BuckSwope

I agree, but if the position is that it's bringing an important message to the forefront - having lunatics deliver the message is stopping the word from getting out more. If we can stop at the child trafficking and leave off the blood drinking conspiracies, more people might actually listen.

It shouldn't be hard to find people that aren't batsh1t crazy to talk about these issues though. Sheesh.

Well, at least I will give you kudos for this. It's yet another thing that I find funny about reactions like this. There's a large portion of people on the right complaining about being bombarded with social messages and politics, but really they just mean lib messages and they are frustrated that dominates the movies. They have 0 issues piling into the movies when it hits their political or religions leanings. That said, it's hard to find movies even in the olden days that don't have a social message in them.

Lol, no sh1t. Big revelations here that the media outlet have their pet agendas. Too bad you dorks can't turn some of that wisdom and insight toward your side of the media and lbgtq/crt stuff. There's a reason the left thinks black people are getting murdered by cops every second and the right thinks the lgbtq army is coming for their kids.

In his post, his hypothetical was to have ALL people with knives, so the zinger gotcha is a bit dumb. No "lib" replies in 30mins, we won!!!

This thread is gold.

In the category you brought up- murders, there is a huge range there from accidental to street gang to school shooter and others. No, I don't think all the murders we are counting are tied to mental illness. And again, often when people talk about guns and deaths its not just murder -its overall gun deaths (i understand that is not the context of this thread). Secondly, I think we would agree most of the murders would be crime/drugs/gang type murders, and I don't see how addressing mental illness largely addresses that subgroup.

You would have a better point if most of the failed attempts went on to die by suicide later. Not sure why a belief in God is required for me to care if people die or not. Thought it was the opposite and suicide lands you in hell if you believe that, so I'd expect the religious to have more of an issue with the act.

A large portion are kids- we agree they can't make decisions about permanent changes to their body. Are you suggesting they can make this decision? Most of the others are mentally unwell, so they aren't making a clear decision either. I am for legal assisted suicide for those suffering from incurable diseases, for example.

Good to know there might be 2 of you on these boards that do. To be clear, my post was about the "mental illness" solution I see from the right. I think we can agree that solution is not doing much about inner city shootings, right? Murder is also a small part of gun deaths, but largely in these discussions, the people arguing with me don't seem to care about suicides or know stats about that. So they care about mental illness, say to fix that, but don't seem to know or care about it much. It's their demographic who is one that is killing themselves at an accelerated rate - old, white, gun owners.

Nope, not at all. You guys are smart enough, just hold yourself up to the same standards as you do your opposition. Is there a reason you are quick to call them out when they focus on guns not commonly used in crime or haven't fired a gun but you can't be bothered to know facts about the things you claim are the cause? I'm not anti-gun, so sure - I agree that can stop along with calls for bans that won't happen. If you could be bothered to read my word salad, you would know I'm not anti-gun.

I am talking about the gun owners AS A GROUP, and a sentiment I largely see coming from the right side of the aisle, and used him for a recent example. I think, well thought, you were bright enough to follow the point of my post overall, but you did the usual thing of focusing on a tiny detail that I wasn't even saying, and sidestep the other stuff you could have answered.

See the above, f0ck off with this nonsense and read my posts.

You can f0ck off with that. Never once will I disparage the military or vets. I don't know why it's so hard for you to understand that I largely agree with you guys on the trans issue. Not true, I have good guesses. What I was laughing was twofold: the "allegedly" and the dumb idea that all those voters also also agree with this crap that dipsh1ts like you eat up.

I find the bolded interesting, but let's get back to that. First, I will try to remind you yet again, that largely people with your beliefs blame mental illness, but don't seem to be educated at all about it. So forgive me if I don't take you too seriously when you can't talk about the mental makeup of shooters accurately, can't tell me how that fixes anything with inner city issues, or even know basic facts about suicide and things like that. But you expect every liberal to know about guns or they shouldn't talk about it. It's bananas, man - but you are convinced it's the solution. Now mix that with people who largely hold your beliefs like HT, but then poo-poo even the notion of talking about feelings with kids. Not sure how you address mental illness without talking about feels, but I guess that reverts back to my other point about not thinking this through and just using it as a cop-out excuse. Largely, you just don't want ANYTHING brought up about guns and that's it. Now, as far as the bolded - I was thinking about this morning. Why isn't our "gun culture" something that you are interested in fixing as a group? Maybe you aren't doing it here (feel free to expand), but when I see that it's usually in the context of fixing the culture of "those" people - those inner city blacks with their hip hop music and gangsta ways. Yes, that's part of it but I look around at the larger picture and largely see a culture that likes to solve our issues with guns, has 0 problems letting kids watch 100s of people get shot up (but don't show them a boobie!!), and largely a lax attitude about acquiring and safely storing weapons. I've spent too much time in the gun threads and have seen all sorts of nonsense in people's encounters and stories - showing up at the door with a gun in their waistband for a neighbor, illegally transporting guns across lines, admitting they don't store their guns safely. If you don't think that adds to the deaths, I don't know what to tell you. You all tell the black community to fix their stuff, so I guess I find it interesting when none of the law abiding guns owners call that sh1t out in their group. I have haven't even brought up gun bans, just pointing out that you know having them gone would decrease deaths a lot, so we do agree on that. IMO there are still ways to address that through some regulations that don't involve any sort of ban, but again - I very rarely meet a gun owner in these threads interested in any of that. Because of that and what I talked above about knowing little about the solution they are suggesting with mental illness, I will stick to my belief that largely as a country we are just fine with those deaths and it's just cost of business of living here. I disagree and don't accept that.

But typically we are aren't talking about reducing death overall in the country, we are talking about crime/murder/shooting, and reducing those deaths is the goal. Yes, if we are talking reducing deaths in the country as a whole- addressing sugar intake for example is better than talking guns. If we are talking more specifically like we usually do, well you just said you understand it would reduce deaths. What you are telling me and others is that you are OK with those deaths, in the overall view of our country - you are done talking about guns.

Yes, it does. Very similar, and this is a reason I think these boycotts are largely stupid - this trickles down to a lot of people that have 0 dog in the fight. Jobs are hard enough to find and the cost of living/moving is outrageous.

Probably not, dipshit. I haven't even been here a year, have never said a word about coal mining to my knowledge and pretty sure nothing pro crime, either. Feel free to mark me down for being anti people losing their jobs over stupid sh1t. I can't speak for the rest of whoever "you guys" are, but there's my stance.

True champions of the working class. You didn't lose your job, it's just over at that other beer factory. You just have to move there and hope they are hiring!

You yourself probably shouldn't. I think the point is not all the boycotters are men, and some of you have women in the household who use those products. I think in general it's a fair question to ask why the large outcry over one but not the other overall.

Brain cells? Balls?

That is a different issue though. Places like CNN and Fox aren't terrible (talking website, not talking head opinion ). They are just selective in what they report for obvious reasons. It's just WAY harder to parse out accurate info on social media, especially when we should all understand the function of the algorithms and their time on site profit model.

Exactly. Bias doesn't overly concern me- accurate reporting does. Bias is expected and can be looked out for. Imo what largely happened on the right is as a reaction to left bias, they run to biased AND inaccurate reporting. There need to be more right leaning reliable outlets. The reaction to npr and nyt shouldn't be OAN and Newsmax.

Yeah, but this one is more interesting than the others. Too bad they don't understand the barrage of other bs makes people tune out to this stuff too. This is the stuff that is f0cked up. We struggle to help vets know, but we should provide this elective procedure? Nah. Maybe you could debate a provision for help upon completion of service, but even then we ready seem to not take care of soldiers non-elective needs. That's a hard sell.