Patented Phil

Not wanting an official state religion is not the same as keeping religion out of schools. The Bible is the most widely read and historically significant document in human history. It should at least be taught to educate people about what it is.

You lose, on just about every level and every occasion in here. Sorry.

Why? Not being a wise guy, but I feel like this is the canned response that everyone in America is trained to say. But why? Most Americans don’t know what the Establishment Clause is, never mind the why behind it. This country was founded on Christianity. It kind of made us great, no?

Nice country these God-less Leftists have created, isn’t it?

Honestly, when I read this post quickly I thought it was someone talking about you.

They’re dumb, jon. That’s the best word for it. Unintelligent and uncurious.

I don’t think Trump won the last election. I do however think that all the shenanigans changing the rules substantially altered things. I warned about it too - when the rules were being changed months before the election. I basically predicted exactly what would happen. By the way, you’re a focking clueless idiot. You really believe the Liberal media is above board and honest? They are awful. Soviet level propagandists.

There are plenty of idiots in here who think misinformation is strictly a Republican/Trump issue. They aren’t very intelligent.

So much noise and misleading information on this. Would like this thread to focus only on the facts. What do the laws actually say? What happens when a baby is born alive after a botched abortion? What is the legal requirement? What did the Walz repeal actual do? I’ve read a lot on this issue, and here is one of the best articles on the actual laws involved: https://www.yahoo.com/news/claims-children-born-alive-abortion-195553629.html Claims About Children Born Alive After Abortion Attempts in Minnesota Are True Alex Demas August 13, 2024 Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz’s progressive policy achievements in Minnesota have faced scrutiny since Vice President Kamala Harris chose him as her running mate. Some social conservatives in particular have claimed his positions on law-and-order, gender identity, and abortion are far outside the national mainstream. Last week, right-wing commentator Charlie Kirk claimed in an X post with more than 1 million views (and which he shared on Instagram) that, during Walz’s governorship, eight infants were “born alive during botched abortions,” in Minnesota. “None of them received any care attempting to save their lives, and most of them didn’t receive basic comfort care either,” Kirk added. In his post, Kirk cites an August 6 article by John Solomon for Just the News. Solomon’s piece explains that the Minnesota Department of Health—which at the time was required to report all cases of living fetuses delivered during an abortion procedure—recorded eight such incidents between January 1, 2019, and December 31, 2022. Solomon also claims that “Walz worked with his new Democrat-controlled Legislature to eliminate both the reporting requirement and the state’s legal obligation for doctors, nurses and medical professionals to administer life-saving care to infants born alive during an abortion procedure.” Kirk and Solomon’s claims are correct. Minnesota Department of Health documents show that eight infants were born alive during abortion procedures between 2019 and 2022, and, in 2023, Walz signed legislation that repealed most of a statute designed to protect infants born alive after an abortion attempt. Born-alive infants in Minnesota. Minnesota state law explicitly protected children born alive during abortion procedures since at least 1976 when the state legislature adopted Section 145.423. This statute determined that, “A live child born as a result of an abortion shall be fully recognized as a human person, and accorded immediate protection under the law.” It also read, “All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken to preserve the life and health of the child.” In 2015, the Minnesota state legislature passed additional legislation, signed into law by Democratic Gov. Mark Dayton, intended to expand the state’s protections for born-alive infants. The Born Alive Infants Protection Act made minor terminology changes to the existing three subsections of Section 145.423, and added an additional six subsections including those covering civil penalties for medical personnel who did not provide adequate care, privacy protections for court proceedings related to born-alive infants, and the status of born alive-infants who survive following an abortion procedure. The act also formally defined “born-alive infants” as “every infant member of the species Homo sapiens who is born alive at any stage of development.” As part of the act, Minnesota’s 1998 abortion reporting guidelines were also modified to require additional details—including what medical actions were taken to aid the infant, whether the infant survived, and the status of the surviving infant—in all instances of born-alive infants. In the first three and a half years of this additional reporting—prior to Walz taking office—the state recorded 16 abortion procedures that led to live births: five in the second half of 2015 after the legislation went into effect; five in 2016; three in 2017; and three in 2018. In 2019, the first year of Walz’s governorship, Minnesota recorded three cases of born-alive infants, one of whom was pre-viable, another who had fetal anomalies, and a third who was given comfort care measures. None of the three survived. No instances occurred in 2020, but in 2021 there were five. Of these cases, two were pre-viable, two were given comfort care, and one had fetal anomalies. None of the five survived. No additional instances occurred in 2022. Legislation repealed. On May 22, 2023, the Minnesota state legislature passed an omnibus bill—signed into law the next day by Walz—that repealed all six subdivisions added by the 2015 Born Alive Infants Protection Act as well as two of the three subdivisions established in the original 1976 statute. The bill left intact the first subdivision—which read “All reasonable measures consistent with good medical practice, including the compilation of appropriate medical records, shall be taken to preserve the life and health of the child”—but changed its language requiring medical personnel to “preserve the life and health of the born alive infant” to instead require medical personnel to “care for the infant who is born alive.” The bill also repealed many of Minnesota’s abortion reporting requirements, including information about born-alive infants. Earlier in 2023, Walz signed legislation enshrining the right to abortion into Minnesota law following the Supreme Court’s reversal of Roe v. Wade. The new statute established that “Every individual who becomes pregnant has a fundamental right to … obtain an abortion,” and did not include any restrictions or prohibitions. Minnesota currently has no statutory limits on abortion at any stage of pregnancy.

Absolutely. THE #1 threat in my opinion, and it’s not even close. They’ve evolved like this over the years: 1. Slight bias, but reported facts 2. Heavy bias, reported facts, but only those facts that benefited the Liberal side. 3. Extreme bias, one-way fact checks against Conservatives that were largely truthful 4. Extreme bias, one-way fact checks against Conservatives that are actually incorrect. There were at least 2 of these during the VP debate. At this point Conservatives need to stop dealing with these people. Complete boycott.

I don’t expect someone like you to know this, but Megyn Kelly is one of the more reasonable, moderate talking heads out there, and a well-respected debate moderator as well. For her to react that forcefully is surprising, and noteworthy.

It’s beyond disgusting. People are fed up with it too. https://x.com/megynkelly/status/1841289365256905161?s=46&t=IzbM3-87p2zeOh7T9ScCrQ

This is maddening to me. Trump’s ego getting in the way of winning.

This. Even Left-leaning CNN acknowledges a big victory for Vance. Which it was.

Has @timschochet ever lived outside of California?

That’s the difference between them and Fox. When Trump lost the last debate, Fox admitted it.

Great debate, refreshing and much needed. If it were a 15 round fight, I’d say Vance won it 13-2. Moderators were ridiculously bad. It’s going to be a big story. So focking sick of it honestly. These people need to be shot down. Awful.

I call that progress. I guess you can only go to the well so many times.

I didn’t catch the whole debate. Did Walz (or the Moderators) pimp the usual lies? 1. Bloodbath 2. Fine people on both sides?

Yeah, the problem with that is what the Left considers hate speech: 1. Parents protesting the trannie/grooming nonsense in their schools 2. The Hunter Biden laptop story 3. Articles promoting the lab-leak theory 4. people not wanting mask mandates or vaccinations ………. on and on and on

They are focking PIGS. I can’t hate them enough.

I agree with this.

Last I checked it was about 50/50, at least from an electoral vote standpoint. Geographically the country is overwhelmingly red. And yes, there’s a blue edge in the popular vote. The media bias nowhere near represents an evenly split country.

JFC - is it my imagination or is every focking question anti-Republican?? Good Lord.

It’s unbelievable how biased these questions are. I mean, they’re not even attempting to hide the bias.