get a bit more aggresive. But even if they don't, I'll still believe they're building this team the correct way right now.

     

    And blind faith? I watched Thompson rebuild the LB group in two seasons. They are young and talented at the position. I wathced him rebuild the O line in two seasons. ###### all you want, but a top 16 O line ranking with three rookies and a first year guy playing all season, I'll take that. Oh, and did I mention how the interior D line has been transformed now? Harrel and Pickett will be a good tandem, allowing Jenkins to get KGB off the field more often. Not to mention that both Murphy and Jennings looked like very, very good second round WRs.

     

    Sorry, I look at this and see good progress. While others look at it and are pissed because Thompson isn't doing what Favre wants.

  3. Posted

    I think you missed the point I was trying to make. Im saying Sherman is irrelevant to the conversation. Ill give mccarthy a pass if you buy into the sherman was bad thing. But not Thompson.... sherman being terrible has no effect on thompson making bad draft picks. In fact, in a way it makes drafting easier... because you have more holes to fill thus more options at each pick. But apparently Thompson thought DL was a position of need... which makes no sense whatsoever.

     

    No offense dude, but I'm not following your logic for one second.

     

    If they have a lot of holes to fill, that means they have a lot of options to pick from right? To me, that means one single player in the first round does not make or break a draft. You have to fill out your team at every possible position, so even drafting a TE in round one doesn't matter. Nor does drafting a WR in round 1. If I have ten holes to fill, and we'll say rounds 1-3 really are immediately helpful guys, then that leaves an awful lot of gaps from year to year. Once again, you can't rebuild your talent core in two-three years. Not completely anyway.

     

    Unlike you, it was pretty clear to me that Mike Sherman is the main reason that this team's core base of talent is depleted. You can blame Thompson all you want, but go check out how many of Sherman's picks are still in the league.....Cletidus Hunt? Torrence Marshall? Steve Josue? Joey Thomas? Ahmad Carrol? Fact is, the draft is supposed to set your team up for the long haul. Thank Sherman for making that impossible in Green Bay.

     

    And your last point contradicts everything else. When you start drafting based on need, that's when you get into trouble. Exhibit A: Ahmad Carrol and Joey Thomas. Everyone knew Green Bay needed Dbacks, so they took these guys to fill needs. How'd that work out?

     

    shut up Favre, you're not a randy moss away from the super bowl anyways...

     

    And that my friends, is the friggin point. It burns my ass to see impatient Packer fans sitting around thumping their chests about how Thompson isn't doing anything. Let's face the friggin' facts here folks. Randy Moss does not win Green Bay a Super Bowl in 2007 or 2008. He couldn't do it in his focking prime in Minnesota, and he sure as hell isn't going to do it in Green Bay with an over the hill Favre.

     

    The sooner all of us face reality, the better.

  4. Posted

    What I prove is that alot of those guys were not first round picks.

    It is not necessary to draft a guy in those rounds.

     

    So why just take a WR then? When you show you can get that talent elsewhere. Especially with Thompson showing it the last 2 years in his drafting of Murphy and Jennings? Why is it so important?

     

    I simply think there is value in those 2nd and 3rd rounds and that is what he went for...and I prefer it to the types of WRs that went in that 16-25 range.

     

     

    Right on again.

  5. Posted

    Couple things. First of all why are we starting from scratch after sherman? People like to forget sherman built a superbowl contending team year in and year out... and his last year went 4-12 because he had 4 injured WR's and 5 injured RB's. The team was still there to contend. Thompson comes in and dismantles that team... not shermans fault.

     

    Second thing is even if I give you that he has to 'rebuild'... it doesnt matter. That doesnt excuse bad drafting. Bad free agency moves. It might excuse bad records for mccarthy.... but it doesnt do anything for thompson. Look at thompsons drafts, they are a$$-awful. He reaches for guys way too early and they never pan out. AJ Hawk is his only hit... and it was totally obvious. Most of his very few free agents fail (Adrian Klemm, Matt Odwyer, Boerigter, Gardner, Ben Taylor, Manuel). He hit on pickett and woodson.

     

    Please tell me why Ted Thompson is even an average GM. He is terrible! And everyone in GB seems to like him. My point here is... Sherman should be irrelevant to the conversation.

     

    Please tell me this is a joke.....

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Sherman

    Out of 27 draft picks made by Mike Sherman and Ron Wolf or Mike Sherman alone, only seven are ranked as at least white-chip players (rating of 5 or higher). The other 20 players could rightfully be judged as NFL failures. Only three of the 27 draft picks were rated as red-chip players or better (Javon Walker, Aaron Kampman, and Nick Barnett) while two others are good, mid-level white-chip players (Scott Wells and Hunter Hillenmeyer - now with the Chicago Bears).

     

    2001 Draft (Mike Sherman and Ron Wolf):

    Here is an analysis of Mike Sherman and Ron Wolf's 2001 draft class. Each player is ranked on a continuum scale from 1 to 10, with 1 signifying a poor draft pick and 10 signifying a blue-chip player: (1=bust, 5=white-chip player, 8=red-chip player, 10=blue-chip player)

     

    Player (Position) Round Drafted (Overall) Ranking

    Jamal Reynolds (DE) 1 (10) 1

    Robert Ferguson (WR) 2 (41) 3

    Bhawoh Jue (CB) 3 (71) 2

    Torrance Marshall (ILB) 3 (72) 3

    Bill Ferrario (OG) 4 (105) 2

    David Martin (WR) 6 (198) 4

     

     

    2002 Draft (Mike Sherman):

    Here is an analysis of Mike Sherman's 2002 draft class. Each player is ranked on a continuum scale from 1 to 10, with 1 signifying a poor draft pick and 10 signifying a blue-chip player: (1=bust, 5=white-chip player, 8=red-chip player, 10=blue-chip player)

     

    Player (Position) Round Drafted (Overall) Ranking

    Javon Walker (WR) 1 (20) 9

    Marques Anderson (S) 3 (92) 4

    Najeh Davenport (FB) 4 (135) 6

    Aaron Kampman (DE) 5 (156) 8

    Craig Nall (QB) 5 (164) 4

    Mike Houghton (OL) 6 (200) 1

     

     

    2003 Draft (Mike Sherman):

    Here is an analysis of Mike Sherman's 2003 draft class. Each player is ranked on a continuum scale from 1 to 10, with 1 signifying a poor draft pick and 10 signifying a blue-chip player: (1=bust, 5=white-chip player, 8=red-chip player, 10=blue-chip player)

     

    Player (Position) Round Drafted (Overall) Ranking

    Nick Barnett (LB) 1 (29) 8

    Kenny Peterson (DL) 3 (79) 3

    James Lee (DT) 5 (147) 1

    Hunter Hillenmeyer (LB) 5 (166) 7

    Brennan Curtin (OT) 6 (212) 2

    Chris Johnson (DB) 7 (245) 3

    DeAndrew Rubin (WR) 7 (253) 1

    Carl Ford (WR) 7 (256) 3

    Steve Josue (LB) 7 (257) 2

     

     

    2004 Draft (Mike Sherman):

    Here is an analysis of Mike Sherman's 2004 draft class. Each player is ranked on a continuum scale from 1 to 10, with 1 signifying a poor draft pick and 10 signifying a blue-chip player: (1=bust, 5=white-chip player, 8=red-chip player, 10=blue-chip player)

     

    Player (Position) Round Drafted (Overall) Ranking

    Ahmad Carroll (CB) 1 (25) 2

    Joey Thomas (CB) 3 (70) 1

    Donnell Washington (DT) 3 (72) 1

    B.J. Sander (P) 3 (87) 1

    Corey Williams (DT) 6 (179) 1

    Scott Wells © 7 (251) 7

  6. Posted

    When are you betting or thinking this rebuilding will payoff or at least come together to where we can compete for the NFC championship? Just a question. Or when SHOULD it come together.

     

    I know you're not asking me directly, but if I may throw out my opinion.

     

    Thanks to Mike Sherman, Thompson essentially had to start from scratch. We're heading into year three with Thompson's players. My honest take is that it's a five year rebuild before we really see the returns. Just my opinion.

  7. Posted

    And then think of the youth.

    Collins, Poppinga, Hodge, Pickett, Harrell now...as you said with Hawk.

     

    TT also did what? hired the coach that figured out that hey...Jenkins should be started at DE rather than KGB...bring KGB in for pass rush situations (something many had advocated for a while).

    What else did he do...just recently locked up both Harris and Barnett to long term deals. Last year kept Kampman from leaving by signing him to a nice contract as well.

     

    As I said, most of that D are either guys he brought in...or guys he shelled out the money to keep. (though some still call him cheap because he does not go out and overpay for the marginal talent that was available this year).

     

    Exactly.

     

    Oh and by the way, did you notice that Thompson has done a pretty good job in his career of finding NFL receivers after the first round? Darrel Jackson ring a bell? Terrence Murphy (injury ended a promising career)? Greg Jennings?

     

    And lest you all forget, Thompson did in fact draft a Tight End. Maybe not the one the fans were yelling for, but one who just two years ago was widely regarded as on of the best prospects in college football.

    http://www.thnt.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?.../704230312/1002

  8. Posted

    I find it very, very amusing that people think Thompson has done nothing and doesn't spend money.

     

    Who were the starting linebackers on this team say...two years ago? He completely rebuilt this unit in two season with young, aggressive, talented players.

     

    Same goes for the offensive line. Looking at O line rankings (not an exact science, I know) Green Bay's young, sucky O line finished 16th out of 32 teams. With two or three rookies starting all year. Believe me when I say they'll be better this season.

     

    Have people been sleeping the last three seasons? Thompson said from day one they'll be strong up the middle. He's spent the money and draft picks on D line, O line, and Linebackers. Strong up the middle. That's the way it works.

     

    Favre can still make decent wide receivers look very good, so tell me again why the strong up the middle approach is dumb?

     

    Also, how many of you 'spend the money' guys were ripping Ted apart last year for signing Woodson? Fess up, you know who you are.

     

    Of course, this year it's different right? Last year he overpaid Woodson, and this year he's not spending enough.

     

    And I'm not sure how some of you consider 4-12 to 8-8 not improving?

  9. Posted

    #3-4 is probably Martin and Holliday right now. With Robinson being in the mix when he is back from suspension. Add in two rookies to compete there as well in Clowney and Jones.

     

    Driver has proven he is a #1 WR. I don't know how anyone can knock the guy right now given his track record. Is it just that he is not big and tall? He puts up #1 numbers year after year. Did not even dropoff during Walker's breakout year.

     

    Need a #1 badly? Why? Look at recent SB teams. How many of them had a stud star #1 WR. The Colts and Rams are the only recent winners to do that. Then look at the Pats, Ravens, Steelers (Ward is no different than Driver), Buccaneers.... It looks nice and flashy on stat sheets and in fantasy football...but it does not mean its the only way to win in the NFL.

     

    I contend they merely needed someone to compliment Driver. Could have been Moss, could have been a guy like Drew Bennett...could even be a guy like Keyshawn. Driver is the #1 to all of those guys being the complimentary #2.

     

    Is Meachem any better than what they already have on the team in Jennings, Martin, Holliday? I don't know that he is.

     

    Safety? Of value at 16? There was nothing that was great value there at 16 for safety...same for WR IMO.

     

    How is trading down and taking Jackson in the 2nd a mess any way you look at it. He is said to fit the zone blocking scheme. You can believe he would have been there in the 3rd...does not make it true.

     

    :dunno:

  10. Posted

    the most telling comment from favre, to me, is the "sometimes it's hard for them to let brett go." i've been saying this for two years to loud cat calls from the cheeseheads here: favre has been--and IS--holding the future of the organization hostage. the rebuilding is stunted with him staying there and the packer brass not having the balls to either ask him to leave or making him leave.

     

    looks like brett is finally starting to force the hand.

     

    Basically, Thompson is in a lose-lose. If he comes in and moves Brett, everyone hates him. If he builds the team as he sees fit, everyone questions him (except me and a few others).

  11. Posted

    so do you still think favre has a couple of years left in green bay and do you still feel rodgers should be moved?

     

    logical possibility? yeah, bigfoot existing is a "logical possiblity." you're engagin in wild speculation because it's easier to think that someone else outside of the organization is responsible for this "ugliness" on favre's part and not the god favre.

     

    that you have the nerve to chastize someone else while hanging your hat on that weak premise is amusing and entertaining.

     

    bump.

     

    :more popcorn:

    from the article: "The shocking request appeared directly related to the team's inability to trade for WR Randy Moss."

     

    it appears the main reason--or the proverbial straw, if you will--that set brett off was the packers inability to get moss (which, hey, i never liked moss but brett seems to have been touching his happy spot over him). i didn't see anything in the article that suggested favre didn't like the packers overall draft--other than they didn't give up the 4th for randy like new england did. thus i think the debate about the round 1 pick is irrelevant.

     

    Favre didn't rip it, XToday did. Just lumping all of it together in my post.

  12. Posted

    I used to be a pretty staunch Favre defender, but he's crossed the line for the last time with me. Hey Brett, don't let the door hit you on the ass on the way out. You are not the GM.

     

    And some please explain where all this offensive talent was?

     

    I would agree that drafting for Favre alone wouldn't make sense, but c'mon-- how do you take (reach, actually) for a defensive tackle in the first, and a risky RB in the 2nd when there was so much better talent at offense available?

     

    Who the hell is this offensive force for the first round? Greg Olsen? Nope. Robert Meachem? Not any better than Greg Jennings. I for one do not think that WR was a glaring need. TE, maybe I can buy that. But not WR. And Olsen at 16 would've been a bigger reach than Harrel is perceived to be (I don't hink Harrel was a reach).

     

    And did I see one legged D. Jackson mentioned? While I understand the sentinment, this isn't the same Jackson now.

     

    And frankly, this team is still farther away from a Super Bowl run than Randy Moss. So let's not pretend he's a magic cure.

     

    Kudos to Ted Thompson for building this team for the future, not for an attempted "one last run for Brett" campaign.

  14. Posted

    I agree it would not be a smart move. But the pressure will always be there.

     

    Pressure from who? The only ones I hear complaints from are the fans. I would hope the people in charge have the nuts to stand up and say we believe in Thompson and his plan. My take, he needs at least five years to undo what Sherman did. At least.

  15. Posted

     

    TT is also in a position where he may not even be the one drafting next year anyway.

     

    Can't let this nuggest slip by. Are you serious? Frankly, it would be a travesty if this guy lost his job. Period.

     

    Packer fans can ###### all they want about Thompson, I don't care. He's doing the things the right way. Had Mike Sherman not so completely destroyed the talent base on this team, it wouldn't take four years to build it back up the right way.

     

    If Thompson gets fired, which is what I think you're hinting at here, then I will have lost a lot of faith in the front office. That would be a terrible, terrible move.

  16. Posted

    You are being very kind with a B grade.... :doublethumbsup:

     

    I never said Harrell was a bad pick, but no Packer fan even talked about him before the draft, but yet I see many liking the pick now. That is my point. I will not like the pick because he went to the Packers. Before the draft if you told me thats who we would draft I wouldn't like it and I still don't. He can be good, any player can turn out good, as of right now im not excited about it.

     

    James Jones a C? Are you serious?....just because TT has done good with later round WRs....doesnt mean its not a bad pick. That was a total reach. Terrible pick.

     

    How many James Jones games have you watched? And I'm not just singling you out. Best I can do is read what the scouts are saying and form my own opinion. No one was bragging up Terrance Murphy, and many thought Greg Jennings would struggle some in the NFL. So yes, I trust Ted Thompson on mid round WRs. Darrel Jackson is another example of a Ted Thompson guy.

     

    Whether it was too early or not is up for debate. I doubt he would've lasted long on day 2, and Green Bay would've likely missed their chance at him. Most draft gurus pegged him as a fourth to seventh rounder. Factor in that Green Bay was looking to trade down in round 4, and Jones in the third does make some sense. It certainly isn't as bad as you're making it out to be.

     

    Did you hate the Jennings pick last year too in the second? Similar story there. Scouts had him all over the draft, he wasn't fast enough, and he was too short. It worked out.

     

    http://nfldraftguys.com/rankings/2007_Draf...kings_Bloom.php

    22 James Jones San Jose State 6'1" 207 lbs.

    Jones is rugged, deceptively athletic, and rising up draft boards. He had an excellent North-South game and combine, and should be a nice 2nd day pick in a deep WR class. His punt return ability should ensure that he hears his name called in New York.

     

    NFL Comparison: Average Sized Brandon Marshall

     

    http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=58386

    Good information here. The bio reads similar to Greg Jennings in my opinion. He is a precise route runner, first and foremost. The big difference from Jennings is strength. Jones is a beast. He lacks breakaway speed, but he's good after the catch and wins jump balls.

  17. Posted

    Pick 16: Do you really think Harrell was our "gotta have" guy in this draft? No way we can risk missing him if we move down? Do you realize the Broncos gave up their #1, a second round pick and (2) sixth round picks to move up 3 spots from 21 to 18? If Ted would have had his phone on during the draft we should have been able to make some kind of deal at 16 to move back and still land a difference maker - maybe Harrell, maybe not.

     

    I don't know if I thought that about Harrell, but Thompson certainly did. And I can't say I blame him. If he is as good as Thompson thinks, then it was the right choice. Good run stuffing D tackles with athleticicm don't grow on trees. There are no more question marks around Harrell than there are around Allen Branch.

     

    It certainly appears that Denver was targeting Harrell, so I don't think he would've been there later. If that's two teams thinking that highly of him, I'm guessing there were more.

  19. Posted

    i really have no opinion on the packers draft. or the bears. or the vikings. check back in a couple of years. we should know more then.

     

    Agreed. I think we get way too caught up in this draft. The payoff won't be felt for a few years.

  20. Posted

    No arguements - just constructive discussion.

     

    Harrell was a reach in my opinion at a position of relative strength (if you have a strenth at 8-8). Even if it's a reach from #32-#16 or #21-#16 as pointed out in Denver. 5 positions in the first round have significant value. Why couldn't Ted work out a deal with Cleveland similar to the one they gave Dallas? If we're building from the draft, let's accumulate picks. Cleveland's #1 next year could very well be top 5 again in 2008.

     

    Why take that chance? If Denver was stalking him around 21 or so, why move back and hope the guy is there. Take him when you have the chance. Plus, if you move back, who is to say someone else doesn't grab him? Too many variables for that trade back secnario.

     

    I still think Nick Collins is/will be a solid NFL safety.

     

    I agree completely. I still like him a lot.

     

    Nebraska RB seemed a bit expensive, but at least we have somebody. Probably more excited about the Winn kid from Florida.

     

    I agree, to an extent. They added some nice RB depth here. Again, Thompson has turned an aging, thin position into one of the youngest on the team. Hopefully it works out like the LB position did.

     

    Free-agency / trade activity was disappointing..... very disappointing. Just because Ted Thompson is a "build from the draft" guy doesn't give him a free pass on inactivity. It appeared to me that Ted was on vacation this weekend and set his draft setting to "auto-draft".

     

    It's not about Favre, it's about the offense. Our quarterback, we'll call him Brett, needs help. If we're afraid to leverage the future by providing a couple skill guys, then we should have cut/traded Brett two seasons ago. Obviously, I don't think cutting Favre is the answer, but he does need someone to throw to other than DD.

     

    First you say it's not about Favre, then you say Favre needs help. Great. Driver and Jennings are a nice 1-2 punch at WR. There's some 'ifs' around Koren Robinson, but if he comes back to the team, he's a solid #3. Add in some young, talented guys, and it's not as bad as it seems. At least in my opinion.

     

    And frankly, this team is farther away than Randy Moss from a Super Bowl. If that wasn't the case, don't you think Randy would've picked Green Bay? Moss wanted to play for the team with the best shot at the big game. That isn't Green Bay, even with Moss.

     

    I understand, but to me, there is just as much risk with trading for guys. Moss, Darrel Jackson, Joe Horn. All guys I talked about, and all guys with very serious question marks surrounding them. They might've helped, but they're just as big of risks as the young guys in the draft. I don't see them as sure things either.

     

    And Free Agency isn't over. You think the Patriots are keeping eveyr WR on their roster? Guys will come free over the next couple of months. Just because Thompson hasn't signed a big name, doesn't mean he isn't going to find some guys in Free Agency.

  21. Posted

    Seriously, looking at every Packer fan's top 5 or even 7 for the 16th pick.....Harrell was most likely on 1% of them. Before the draft no one wanted him, most didnt know him. He wasn't projected on going in the 1st round untill about a week before the draft. I don't know why Packer fans get excited or even happy about the pick now, when predraft no one mentioned his name. I look at it like a John McCargo pick(but good thing we didnt trade up) The Bills wanted McCargo and took him. He was hurt so I dont know how he will overall be, but none the less it was a reach. I just see no reason to defen the pick when he wasn't on any fans top 5 choices before the draft. Im not ruling out himm being good or thinking that TT doesnt know what he is doing, but after the pick I was dissappointed and still am.

     

    I don't understand the argument here. Because he wasn't being talked about, he wasn't a good pick? No hype = bad pick? After the pick, I went back and looked at the DT rankings for this draft. Most places had him no lower than the third DT taken. Many said he has top ten potential, and might've gone there if not for the injury.

     

    Predraft no one mentioned his name because that's how Thompson runs things. I can't believe people don't get this by now. When has he every tipped his hand?

     

    By they way, Denver would've taken Harrell at 21 if Green Bay didn't pick him.

     

    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_5776178

    Blame the Green Bay Packers for putting the Broncos in the position of motivated buyer.

     

    Content with the way the draft had moved through the first 15 picks, the Broncos were sitting on the No. 21 choice, trying to compress any anxiety with patience.

     

    Two of their three targeted defensive ends still were on the board. Arkansas' Jamaal Anderson was long gone at No. 8 to the Atlanta Falcons, but Tennessee's Justin Harrell and Florida's Jarvis Moss were available.

     

    It was looking good for the Broncos to get their pass

     

    Then the Packers threw some commotion into the Broncos' war room, by taking Harrell at No. 16. That left the Broncos with only Moss from their three-man wish list and four teams still were scheduled to pick ahead of them.

     

     

     

    And as for how I feel about this draft, I give it a solid B.

     

    1. (16) Justin Harrell - B I too was surprised. Upon further review, this was a shrewd pick. Top ten talent at the 16. Plus, Denver was probably going to take him at 21, so they wouldn't have gotten him later. Good pick.

     

    2. (63) Brandon Jackson - B Love it. Jackson is very under-rated.

     

    3. (78) James Jones - C I give Thompson all benefit of the doubt when it comes to wide receivers, since he hit on both Murphy and Jennings. Jones reminds me of Jennings in that he isn't a burner, but he runs good route and it great after the catch. Decent return guy.

     

    3. (89) Aaron Rouse - B Big time talent, not a great cover guy. Worth a shot in the third.

     

    4. (119) Allen Barbre B+ Stud athelete, but a project.

     

    5. (157) David Clowney B+ A guy to stretch the field. What is interesting to me is that if both Jones and Clowney work out, then the need for a TE is minimized. Jones can route TE style routes, Clowney can run, and Driver and Jennings keep doing what they do. Add in a healthy and sober Koren? Nice group. Speed to burn on returns?

     

    6. (191) Korey Hall C Surprised, until I saw they're moving him to FB.

     

    6. (192) Desmond Bishop C- Need some depth at LB in my opinion.

     

    6. (193) Mason Crosby A Hard to pass up the best kicker int he draft, and Rayner isn't automatic. Big leg for kickoffs.

     

    7. (228) DeShawn Wynn B Great pick this late. Talented guy. Possible RB/FB combo.

     

    7. (243) Clark Harris B Worth a shot at TE.

  23. Posted

    People keep telling me the Packer draft sucked. I guess it sucked last year too, and the year before. Hell, has Thompson done anything right since he's been there? I mean really, how long does it really take to start an NFL franchise from bascially scratch? That's what the Sherminator left him with.

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