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She didn't blame racism, she simply threw it in there. You see, as a tactic, you throw in and any criticism is more muted. Not my rules.....

I was referring to the impeachment element.....

I am sorta on Roberts side on this one. I get that activist judges are a problem. I also allow that some rando judge should never have the ability to impede the Presidents execution of his duties. But right now the Democrats are impotent. So the only way to do much, which in reality is just delaying....is to abuse the court system. We should not forget that roughly half of those who voted, did not vote for Trump. And since the Democrats are currently inept, what other options are there for the radical elements who want to ruin this nation? Abusing the court system is pretty much their only play.

Doesn't matter. Who is losing? Time to shift gears. Stop doing things that are losing propositions.

Last year......last month.......last week....focking last page...... but see, it doesnt matter......who does it....is it working? is it hurting? This entire thread is premised on the notion that the Democrats face a dilemma from using the strategy. Whether Republicans do it....benefit from it.....are hurt by it....DOES NOT FOCKING MATTER Its currently the Democrats who are being punished by it. But, cannot really shift from it, I mean they could but they would lose most of what is left of their base.

I have already established that I accept both sides do it, have done it. My positions>.......REMAINS......pay the fock attention now......the strategy is hurting the democrats and nothelping them,,,,,so....if something is hurting you and not helping you.....wanna venture a guess as to what you should maybe DO??

The point, made over and over here.... is that the strategy being used by the Democrats to vilify their opponents did not work. They lost, alot. So here they are, having lost, and forced to sustain that strategy because failure to do so results in an internal clap back from the radicals. If they do not sustain the strategy that was integral to them losing, their support base....what is left of it.....revolts Now feel free to do the "BUT REPUUUUUUBLICAAANNNNSSS".....all you want, what they are doing is clearly working.

There is what is politically useful, and then there is what is right. The two rarely coincide. So, if you are executing a political strategy, and it causes you harm... you might want to change that strategy.

I understand that liberals find it difficult to accept constructive criticism, and I sorta expected the response provided. You should want the Democrat position to improve. I suggest it will not happen if the party sustains the approach which has resulted in the current state. Its really not that complex.

Who is winning? Think about it.

So.....iam90sbaby is your "proof" then, well, then I guess you have it all figured out chief, and very soon people will start supporting Democrats again.

If you have some time, please have a look at this, I these guys do a good job explaining this....

Correct. It passed, as well it should have. Had Harris won, it would have also passed...but it would have been Republicans threatening the shutdown..... But, republicans would not have faced the same internal strife...I imagine there would have been some, but not to the level we see with Democrats. They needed to fight against their own CR, but could not. They have deprived themselves of political options through their pointless lying about Trump. Its time to stop it. They lost the election cycle, the entire vilification tactic failed. I suggest they try something else.

I see no issue in opposing tariffs, I think that one is likely OK strategically....it overlooks how beneficial it will be for use domestically, buy I cannot fault the move to oppose. I think Democrats care about the border though. I think they might not like the way Trump is doing it, anymore than Republicans like the way Democrats did it. But I think everyone can get behind a secure border. Imagine if instead o simply opposing they asked to meet and sort out some options. NOW... people see Democrats on board with a big issue for which they can steal back some support. And honestly, ending boys playing in girls sports is such an easy win, c'mon.....

I always give more, its my thing

I disagree. By way of example..... when the Democrats created a CR last fall that suddenly is decried as damaging today, because they want to ding Trump where ever possible......and they cannot do that simple thing because it is seen as working with Trump, and supporting the CR is being assailed because hey....you worked with the guy you have been saying is this big threat....and its dividing the party.....I think the vilification strategy is not working and is actually hurting you more than helping.

I might tend to disagree. Holding firm and fast to positions that the people do not want is not a winning strategy. Notably when Democrats actually do agree, but only oppose now because Trump took it away.

Your position is that "both sides do it" and my point is .....so what....who is being hurt by doing it......the Democrats are....now I have explained why this is true.....multiple times....but people continue to defend it.....by saying...well ...those guys do it too!!! See, what you are doing then is also asserting that Trump....can now do after his political opponents.....because Demorats do it too!!!! But I do not concede that just because THEY are doing it .....we can too.... I mean, if that is your thing....by all means... BUT......if "yourthing".....manifests is lost elections.....and poor polling.....maybe stop copying them?

Perfect. I already had that one, but glad you flagged it. NOW.....the next part. Correlate HIS usage.....to failing during the elections, AND...polling showing that the party is failing.... There are a few more steps to get you there, but you are on the right track now....

I do not concur with this specific instance in how it is being presented. Now, if you would be so kind as to present evidence that someone in the Republican party or right-leaning media has taken this same topic and used it to suggest that Democrats are Hitler or authoritarian, or fascist......or promoting a civil war.....or any one of the array of other things that would then mean we should never work with Democrats I think your position would have more merit

I avoided nothing, if you present your thoughts clearly they can be answered, I have no doubt that people on social media sent her nasty things, since that happens every day.....to everyone.....it makes sense that it would happen to her..... I think trotting out the racism angle is smart, because historically it has been used to great impact to dilute culpability.

I get what you are saying here. Maybe consider this, there is such a small segment of support available for the party when the party latches on to specialized positions that it inhibits their ability to secure spots in congress and the white house. You simply cannot allow Trump to have uncontested ownership of every 80% issue.

Thank you for this thoughtful response. I think Democrats should start positioning for a post-Trump political environment. Consider that if they are not simply opposing Trump.....what do they have? I think they need to discover that is and start working toward it. Even if that work happens to result in them having some small or temporary agreement with Trump. JMHO

Presented to her?