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  1. Correct. Besides those specific areas and times, it's been shown to be ineffective as a global strategy.
  2. What I think is stupider is putting cops in charge of this. It's been shown to decrease trust, decrease their safety, and it's largely a waste of time. If we think it's that unsafe of an infraction- by all means fine them, we have ways to do that, which doesn't require a cop pull over and interaction. They are largely fishing for other things, not keeping us safe from broken turn signals that nobody uses anyway. If you all don't agree that they are largely looking for other stuff and/or being asked for quota fulfillment, I don't know what to tell you besides we might as well not talk about the issue.
  3. Yes, in specific areas and times. I agree. Most crime in a city is often focused in neighborhoods and even certain streets, blocks, and times. Some places it's so focused that 3-5% of the city accounts for 50% of the crime we are trying to crack down on. That type of policing was shown to drop crime a bit, again- in those areas and situations. Hell, even runners of those studies and experiments said not to apply that outside those zones or say, at 3pm. But all that requires and actual discussion and thinking about the stats. We can't have anything like that in 2023, so anybody even hinting at cutting anything- it's either 100% continue like this or you are pro-crime and criminal!
  4. I know, that's why we disagree here. I don't think cops should be making traffic stops for those infractions. I believe it's an overused technique (using that as an excuse to stop and look for something bigger- guns, drugs, etc) that while effective in very specific examples (high crime areas at night, for example or your example of DUI traps on New Years), it's been shown to be ineffective elsewhere. No, I don't think they are only pulling over pos Datsuns vs Mercedes, I am saying that the pos Datsun is more likely to have the issue in the first place and that lower income person is more likely to be stopped and more effected by the fine/court date than the Mercedes driver.
  5. The most important factor when choosing your cheap horse piss.
  6. Again, I agree, that is not my position. I never said to do away with bail, and even clarified later I thought it was a small part of the issue here. I hope my above post clarifies.
  7. Yes, they technically are doing that. That's not in debate either. To me the "why" is the important part, and if that should be the police role (making a minor infraction a reason for a stop and not a ticket, for example). I understand why cities continue to police this way- it's a revenue stream. I don't like government bloat, so I would like a more focused and trained force targeting actual criminals and high crime areas. That type of policing is effective in only select areas, but we largely use it as a blunt hammer. I'd like it to change, you say don't drive unless your car is 100% up to city code.
  8. I also never said anything about doing away with bail. All of you guys with this. MY bigger point and issue is about what i have been talking about. Bail is part of that, but not my biggest issue. We don't agree, thats cool. Id rather see a focus on training and targeting the specific areas and times where the most crime is happening and the dangerous criminals are. I'd like less cops, but focused trained cops. I'd love less of these dumb interactions that would greatly improve the cops' job too. But that requires saying dirty words like reallocate or defund that gets you labeled pro-criminal instead of pro-cop or regular citizens around here.
  9. Then why even bring it up responding to me? I don't even disagree with you about encounter at the side of road- not the time. We just seem to disagree about that type of policing is wrong to begin with, and I have a little more sympathy for people struggling needing a car for work. The bolded is overly simplistic and ignorant, imo.
  10. That's part of it, and I never said they got arrested for broken lights only. You guys really need to stop putting words in people's mouths. Correct, maybe a ticket. Sometimes those tickets pile up or the same person gets pulled over multiple times in a short period. People then have to deal with that, going to court, things like that. Sorry for speaking out against that type of policing and wanting it to change, maybe even understand how it could make the populace resent cops. We should just be good little citizens and take it and not ask questions, i guess. It's not stopping the crime we all want to address, and it's increasing encounters and conflicts with police that end badly.
  11. We largely have a way of policing based on ticky-tac reasons to pull people over and look for weapons, drugs, hard criminals. The lower class is more likely to have many of those reasons- broken light, whatever. They are also more impacted from the fines, missed work time, things like that. Tilted towards the lower class. I mean we joke about cops sitting around, filling quotas, etc. The cops I know also admit there is pressure to get out and hand out tickets. Where race comes in is AAs have a much higher %of them living in poverty, so things like this that have outcomes tilted to poor communities impact them more. NOT because there are evil racists in gubment trying to hold down the black folk. It's been shown to be quite effective in very specific areas that are high crime, not as a universal method of policing.
  12. I didn't use the word target, you did. I don't think there is that much intent behind it.
  13. I think crime is a problem in all cities.
  14. See my posts above. Ones I talk to are more in line with my thinking - it's a profit machine that is tilted towards the poor and that needs to be addressed and fixed. Bail is a part of that, but IMO not as much of an issue as things like overpolicing has been over the decades. I have yet to encounter Dems in real life that want violent criminals walking the streets, but it's fun for internet fodder and clicks.
  15. Where in the world did I say bail wasn't a deterrent? I don't know which is worse, that you are actually this incapable of reading posts or that your internet persona you use to troll people is somebody who can't read posts. My take: anybody who doesn't think our police and criminal system is a profit machine that benefits both sides of the aisle is a clueless ideologue that doesn't follow the trail of $ and will repeat anything they are fed.
  16. Internet tough guy, low IQ thinking at it's finest. Somebody disagrees with you about something, that means you know all about their life. No, we don't live in inner city Chicago and neither do you. You are right, I've probably not encountered as many shoplifters as you, but the business I owned had enough theft - employees and customers. For reasons from DUIs to murder, I have visited various family members in prison and seen that system in action too. I have family members who are police. None of that changes my opinion or facts around what I wrote.
  17. Yes, in all cities - even ones like Jacksonville in Red states with R mayors. War Zone is quite hyperbolic. There are still police, dinkus. It's often bad people, and I personally rarely justify violence.
  18. Geek Club response: why do you cheer on people dying in our streets??!! Combine that with a problem of overpolicing/policing for profit, and you have a bad system.
  19. BuckSwope

    Cancel Bud Light! Maga Hissy Fit!

    Have a good night, man.
  20. BuckSwope

    Dont we have a Mod??

    Kudos, you got me.
  21. BuckSwope

    Cancel Bud Light! Maga Hissy Fit!

    What? Please don't tell me you think people largely actually want to talk about politics and debate, do you? Both places are pretty much the same - 80-90% slapfighting and bring up the same crap with the same duos and groups of people and every once in awhile somebody makes a point.
  22. BuckSwope

    Cancel Bud Light! Maga Hissy Fit!

    They could, but it turns the same anyway - nobody answering anything just taking shots at the poster they hate. It's the same as the PSF, just from the other side.
  23. BuckSwope

    Dont we have a Mod??

    Pro in general, understood the initial impulse for the covid Vax, but it largely turned into political stupidity. I largely checked out when "we" were discouraging people from going outside and masking while running. Gtfo. Kids shouldn't have been mandatory, as the adults we mostly worried about had the choice of a Vax, and when that was an option, do away with the dumb mask crap. Sorry if I wrote too much in answering.
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