Mark Davis

OK.

If El Salvador decides he needs to be released and we don't have anything to prosecute him for as was stated numerous times in this thread, they can cut him loose by all means.

So he did commit a crime. In my view I don’t want a criminal back. But more than the crime itself, the suspected ties to MS-13 should be enough. He deserves to be repatriated to El Salvador. I’m all for him receiving a trial there or to plead his case and have it heard. If he’s innocent of gang activity I don’t want him incarcerated, but he is a Salvadoran national. He is in the country he should be in.

But how was he here at all if he didn't illegally cross? He can't be here in the first place without the crime occurring.

So he applied for a visa and received one before crossing? Because if not, by definition he committed a crime. If he did, then I'll stand corrected but I don't believe that to be the case. On the last part, Tim and I had this discussion a couple days ago. I have no problem with what happened. I don't see a reason that the government and Solicitor General singled this guy out over everyone else. Why is there a massive conspiracy to railroad this one man? I feel it's likely he is affiliated with MS-13 and if he were a citizen I'd be more concerned about his due process. He's not. I get the argument to the other side, but we disagree.

You keep saying he committed no crime when illegally crossing our border in the very beginning was a crime. He's a Salvadoran national. He is in their custody. He may not belong in that prison, I don't know. But your argument should be with them. On the second part, you can stop trying to convince me on the holier than thou stuff. It's repetitive and tiring. We get it, you think you're superior morally to those of us who disagree with you. It's already been noted.

I don't want him back and I have no clue why anyone would want him back other than they want to make this about Trump. But the fact is that he's their citizen and he's in their custody. You may not like it, but you need to accept that we have no authority to get him back from them at this point any more so than we would have authority over a German or Chinese national. You want the man you despise, Trump, to basically ask them or work out a deal to bring him back. I don't think that is going to happen.

He illegally crossed our border to begin with, so he did commit a crime. A judge did issue an order barring his removal due to the threat of gang violence against him. Maybe being MS-13 would have something to do with that, then again maybe he isn't and it doesn't. The Trump administration and the Solictor General feel that he is affiliated with MS-13. Either way, an error leads to him getting deported to his country of origin where he is a citizen, El Salvador. At this point he is in the custody of his home country and their leader is saying he isn't being sent back. We have no treaty or right to demand him and I can't imagine a reason why the Trump administration would do anything to pressure them to do anything different.

If the first part is true, the second cannot be true.

I'd guess something like arranging a flight. I can't think of where we request countries to send us their citizens other than extradition for criminal prosecution. That's not what this is so very much a one off type situation. I doubt this is covered by any treaty, so they may simply decline.

That's awesome man, congrats to you and your son. I had a philosophy professor in college who was from there. Huge Badgers fan, pretty good guy. I used to have football tickets up there for my business.

As bad as the tariff news cycle has been for Trump, the Democrats keep helping him by being against everything Trump. Even the 80/20 or 90/10 type things.

Exactly. He’s a citizen of El Salvador. Absolutely Trump could pressure them to send him here. But about the only time I can think of we pressure foreign nations to extradite their citizens it’s for criminal prosecution. Facilitate may mean we offer to fly him back here. If Bukele says “no” to sending him, I’m not sure what the court would be able to say Trump should do. We all know he could pressure them and get him. Not every government would be able to be pressured though.

There is no good solution. Somewhere down the line benefits are going to have to be reduced or the benefit age is going to have to go up, or some combination. This isn’t new. When I first got out of school way back in the mid-90s I pretty much wrote off every dime I had to “pay in” because there was already a projected shortfall.

I used to buy/sell inventory with that kind of bankroll, even a little less, when I was getting started with mine. Showed proof of concept, then lined up credit to finance inventory.

If you have the right idea, definitely a business. But otherwise you should put it in a SP500 fund and leave it alone.

It's that way in the South. College football is king. Most football fans in Atlanta would much rather see UGA win a national title than the Falcons win a Super Bowl. And a good thing for them too. My father in law grew up in south LA and played baseball at LSU. He came along before the MLB common draft. He could have signed with the Orioles or Cardinals out of HS and being a baseball player not good enough, I asked him one time why he didn't give pro ball a chance. He said "I'd have gotten $500 and a bus ticket to Florida and everyone here loves LSU and dreams of playing for them". A couple years later he blows his arm out, all pre TJ surgery days and he was done.

I know, it really ruined my day that he would think that of me.

Our prisons are full of people whose associates and family will vouch for them. Again, I’m not saying it’s impossible. But I wouldn’t expect his friends and family to say anything different. Regardless it looks like we will eventually see

When you say "by all accounts", well not according to the government. I mean you can choose to think the government singled this guy out for a special MS-13 frame job if you want. It's not impossible, but I'd be interested as to why they'd pick this one guy to have a conspiracy.

You can give suspected MS-13 members your concern, that's your choice. I won't miss a beat for people who fall into that category of both here illegally and suspected MS-13 when our government deports them. Hopefully for you the government deports enough of these guys before they cause you any harm as they have for so many. (See, I'm concerned for your well being. I do have a heart.)

In theory you are correct. In that setting, there would be a systemic issue and effort of the government doing this. I haven't seen that be alleged.

It didn't. And I never once had an issue with it. Some people who agree with me on this issue above probably disagree with me about that.

I mean I'm not John Roberts trying to adjudicate this. My comment assumed he would come back and by the booking him on Delta comment I'm assuming the Solicitor General is probably right and we are going to need to get him out of here. I'm all for that. But like I told Tim, my heart isn't broken for the guy because I believe it's much more likely than not that the Solicitor General is telling the truth here versus someone here illegally and is accused of being a gang member. You can lose sleep over this guy if you want, but there's in all probability a lot more people who deserve your concern than this guy.

Right. And my point is I believe the Solicitor General is probably correct as well. I assumed he's going to be back here and likely deported after the fact, it's why I mentioned we can book him on Delta for all I care. We don't need him here. That's the part we agree on. And once it's handled, regardless of how we got there that is what should happen if those assumptions turn out to be true. The part we don't agree on is I really don't have a problem with what the administration did here. The guy is already here illegally, he was allowed to stay if the article is correct due to fear of gang violence. Then now our government has determined he is in one of the most vicious gangs that exists. So I'm not shocked another gang probably doesn't like him very much. We indeed to have a system, one that wasn't set up to deal with millions of illegal immigrants and it's overwhelmed. I know we differ here, but if this guy was a citizen I'd have a big problem with it. Given that he isn't, no I don't have a problem with it.